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#1 chikenfriedrice
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

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#2 TheOldOlder
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hard copies = Win for me
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#3 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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There's something about instant streaming 1080p movies that really bothers me. Like, it's too good to be true.
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#4 Zoso-8
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I'm just waiting for MS to raise the monthly fee of XBL for the new features.
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#5 lbjkurono23
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I want to own hard copys so yeah I'm a use it but at the end of the day I''l buy them on blu ray
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#6 -Traveller-
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Ifr it works like they say. Cool. We all know that Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere and is an undeniable advantage for gaming (not talking this gen).

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hard copies = Win for meTheOldOlder

i'll still down with Bluray I was half jokin but if they pull this off I'll be impressed

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There's something about instant streaming 1080p movies that really bothers me. Like, it's too good to be true.siLVURcross

that's what I thought when I heard it

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#9 death919
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My dad almost beat me last month because our bandwith limit is 60GB/month and me coming home from college and I used 92GB of bandwith in about 15 days. Yeah, I appreciate what they're doing, but I'll stick to renting BluRays for my safety. :)
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#10 Bluray001
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice
Instant streaming 1080p movies from a 480i source with poor video and audio quality? No thanks.
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#11 Chutebox
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I seriously doubt it's going to be the same quality as BD copies lol.

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#12 chikenfriedrice
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I seriously doubt it's going to be the same quality as BD copies lol.

Chutebox

that's what they are claiming though right?

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#13 Dilrod
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

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Instant streaming 1080p movies from a 480i source with poor video and audio quality? No thanks.

Exactly.. and the fact that some people have monthly cap limits on downloads, plus less than 50% of people have high speed = fail. Hard copies win.
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#14 Bluray001
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I seriously doubt it's going to be the same quality as BD copies lol.

that's what they are claiming though right?

No. All they claimed was 1080p, which is just a resolution. It's pretty clear it's going to be poor quality 1080p with low bitrates.
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#15 xxgunslingerxx
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something has to be compressed and quality will be lower

and regardless ur going to end up going over ur bandwith limit after watching 3 movies

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#16 KratosTwin
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If it works the way they say it will that is impressive, but Blu-ray will still be better and will not be replaced anytime soon. Also I wonder what the audio will be like on these movies. I doubt you will get HD lossless audio from it like you do on blu-ray.

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#17 death919
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[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I seriously doubt it's going to be the same quality as BD copies lol.

that's what they are claiming though right?

No. All they claimed was 1080p, which is just a resolution. It's pretty clear it's going to be poor quality 1080p with low bitrates.

I don't understand this stuff since I don't know alot about the technicals but how can one 1080p look different from another 1080p? I don't understand "higher quality 1080p"
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[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

that's what they are claiming though right?

death919

No. All they claimed was 1080p, which is just a resolution. It's pretty clear it's going to be poor quality 1080p with low bitrates.

I don't understand this stuff since I don't know alot about the technicals but how can one 1080p look different from another 1080p? I don't understand "higher quality 1080p"

me too

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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice
lol the irony here is epic. MOVIES..get it....blue-ray? Well anyways it's still needed, games are only getting bigger and the digital download won't be taking over anytime soon, just look at a game like ff13 it'll probably be in 3 to 4 disk on 360 wjile only one on ps3, well as long as square makes it a long game lol
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#20 jdt532
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Heavily compressed "1080p" streams or a high quality BR movie? I'll take the latter. Plus physical copy > downloads for me.
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#21 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

that's what they are claiming though right?

death919

No. All they claimed was 1080p, which is just a resolution. It's pretty clear it's going to be poor quality 1080p with low bitrates.

I don't understand this stuff since I don't know alot about the technicals but how can one 1080p look different from another 1080p? I don't understand "higher quality 1080p"

Just like there are copies of BD movies that look much better than other movies. There is no way they can stream a 1080p movie without compression that stacks up against hard copies of BD that are usually 25-50GB.

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#22 Asim90
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Who needs Bluray:

People that like physical copies
People that don't have any internet connection
People that don't have a ridiculously fast internet connection
People that like taking films on the go with them
People that like watching special features

I could go on. Theres no doubt this is a good service, but in no way is it a replacement for Bluray. Also, I imagine an extremely fast internet connection will be required for this.

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#23 edo-tensei
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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

lol the irony here is epic. MOVIES..get it....blue-ray? Well anyways it's still needed, games are only getting bigger and the digital download won't be taking over anytime soon, just look at a game like ff13 it'll probably be in 3 to 4 disk on 360 wjile only one on ps3, well as long as square makes it a long game lol

plus must 360 owners only have 20 gigs sets unless ofcourse ms is just planning an overpriced rental service, then you might as well just keep using red box or ewatching regular tv(most poeple canrecords tv programs already)
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#24 Bluray001
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1080p is just a resolution. It means that the video is 1900x1080 pixels. Bitrate is about the amount of detail that goes into encoding the video. The bigger the bitrate, the better the video will look. But with bigger bitrates, you end up with a bigger file, which is why Blu-ray discs are 50GBs big. When you stream a 1080p video, you need to keep the bitrate down at a low level so that you can stream the video smoothly. This means while the video itself is 1900x1080 pixels big, the actual bitrate is low which means the picture will have poor video quality. These video qualitity flaws are actually magnified because it is a 1080p video, whereas a 480p video would actually "look" better since the resolution is smaller and would mask the imperfections in the video. That's just video... we havent' even started talking about audio yet.
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#25 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="Bluray001"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

Instant streaming 1080p movies from a 480i source with poor video and audio quality? No thanks.

Yeah because as history has shown the source tech, won't improve. This is the major competition for blu ray in the future and the reason MS didn't include HD DvD in the 360. People complained about changing discs for MGS 4 on 360, but in the future a disc won't even be needed, period. Human beings historicallly have gone out of there way to make life plusher and less work. It seems inevitable that DD will be the norm. And I like hard copies also, but ask yourself, do you have a hard copy of every song on your ipod, zune, mp3?
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#26 platinumxofhell
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1080p stream =/= blu-ray

Blu-Ray has superior quality video and sound. The online streams don't use lossless audio codecs, do your stuck with Dobly Digital :|??

As a home theater freak I will not use this but instead continue to buy Blu-rays.

This maybe also good for most consumers that can't afford a Blu-ray player and/or movie

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hard copies = Win for meTheOldOlder
Paying $20.00 for a movie I will look at once is a lost for me.
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#28 xscott1018
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i'm going to keep blu-ray because i don't have any services (netflix), it takes to long to watch things in HD. things here, youtube take to long to stream if it's in high def. i'm going to get a ps3 for blu-ray.
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Think of it this way. Blu-ray = Watching Transformers in an iMax movie theater. 1080p stream = Watching Bootleg Transformers taken by some guy with a video camera
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#30 edo-tensei
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Who needs Bluray:

People that like physical copies
People that don't have any internet connection
People that don't have a ridiculously fast internet connection
People that like taking films on the go with them
People that like watching special features

I could go on. Theres no doubt this is a good service, but in no way is it a replacement for Bluray. Also, I imagine an extremely fast internet connection will be required for this.

Asim90

agreed but they just need to lower the damn price

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#31 black_child
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[QUOTE="death919"][QUOTE="Bluray001"] No. All they claimed was 1080p, which is just a resolution. It's pretty clear it's going to be poor quality 1080p with low bitrates.chikenfriedrice

I don't understand this stuff since I don't know alot about the technicals but how can one 1080p look different from another 1080p? I don't understand "higher quality 1080p"

me too

look at old 1080 p TV's and new one's they're on another level now.

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#32 cainetao11
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I'm not saying this is going to be the standard in 6 months, but as the tech quality increases it will become the standard. People are lazy it's a fact. No changing disc in a portable music player? Awesome! Sure, in the future people will still want to eject discs for movies and games.
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice
Sorry but its false. The only way to get true 1080p output is through a Blu-Ray Player with a Blu-Ray disc and a HDMI or Component cable no longer than 6 meters.
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice
1. Whos the chick in your tag. 2. I have 55 mb/s Comcast and coulnd't get stream of the press conference to stop buffering. Buffering=\=instant
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Think of it this way. Blu-ray = Watching Transformers in an iMax movie theater. 1080p stream = Watching Bootleg Transformers taken by some guy with a video cameraBluray001
Nothing personal, but from your screen name and the way you are shooting this down, do you have a stake in Blu ray? Sony? I agree with the current tech Blu ray is a better experience now. But as technology evolves, as it constantly does, you really think people won't opt for theasier less work of no discs? I like hard copies mostly because I dig the cases and art work. But with humanity's history of laziness DD seems like the inevitable norm.
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#36 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

Sorry but its false. The only way to get true 1080p output is through a Blu-Ray Player with a Blu-Ray disc and a HDMI or Component cable no longer than 6 meters.

And that will never change? Tech doesn't evolve? Please. Blu Ray has seen it's future competition in DD.
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#37 Bluray001
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[QUOTE="Bluray001"]Think of it this way. Blu-ray = Watching Transformers in an iMax movie theater. 1080p stream = Watching Bootleg Transformers taken by some guy with a video cameracainetao11
Nothing personal, but from your screen name and the way you are shooting this down, do you have a stake in Blu ray? Sony? I agree with the current tech Blu ray is a better experience now. But as technology evolves, as it constantly does, you really think people won't opt for theasier less work of no discs? I like hard copies mostly because I dig the cases and art work. But with humanity's history of laziness DD seems like the inevitable norm.

Digital Distribution isn't easier... It's actually very difficult. It includes configuring IP addresses, opening ports, etc.... vs popping a disc into a player and pressing play. Then there's the buffering issue and internet speed variables.
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[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Bluray001"]Think of it this way. Blu-ray = Watching Transformers in an iMax movie theater. 1080p stream = Watching Bootleg Transformers taken by some guy with a video cameraBluray001
Nothing personal, but from your screen name and the way you are shooting this down, do you have a stake in Blu ray? Sony? I agree with the current tech Blu ray is a better experience now. But as technology evolves, as it constantly does, you really think people won't opt for theasier less work of no discs? I like hard copies mostly because I dig the cases and art work. But with humanity's history of laziness DD seems like the inevitable norm.

Digital Distribution isn't easier... It's actually very difficult. It includes configuring IP addresses, opening ports, etc.... vs popping a disc into a player and pressing play. Then there's the buffering issue and internet speed variables.

And as I stated do you really think in the time to come these difficulties won't be streamlined or eliminated for the user? Come on, it's the obvious future of home entertainment. The tech requirements will be improved as all tech improves. Blu ray as DVD as the CD will dwindle in usage in the future. It will have it's users loving it as Vinyl still does. But for mainstream, it's where we're heading.
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How much will one movie cost? Not cheap, I'll bet.
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streaming 1080p = fail. you would have to have a superfast connection, and it still wouldn't look as good as the file in its full, uncompressed format.
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My internet plan has a 40GB/month bandwidth limit. No thanks.

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hard copies = Win for meTheOldOlder

I feel the same way. I won't get the PSP Go since I love me hard copeez.

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[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

Sorry but its false. The only way to get true 1080p output is through a Blu-Ray Player with a Blu-Ray disc and a HDMI or Component cable no longer than 6 meters.

And that will never change? Tech doesn't evolve? Please. Blu Ray has seen it's future competition in DD.

DD is alot diferent that streaming.
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I have said it since HD DVD and Blu-ray were introduced. Movies on disk will be obsolete in 3-4 years.

kuu2
Agreed. And I love hard copies to. But it's the art work, not the plastic disc. As I said before, if you need hard copies, do you have a hard copy of all the music on your ipod, zune, mp3?
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice
The Xbox 360 has a limited amount of space, you know?
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[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Sorry but its false. The only way to get true 1080p output is through a Blu-Ray Player with a Blu-Ray disc and a HDMI or Component cable no longer than 6 meters.djsifer01
And that will never change? Tech doesn't evolve? Please. Blu Ray has seen it's future competition in DD.

DD is alot diferent that streaming.

Sorry, my typo. Still think discs, movies music, and games are going by by.
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#48 Timstuff
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice

Downloadable and streaming movies are for suckers since they're pretty much pure DRM. People who collect movies, like me, will never give up our discs.

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#49 CannedWorms
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[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

jakehouston88
The Xbox 360 has a limited amount of space, you know?

What?:? Thats why it's called "streaming".
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#50 psychobrew
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Instant streaming 1080P movies? exsqueeze me? thats a winner right there

chikenfriedrice

Definitely. I never watch the same move twice anyway so owning it isa waste.