Whoa, Mass Effect 1 Hasn't Aged Well

.....I see no differerence.dreman999

Well I see a huge difference.

Just like I saw a difference in the gif file.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

ME suffers from the same issues if you bothered to play it. I have noticed waaaay more low res janky textures in the first ME compared to the second.

Hakkai007

I am talking about main Characters though.

I notices more horrible textures in ME2.

Like this level.

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I am talking about main Characters though.

sure, thats why you posted that batarian pic as well.

I notices more horrible textures in ME2.

Like this level.

So you are saying that the entire game looks like that? Even on my 2 playthroughs I have never noticed anything like that. That ground texture looks nice and crisp thoe, because thats actually what the majoirty of the level actually looks like.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I think you are the one who is wrong here, I have seen both, the Ultra textures do not make any improvement. the difference is so minor, that its completely worthless.

Hakkai007

Yah because a small gif file is going to show the differences....

I already see a good difference even with the small gif.

Consoles versions were much uglier. Especially since I could alter the config file of ME1.

I did that too for ME 2 because it had ugly shadows.

I don't have a comparison of ME1 but here is ME2 Xbox 360 vs PC.

I don't think I should bother arguing with you if you are going to being up the config file. Obviously the game is going to look better on a technical standpoint if you tinker the graphics config. I do believe that the console version looks worse then the PC version. Like I said thoe, the difference is so minor...that its really not worth bragging about.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

.....I see no differerence.Hakkai007

Well I see a huge difference.

Just like I saw a difference in the gif file.

I can't see any difference either. Only that one pic has film grain and thats it.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

.....I see no differerence.

Well I see a huge difference.

Just like I saw a difference in the gif file.

They are veurtally the same, explain.dreman999

Textures are better. Colors are better, shadows are much higher res, much more crisp and smooth, less blurry, less flat looking.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]They are veurtally the same, explain.Hakkai007

Textures are better. Colors are better, shadows are much higher res, much more crisp and smooth, less blurry, less flat looking.

I don't see any of this. Its also insanely hard to compare when both pics are completely different.

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

.....I see no differerence.JangoWuzHere

Well I see a huge difference.

Just like I saw a difference in the gif file.

I can't see any difference either. Only that one pic has film grain and thats it.

I can even point out the differences in a bad small gif file and that is from far away....imagine closer up views of the textures.

If I reinstall the game I guaranteeyou that I could show you the differences from high to ultra high.

Though consolites will act like there is no difference then later compare the difference of 460 vs PS3 like they make a world's difference......hypocrites.

Anyone who says there is no difference better not make a single post about comparing a 360 to PS3 multiplat.

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after replaying mass effect 2 I decided to go back and play through the first game again and whoa, there is a massive dfference between the two games. I didnt realize how much of a jump ME2 was, especially in the graphics and combat. ME1 is very ugly nowadays, but one thing I do prefer is the more in-depth PRG elements that ME2 dumbed down. To think a few years ago this game was cutting-edge tech, now its just...meh

black_chamber99

Looks great on the pc.. I recently played it again a few months back.. Both games were maxed out.. I honestly don't see a serious difference between the two except that ME1's environments are more sterile/empty in many areas.sSubZerOo

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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well I see a huge difference.

Just like I saw a difference in the gif file.

I can't see any difference either. Only that one pic has film grain and thats it.

I can even point out the differences in a bad small gif file and that is from far away....imagine closer up views of the textures.

If I reinstall the game I guaranteeyou that I could show you the differences from high to ultra high.

Though consolites will act like there is no difference then later compare the difference of 460 vs PS3 like they make a world's difference......hypocrites.

Anyone who says there is no difference better not make a single post about comparing a 360 to PS3 multiplat.

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1. How was the xbox version taken? 2. The xbox version is just more pixalated. Very minor.dreman999

I got the Xbox version from a website that was used as a comparison.

I notice the difference by a lot but that is probably because I played both versions. One on my friend's Xbox 360 and the other on my PC.

I have compared both versions side by side on two of the same monitors and I notice a bit of a difference.

Although I am not going to run out to purchased a 400USD capture card to prove to some stranger that I am right.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]1. How was the xbox version taken? 2. The xbox version is just more pixalated. Very minor.Hakkai007

I got the Xbox version from a website that was used as a comparison.

I notice the difference by a lot but that is probably because I played both versions. One on my friend's Xbox 360 and the other on my PC.

I have compared both versions side by side on two of the same monitors and I notice a bit of a difference.

Although I am not going to run out to purchased a 400USD capture card to prove to some stranger that I am right.

1.Difference had to take acount pixals in motion. 2. Base on pixals in motion quality of shadows and textures can change. Plus, Xbox max in 720p. PC generally will look better. But never one of the 2 ugly. Still never really and greatcomparison unless theirs a clear digital sorce. Most Internet Photos are from pc version because of that.dreman999

The problem is more with people not wanting to spend hundreds on a capture card.

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

[QUOTE="dreman999"]1.Difference had to take acount pixals in motion. 2. Base on pixals in motion quality of shadows and textures can change. Plus, Xbox max in 720p. PC generally will look better. But never one of the 2 ugly. Still never really and greatcomparison unless theirs a clear digital sorce. Most Internet Photos are from pc version because of that.Hakkai007

The problem is more with people not wanting to spend hundreds on a capture card.

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

dreman999

I never trust those comparison sites to do a good job with PC screens.

My screenshots of the PC game always looks better than their's

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

I never trust those comparison sites to do a good job with PC screens.

My screenshots of the PC game always looks better than their's

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

Hakkai007

I never trust those comparison sites to do a good job with PC screens.

My screenshots of the PC game always looks better than their's

You can't set the texture setting in Mass Effect 2. You are really just grasping at straws at this point.

I replayed it about a month ago and I still had alot of fun with it

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

Hakkai007

I never trust those comparison sites to do a good job with PC screens.

My screenshots of the PC game always looks better than their's

How do you mess up on the pc side of the comparison? Just faps it. It's digital to digital. And from what is show the 2 versions are the same.dreman999

For starters they take it at lower res. Also those videos have horrible compression and are no where near the true quality of the game.

Resolution makes a huge difference too although consolites won't admit it until the next generation when they can experience higher resolutions.

They did that last gen by saying higher resolution don't make a difference and then they go from 480P to 720P and made a huge deal out of it. They even get mad at games for being less than 720P.

Also the PC version is much much smoother with 16xQCSAA.

If I bring in config modifications then the difference is even larger.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]How do you mess up on the pc side of the comparison? Just faps it. It's digital to digital. And from what is show the 2 versions are the same.Hakkai007

For starters they take it at lower res. Also those videos have horrible compression and are no where near the true quality of the game.

Resolution makes a huge difference too although consolites won't admit it until the next generation when they can experience higher resolutions.

They did that last gen by saying higher resolution don't make a difference and then they go from 480P to 720P and made a huge deal out of it. They even get mad at games for being less than 720P.

Also the PC version is much much smoother with 16xQCSAA.

If I bring in config modifications then the difference is even larger.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]How do you mess up on the pc side of the comparison? Just faps it. It's digital to digital. And from what is show the 2 versions are the same.Hakkai007

For starters they take it at lower res. Also those videos have horrible compression and are no where near the true quality of the game.

Resolution makes a huge difference too although consolites won't admit it until the next generation when they can experience higher resolutions.

They did that last gen by saying higher resolution don't make a difference and then they go from 480P to 720P and made a huge deal out of it. They even get mad at games for being less than 720P.

Also the PC version is much much smoother with 16xQCSAA.

If I bring in config modifications then the difference is even larger.

Again, grasping at straws like I said. In About every single PC game you can adjust AA,AF, and Res. That still doesn't make the textures or lighting any better in Mass Effect 2.

[QUOTE="dreman999"]How do you mess up on the pc side of the comparison? Just faps it. It's digital to digital. And from what is show the 2 versions are the same.Hakkai007

For starters they take it at lower res. Also those videos have horrible compression and are no where near the true quality of the game.

Resolution makes a huge difference too although consolites won't admit it until the next generation when they can experience higher resolutions.

They did that last gen by saying higher resolution don't make a difference and then they go from 480P to 720P and made a huge deal out of it. They even get mad at games for being less than 720P.

Also the PC version is much much smoother with 16xQCSAA.

If I bring in config modifications then the difference is even larger.

I still think ME 1 is better than the second.

Again, grasping at straws like I said. In About every single PC game you can adjust AA,AF, and Res. That still doesn't make the textures or lighting any better in Mass Effect 2.

JangoWuzHere

I am not grapsing at straws that is you....

You have no clue that a compressed video looks nothing like the actual game. You can't get quality out of a video that is compressed to almost 100x less the size of the regular uncompressed footage.

Resolution AA+AF makes a huge difference especially in motion.

You don't see flicker jagged edges cover the screen. And it doesn't look like there is vaselinespread across the monitor.

I can't stand games with jagged edges it looks horrible.

Also you can edit the config to have higher res shadows and better lighting.

The original game has a horrible contrast filter which I lessened under the shader file folder because it made the game way too dark and black.

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There is definitely a bit of a difference between the console and PC version.

But I am going to stop arguing because consolites will never see these and will continue to be hypocrites next gen when their consoles get the abilities us Hermits have now.

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Did you play it on the 360? Because it is understandable that you think that if you did.

Their are SNES games that have aged well and you are telling me that you cannot even appreciate a game that is only 3 years old? This is becoming sad.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Looks great on the pc.. I recently played it again a few months back.. Both games were maxed out.. I honestly don't see a serious difference between the two except that ME1's environments are more sterile/empty in many areas.GeneralShowzer

i definitely agree with this...while i think me2 did the "cinematography" better than me1...i think not only did it add to the immersion...it did alot to hide the ugly textures on the character models...me1 had much better textures and while it wasnt as shiny...it was a lot better technically...and i played both maxed on pc...i dont count the 360 versions for graphics...

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Again, grasping at straws like I said. In About every single PC game you can adjust AA,AF, and Res. That still doesn't make the textures or lighting any better in Mass Effect 2.

Hakkai007

I am not grapsing at straws that is you....

You have no clue that a compressed video looks nothing like the actually game. You an get quality out of a video that is compressed to almost 100x less the size of the regular uncompressed footage.

Resolution AA=AF makes a huge difference especially in motions.

You don't see flicker jagged edges cover the screen. And it doesn't look like there is vaselinespread across the monitor.

I can't stand games with jagged edges it looks horrible.

Also you can edit the config to have higher res shadows and better lighting.

The original game has a horrible contrast filter which I lessened under the shader file folder because it made the game way too dark and black.

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There is definitely a bit of a difference between the console and PC version.

But I am going to stop arguing because consolites will never see these and will continue to be hypocrites next gen when their consoles get the abilities us Hermits have now.

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Frankly I'm happy about it. The more optimization they do towards consoles bettering the graphics on limited hardware the better the future of PC games will be. I've gone through the (far too long) period where they tried to brute force everything where you'd have a huge graphics leap that required hardware that just wasn't going to be there for six moths or a year and it was just ridiculous. When they get things to work within the really tight confines of consoles we will see much better games on PC in the future (graphically at least). I mean if it wasn't for consoles we would never have texture streaming and other things to optimize what we have on PC and we'd basically be 2,3 4 etc years behind because no one bothered to optimize anything.

ME1 is very ugly nowadays

black_chamber99

I disagree - this cinematic says differently.

If you were correct, then the cinematics would be ugly as well, since all of them were in-engine graphics.:o

I've run ME1 on a 7-Series, 9-Series, and a 200-Series nVidia, and it looked great on all three GPUs.

[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

ME1 is very ugly nowadays

topsemag55

I disagree - this cinematic says differently.

If you were correct, then the cinematics would be ugly as well, since all of them were in-engine graphics.:o

I've run ME1 on a 7-Series, 9-Series, and a 200-Series nVidia, and it looked great on all three GPUs.

haha...wrex's armour looks better in that cinematic than most armours from the main npc's in me2 on pc lol...so i guess that does make me1 ugly...good high res textures not covered up by blur and bloom...ugly....ewww

ME aged well IMO, it`s still a game with minor flaws but interesting, particularly the environments like Ilos ,Virmire, or the Citadel.

The 360 version of ME2 looked great, one of the best looking games on the 360 I had a chance to see. The PC version was even heavily manipulated via control panel a minor improvment, and was usually a fail in any fast animated sequence exept in cut scenes.

The Unreal engine shines usually on the 360.

The video here however :

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd as posted above by someone , is close to the reality of the PC port, with a few minor things like the fact that it`s suffering heavy input lag, from a monitor or a peripherial .

ME 2 performance improvement can not be seen as a product of work or optimization. Deleting over 50 phisicaly present planets , from which over 25 are full worlds , cutting the ME Citadel in half and creating the Zakera Wards + Illium out of it will certanly improve performance.

Every mission gets unloaded via press F to exit, so it has no impact on performance at all , and the paths to the missions like the cab ride, and the vistas are cinematics, so thats the actual performance improvement. Actual gameplay vs Cinematics.

Deleting Shepard together with the crew and the Normandy would improve the performance even more. :idea:

The elevators with party banter are the Illusive mans back now, EDI , and press F+ teleport out of the combat cell. So the game became more accessible for those that wanted that, less gameplay, less chore.

The MAKO wouldn`t be such a disaster if someone made the planets drivable, and the combat zones less copy / paste.

The view to the Dantius towers is there to impress, something that I see as a mask to hide the fact that I will never set foot in

any of these , because the entire mission is already laid out for me. Enter - combat- cut scene- press F to exit.

Incorrect!

ME2 looks and plays better but it doesnt come close to ME1 when it comes to story and sound.

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

Ilikemyname420

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Looks better than that on my PC.

mitu123

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="50u1r34v3r"]

Man, at least wait until a gen has passed before you start saying a game hasn't aged well. :?

ME1 looks perfectly fine to me and I play the 360 version.

spookykid143

I don't know about Oblivion because I haven't played the game but I play games for their story and gameplay, not because they look amazing.

Sure having great graphics usually help with the immersion but they're almost never a deciding factor for me.

It's more than okay for me.

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

For the PC versus 360 debate I'll just leave this here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-2-xbox-360-vs-pc-comparison?size=hd

mitu123

▲ Mass Effect IS fine wine. I would know, trust me. ▲