Whoever says that graphics dont matter is a fanboy.

After playing on a high end gaming PC for more than 3 months now i officially dissaprove of anybody who says that graphics dont matter.I mean they MATTER.While playing gears i would honestly stop to just look at the textures and i will find different angles to see those textures.There is nothing like playing HL2 with 16x AA with every distant texture being super clear.Crysis would NOT be one of my favourite FPS of all time if it did not have THIS good graphics.Sure it will still be a good game but not this good.

I am sorry but graphics matter ALOT.For whoever disagrees has probably never seen good graphics by today's standards and i dont mean that you just played a ps3 or 360 or high end PC on a friends house but you have to experience in for hours to really appreciate these things.I'll put it this way.

Good game with good graphics>>>>>>>>>>>good game with average graphics>>>>>>>>>>>Average game with good graphics>>>Average game with average graphics.

Actually, the fanboys are the people who continuously, time after time after time, make the ignorant claim that anyone has ever said "graphics don't matter". Especially considering all anybody is saying is that gameplay and fun and controls are all more important...which is true.

Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Supafly1

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

what about a bad game with great graphics?? *cough LAIR cough*legend26

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.blue_hazy_basic

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

what about a game with amazing graphics and amazing gameplay? *cough Mass effect, Super mario galaxy cough*

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

I used to be a PC gamer with similar opinions to yours. However, my tastes changed and graphics are now at the bottom of the list in regards to importance for me.

Now, if I could get the best graphics for free in terms of both money and hassle, then what's the harm? However, that hardware costs extra money (console prices, console game prices) and/or hassle (PC hardware/software).

Whether the bump in technical specs is worth the trade-off is very much a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE="legend26"]what about a bad game with great graphics?? *cough LAIR cough*Thinker_145

Graphics most definitely matter, but they aren't a huge factor.

I'd take good gameplay over amazing graphics anyday.

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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Sonick54

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

what about a game with amazing graphics and amazing gameplay? *cough Mass effect, Super mario galaxy cough*

Graphics don't matter.

Artstyle does. :wink:

I still enjoy looking at the colorful graphics of the SNES especailly LttP and SMW. :P

Graphics don't matter.

Artstyle does. :wink:

I still enjoy looking at the colorful graphics of the SNES especailly LttP and SMW. :P

magiciandude

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.blue_hazy_basic

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

And physics add trememdosly to the "fun factor".Go play crysis.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.blue_hazy_basic

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

And physics add trememdosly to the "fun factor".Go play crysis.

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

SgtWhiskeyjack

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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.JPOBS

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

Thinker_145

Gasp!

I just loaded that up (again) a couple of months ago. Brilliant game, really.

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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

And physics add trememdosly to the "fun factor".Go play crysis.

You made a thread titled "Whoever says that graphics dont matter is a fanboy". Now you are acting like they don't matter that much, they are nice to have.

Nobody has ever made the arguement that graphics are completely pointless, irrlevant and simply don't matter. Simply that they are the cherry on top of the ice cream. The cherry isn't the point...it's the ice cream. The cherry is a bonus but it isn't going to make up for crappy ice cream. The ice cream has to be good to begin with.

Your arguement is essentially saying the cherry is the most important and that ice cream without a cherry on top is inferior.

Seems like you are now contradicting yourself and tripping over your own lack of logic. Graphics matter only AFTER gameplay, control and fun are in place. That is why games can be great without having good graphics, and why games can have good graphics and suck.

how about a test then.

show hands here that heard anyone go into a store wether it was adults/kids what ever here them say awesome look at the gameplay of this game.

now show hands if you heard anyone say awesome look at the graphics.

look at soul reaver one awesome story graphics ok gameplay but yet it was one of my faverate games.

graphics is what drives this industry along.

show hands if you still be gaming if they were still looking like nes games with better and better gameplay each gen.

not me.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.mattbbpl

I used to be a PC gamer with similar opinions to yours. However, my tastes changed and graphics are now at the bottom of the list in regards to importance for me.

Now, if I could get the best graphics for free in terms of both money and hassle, then what's the harm? However, that hardware costs extra money (console prices, console game prices) and/or hassle (PC hardware/software).

Whether the bump in technical specs is worth the trade-off is very much a matter of opinion.

how about a test then.

show hands here that heard anyone go into a store wether it was adults/kids what ever here them say awesome look at the gameplay of this game.

now show hands if you heard anyone say awesome look at the graphics.

look at soul reaver one awesome story graphics ok gameplay but yet it was one of my faverate games.

graphics is what drives this industry along.

show hands if you still be gaming if they were still looking like nes games with better and better gameplay each gen.

not me.

GARRYTH

I would. Looking at the sales of the PS2, the Wii, and the DS, I'd be led to believe that the graphics **** are a minority.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="legend26"]what about a bad game with great graphics?? *cough LAIR cough*legend26

Graphics most definitely matter, but they aren't a huge factor.

I'd take good gameplay over amazing graphics anyday.

tbone29

[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

Well, actually I'm just dissaproving that statement that graphics matter a lot. They matter but not a lot for me since I'm still playing older games and the graphics do not bother me as much. What bothers me though are newer games on low settings. That's where I start to get annoyed because when I see that textures are like mud then I'm seriously not very happy about it.

Difference between liking good graphics (like everyone does) and being a graphics whore (thinking if the texture sucks then the game sucks).Gimli524

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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.Thinker_145

I used to be a PC gamer with similar opinions to yours. However, my tastes changed and graphics are now at the bottom of the list in regards to importance for me.

Now, if I could get the best graphics for free in terms of both money and hassle, then what's the harm? However, that hardware costs extra money (console prices, console game prices) and/or hassle (PC hardware/software).

Whether the bump in technical specs is worth the trade-off is very much a matter of opinion.

Actually, I believe it's $30 more for the core/arcade (if I remember correctly), but it's irrelevant as I'm not performing a direct Wii comparison to begin with (it's a bit of an anomoly due to it's unique controller and the fact the Ninty could sell it for a substantially lower amount if they wanted to).

The cost of the hardware in consoles, relatively speaking, coincides with superior technology, better graphics, and increased prices. We're seeing a bit of a skewing of that this generation as Ninty is selling their hardware above cost and the others are selling theirs below cost (The Premium 360 as since moved above cost, the Arcade may be near at-cost now although I'm not sure). I, for one, am glad the PS3 didn't catch on at a $600 price point as it would have set a precident I wouldn't have abided by.

As far as PC is concerned, I was referring to the hassle of the platform rather than the cost. I no longer care to deal with hardware requirements, driver incompatibilities, and patches. I've done it in the past, I enjoyed it at the time, I've since moved on as I no longer (personally) feel that the benefits outway the trouble.

Yeah good graphics adds to the overall experience.

It's just graphics whores that by ex. think that Galaxy and MP3 looks like crap... that gets on my nerves. I've played good looking PC games and I still think they look good.

how about a test then.

show hands here that heard anyone go into a store wether it was adults/kids what ever here them say awesome look at the gameplay of this game.

now show hands if you heard anyone say awesome look at the graphics.

look at soul reaver one awesome story graphics ok gameplay but yet it was one of my faverate games.

graphics is what drives this industry along.

show hands if you still be gaming if they were still looking like nes games with better and better gameplay each gen.

not me.

GARRYTH

1) All you are proving is that graphics matter for marketing purposes. That has nothing to do with gaming. Graphics will sell a game to people who are ignorant, but once the person gets is home and puts it in the machine, it better play good and be entertaining. Otherwise they will tell everyone they know that the game sucks and word of mouth is MUCH better marketing than graphics.

2) You like Soul Reaver and yet claim it has okay gameplay? So. A game doesn't have to be AAA to be entertaining.

3) Graphics is what drives the industry? Lol. Way to be a consumer. Graphics drives the industry because console makers need a reason to keep selling a product. Consoles will only sell so much before the market is saturated and then they need a new reason to get your money. Graphics is that reason. Again...this has nothing to do with me as a gamer and everything to do with the company, marketing and blind consumerism.

4) Yes, I would still be gaming if graphics stayed in the NES days. Because I am a gamer and it's what I do.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.blue_hazy_basic

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

And physics add trememdosly to the "fun factor".Go play crysis.

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="legend26"]what about a bad game with great graphics?? *cough LAIR cough*Thinker_145

Right. Because using my eyes is so much fun!

Seriously...how can you get more fun out of a game from the graphics?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.ZIMdoom

A game with ugly graphics but fantastic gameplay is far better than a game with stunning graphics and average gameplay. Run along and play planetscape torment and you'll see what I mean.

And physics add trememdosly to the "fun factor".Go play crysis.

You made a thread titled "Whoever says that graphics dont matter is a fanboy". Now you are acting like they don't matter that much, they are nice to have.

Nobody has ever made the arguement that graphics are completely pointless, irrlevant and simply don't matter. Simply that they are the cherry on top of the ice cream. The cherry isn't the point...it's the ice cream. The cherry is a bonus but it isn't going to make up for crappy ice cream. The ice cream has to be good to begin with.

Your arguement is essentially saying the cherry is the most important and that ice cream without a cherry on top is inferior.

Seems like you are now contradicting yourself and tripping over your own lack of logic. Graphics matter only AFTER gameplay, control and fun are in place. That is why games can be great without having good graphics, and why games can have good graphics and suck.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

how about a test then.

show hands here that heard anyone go into a store wether it was adults/kids what ever here them say awesome look at the gameplay of this game.

now show hands if you heard anyone say awesome look at the graphics.

look at soul reaver one awesome story graphics ok gameplay but yet it was one of my faverate games.

graphics is what drives this industry along.

show hands if you still be gaming if they were still looking like nes games with better and better gameplay each gen.

not me.

mattbbpl

I would. Looking at the sales of the PS2, the Wii, and the DS, I'd be led to believe that the graphics **** are a minority.

the wii 250 bucks. you think if it was 350 or 400 people would still be buying it no.

ds well i say 90% handheld market is kids 10 and under.