Whoever says that graphics dont matter is a fanboy.

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#101 jdp0412
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[QUOTE="jdp0412"]Good graphics are nice and all but I would far rather have great gameplay than great graphics. Gameplay in my mind makes up for graphical problems while the same can not be said about graphics making up for poor gameplay.Thinker_145
Please please tell me when did someone say otherwise.

I'm not saying you or anyone else said otherwise. You are just putting graphics on too high of a pedestal in my opinion. Good graphics are fun and nice to look at but they are not the end all be all you are making them out to be. I enjoyed and still enjoy older great games as much as I do the new fancy games.

I guess what I'm trying to say is gameplay is more or less all that matters, graphics are just icing on the cake not a part of the cake itself.

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#102 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Sorry mate but if you think that DS games would not be anymore enjoyable with PSP like graphics than i am sorry but that maybe some fanboyisim.And you do know that better graphics are alot more than just more details like nose hairs.:|Jandurin
How do slightly better graphics improve enjoyment?

I am sorry but the PSP has "significantly" and not "slightly" better graphics than the DS.I certainly wouldnt enjoy crysis as much in medium settings.:?

Slightly better graphics would probably mean something like the PC version of gears over the 360 one.

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#103 HotStuff_2169
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[QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

Thinker_145

I cant stand playing the original half life anymore.It just looks far too ugly now.

Wow. And you call yourself a gamer. :roll:

Yes i do.And i would like to tell you that i didnt play the original half life back in the days.I just thought about playing it after finishing HL2.I just didnt enjoy the game plain and simple.Everything just felt too dated and i didnt feel like playing it for the sake of understanding the story.

I didn't play Half-Life back in the day either. I just downloaded it a few months ago and the graphics are really stunning.

Same thing with Halo:CE. I didn't play it until a few months ago and I thought that the visuals were breathtaking.

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#104 Thinker_145
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I'm guessing you meant: Who ever says good graphics don't matter is a fanboy.

And i strongly disagree with that. For me, good graphics don't matter, at all. I have a pretty good PC and a 360, and I am not at all amazed by the graphics. Heck, even when everyone was all hyped about DKC because of the graphics I didn't care. I am fine with N64 graphics. As long as I can see what I am doing I'm fine. Actually, the truth is I prefer N64 graphics, because many games today are so over-saturated with pointless stuff. I don't need to see blemishes or sweat, or anything like that, because I just don't care about that stuff. AndI am definitely not a fanboy, considering I wasn't even going to get a Wii this gen(since I'm guessing thats what this is about). I was originally going to get a PS3 instead of a Wii, but then I saw the Revmote.

Who ever says good graphics matter is a fanboy.

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Oh dear.:cry:
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#105 BubbyJello
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[QUOTE="BubbyJello"][QUOTE="SeptimusV_basic"]

people BUY NEW CONSOLES FOR UPDATED GFX, ENVIRONMENTS, BETTER LOOKING MODELS, ETC.

SeptimusV_basic

Really?... Interesting,I always though people bought new consoles for the new games. I mean, thats why I buy them anyway.

Oh...because you didnt sit down to look at the bigger picture did you? Interesting.All this time I guess I had my thumb somewhere while looking at the fact that the improvements along games are allowed due to enhanced processing.

So you only buy newer consoles because the graphics are better?

Lets say the next generation of consoles have no graphical, environmental, etc improvement. But you had to buy them for the newer games. Would buy them?

The only reason I bought Genesis was because I played most of the games i wanted to on the NES, not because the graphics are better, thats what graphics whores do.

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#106 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Supafly1"]Actually wether you are obsessed with graphics or not is just a personal taste so anyone can disagree with you.SeptimusV_basic

Not true at all. I dont hear anyone boasting about how much they play their Sega over their newest console. I dont hear anyone screaming about their insane rig from 97. Fact of the matter is...people BUY NEW CONSOLES FOR UPDATED GFX, ENVIRONMENTS, BETTER LOOKING MODELS, ETC.

You are delusional to think otherwise.

Yes good point.And ask anybody what are you really noticing when playing your new console for the first time....Yes it's the graphics and whoever says otherwise is well....nevermind.
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Yes i do.And i would like to tell you that i didnt play the original half life back in the days.I just thought about playing it after finishing HL2.I just didnt enjoy the game plain and simple.Everything just felt too dated and i didnt feel like playing it for the sake of understanding the story.Thinker_145
To be fair, I played the HL1 demo when it first came out, and I thought it played crappy. So, it's not just because it's old, it felt sucky back then too.

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#108 Akuma88
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A game could have the prettiest graphics that I have ever seen but if it's not fun then I could give a care less about it. Also if I ever remember a game that I like I remember it because it's fun and not for how pretty it was to look at it.
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#109 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Slightly better graphics would probably mean something like the PC version of gears over the 360 one.Thinker_145
But, you're saying better graphics enhances experience, so every slight increase should directly affect your experience, right?

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#111 SeptimusV_basic
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[QUOTE="SeptimusV_basic"][QUOTE="BubbyJello"][QUOTE="SeptimusV_basic"]

people BUY NEW CONSOLES FOR UPDATED GFX, ENVIRONMENTS, BETTER LOOKING MODELS, ETC.

BubbyJello

Really?... Interesting,I always though people bought new consoles for the new games. I mean, thats why I buy them anyway.

Oh...because you didnt sit down to look at the bigger picture did you? Interesting.All this time I guess I had my thumb somewhere while looking at the fact that the improvements along games are allowed due to enhanced processing.

So you only buy newer consoles because the graphics are better?

Lets say the next generation of consoles have no graphical, environmental, etc improvement. But you had to buy them for the newer games. Would buy them?

The only reason I bought Genesis was because I played most of the games i wanted to on the NES, not because the graphics are better, thats what graphics whores do.

Do you really want to debate this? Really now? LOL

Oh gee...look at the span through time. Nuff said. What would be possible?

Fact of the matter is that if Nintendo had its way in the handheld department, they would be feeding us colored gameboys every five years.

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#112 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]i would however rather have good graphics and good gameplay than awesome gameplay and crappy graphics any day.GARRYTH

Really? Did you really say that?

Also, gameplay immerses you. The graphics just let you figure out where you need to make the thing you're controlling go to do what he needs to do.

I mean, I've been fully immersed in text-based games.

:lol:I am sorry but i had to laugh at that.

am im right good graphics and good gameplay is better than bad graphics and awesome game play.

I was not laughing at your comment.Anyways if you mean good game with good graphics is beter than fantastic game with "abysymal graphics" then i agree with you.
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#113 excelR83
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Actually, the fanboys are the people who continuously, time after time after time, make the ignorant claim that anyone has ever said "graphics don't matter". Especially considering all anybody is saying is that gameplay and fun and controls are all more important...which is true.

ZIMdoom

Actually, a lot of people say graphics don't matter. They are the ones that claim to still play Super Nintendo games every day because "teh gameplay" is what's important.

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#114 BubbyJello
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XSY3TLYSus

Check out that game. It has the best graphics ever.

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#115 Thinker_145
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I have a really good gaming PC, I think that Crysis is one of the best games of the year, and I still say that graphics don't matter that much, as long as the game is fun. Am I a fanboy?MetroidPrimePwn
Maybe yes.I mean it's an internet forum you never know you would be lying to defend your favourite company nintendo.I am sure you didnt play crysis in high\very high settings throughout or you are indeed a nintendo fanboy.
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#116 excelR83
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I'm guessing you meant: Who ever says good graphics don't matter is a fanboy.

And i strongly disagree with that. For me, good graphics don't matter, at all. I have a pretty good PC and a 360, and I am not at all amazed by the graphics. Heck, even when everyone was all hyped about DKC because of the graphics I didn't care. I am fine with N64 graphics. As long as I can see what I am doing I'm fine. Actually, the truth is I prefer N64 graphics, because many games today are so over-saturated with pointless stuff. I don't need to see blemishes or sweat, or anything like that, because I just don't care about that stuff. AndI am definitely not a fanboy, considering I wasn't even going to get a Wii this gen(since I'm guessing thats what this is about). I was originally going to get a PS3 instead of a Wii, but then I saw the Revmote.

Who ever says good graphics matter is a fanboy.

BubbyJello

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Oh wow. Too funny. "I prefer bad graphics" he says. Now that's a true, blue Wii owner. "I like bad graphics!"

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#117 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]good graphics and good gameplay is better than bad graphics and awesome game play.Jandurin

You are wrong. To be perfectly blunt. Your opinion is incorrect.

why am i wrong if there both good then why have bad graphics.

Awesome gameplay is a once in a generation thing.

good graphics and good gameplay is rather commonplace.

Awesome graphics is also not a common place.Anyways this argument is rather dull cuz i cant remember a game with phenominal gameplay and really bad graphics.Lair applies to the vice versa though.
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#118 BubbyJello
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Fact of the matter is that if Nintendo had its way in the handheld department, they would be feeding us colored gameboys every five years.

SeptimusV_basic

Do you think I would complain? I don't really like having to dish out a bunch of cash everytime a new system comes out.

And I just think it is odd that you buy newer systems only becuase the graphics are better.

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#119 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="jdp0412"]Good graphics are nice and all but I would far rather have great gameplay than great graphics. Gameplay in my mind makes up for graphical problems while the same can not be said about graphics making up for poor gameplay.jdp0412

Please please tell me when did someone say otherwise.

I'm not saying you or anyone else said otherwise. You are just putting graphics on too high of a pedestal in my opinion. Good graphics are fun and nice to look at but they are not the end all be all you are making them out to be. I enjoyed and still enjoy older great games as much as I do the new fancy games.

I guess what I'm trying to say is gameplay is more or less all that matters, graphics are just icing on the cake not a part of the cake itself.

You will have to include physics and interaction over here as well and then these things along with graphics are definitely "a part" of the cake of crysis and HL2 for me.
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#120 SeptimusV_basic
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[QUOTE="SeptimusV_basic"]

Fact of the matter is that if Nintendo had its way in the handheld department, they would be feeding us colored gameboys every five years.

BubbyJello

Do you think I would complain? I don't really like having to dish out a bunch of cash everytime a new system comes out.

And I just think it is odd that you buy newer systems only becuase the graphics are better.

I'm so sorry economic theory doesn't apply in your realm anymore.

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#121 Ballroompirate
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Actually, the fanboys are the people who continuously, time after time after time, make the ignorant claim that anyone has ever said "graphics don't matter". Especially considering all anybody is saying is that gameplay and fun and controls are all more important...which is true.

ZIMdoom

I agree

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#122 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

HotStuff_2169

I cant stand playing the original half life anymore.It just looks far too ugly now.

Wow. And you call yourself a gamer. :roll:

Yes i do.And i would like to tell you that i didnt play the original half life back in the days.I just thought about playing it after finishing HL2.I just didnt enjoy the game plain and simple.Everything just felt too dated and i didnt feel like playing it for the sake of understanding the story.

I didn't play Half-Life back in the day either. I just downloaded it a few months ago and the graphics are really stunning.

Same thing with Halo:CE. I didn't play it until a few months ago and I thought that the visuals were breathtaking.

Oh comon now that's going too far.
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#123 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

ps 2 still had graphics alot better than n64 and ps 1 plus it had the games to back it up.

the wii 250 bucks. you think if it was 350 or 400 people would still be buying it no.

ds well i say 90% handheld market is kids 10 and under.

Thinker_145

Of course the Wii wouldn't be selling as well if it was $400. Most people don't purchase consoles at that price point.

However, the Gamecube debuted at $200 (less than the PS2), had better graphics than the PS2, and sold miserably (whereas the PS2 flourished, bad graphics and all). Every generation teaches us again and again that better graphics are a minor feature, and every generation people still confuse it as being the primary feature.

It's just fun seeing history repeat itself.

What's up with this non sense dammit.What ON EARTH do sales have to do with this.Do you even realize that the majority of console games are not to hardcore gamers.I am strictly talking about people who take gaming seriously and sales are a pathetic thing.And did i ever say that if you are a graphics whore you should not buy a wii.Even i will probably buy a wii sometime as it's goona be so cheap with pricecuts.

I know a friend of has a ps2 and only plays need for speed.I know a family who bought a ps2 but didnt play it after a few weeks and then just used it as a DVD player for years.Is this the reason how sales determine the overrall vioce of real gamers.:|

Sales, in regards to my point, are merely an indication of how many people prefer the consoles with "Bad Graphics" over the competing consoles with "Good Graphics".

If we're discounting the casual market, then I will merely point to the responses posted in this thread on a forum of a gaming website populated largely by members of the core gaming market. Many of these responses are voicing opinions that are contrary to yours.

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#124 BubbyJello
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[QUOTE="BubbyJello"]

I'm guessing you meant: Who ever says good graphics don't matter is a fanboy.

And i strongly disagree with that. For me, good graphics don't matter, at all. I have a pretty good PC and a 360, and I am not at all amazed by the graphics. Heck, even when everyone was all hyped about DKC because of the graphics I didn't care. I am fine with N64 graphics. As long as I can see what I am doing I'm fine. Actually, the truth is I prefer N64 graphics, because many games today are so over-saturated with pointless stuff. I don't need to see blemishes or sweat, or anything like that, because I just don't care about that stuff. AndI am definitely not a fanboy, considering I wasn't even going to get a Wii this gen(since I'm guessing thats what this is about). I was originally going to get a PS3 instead of a Wii, but then I saw the Revmote.

Who ever says good graphics matter is a fanboy.

excelR83

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Oh wow. Too funny. "I prefer bad graphics" he says. Now that's a true, blue Wii owner. "I like bad graphics!"

It is not the first time someone loled about that.I don't understand why that is considered so odd. Why must everybody like high quality graphics? We Love Katamari is a great game, even though it has extrmely low quality graphics.

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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Actually, the fanboys are the people who continuously, time after time after time, make the ignorant claim that anyone has ever said "graphics don't matter". Especially considering all anybody is saying is that gameplay and fun and controls are all more important...which is true.

excelR83

Actually, a lot of people say graphics don't matter. They are the ones that claim to still play Super Nintendo games every day because "teh gameplay" is what's important.

I disagree. I have seen a number of these threads and they all make the claim that graphics are less important than other factors. This is then spun by fanboys who make threads like this one saying "Who says graphics don't matter" or "People who say graphics are meaningless and pointlessare stupid."

There is a world of difference between what people REALLY say, and the straw man rebuttal.

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#126 SeptimusV_basic
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[QUOTE="excelR83"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Actually, the fanboys are the people who continuously, time after time after time, make the ignorant claim that anyone has ever said "graphics don't matter". Especially considering all anybody is saying is that gameplay and fun and controls are all more important...which is true.

ZIMdoom

Actually, a lot of people say graphics don't matter. They are the ones that claim to still play Super Nintendo games every day because "teh gameplay" is what's important.

I disagree. I have seen a number of these threads and they all make the claim that graphics are less important than other factors. This is then spun by fanboys who make threads like this one saying "Who says graphics don't matter" or "People who say graphics are meaningless and pointlessare stupid."

There is a world of difference between what people REALLY say, and the straw man rebuttal.

Well said Master Yoda. However, there are always two sides to a debate. Someone has to play devil's advocate in order for such a debate to occur.

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#127 VanHelsingBoA64
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[QUOTE="BubbyJello"]

I'm guessing you meant: Who ever says good graphics don't matter is a fanboy.

And i strongly disagree with that. For me, good graphics don't matter, at all. I have a pretty good PC and a 360, and I am not at all amazed by the graphics. Heck, even when everyone was all hyped about DKC because of the graphics I didn't care. I am fine with N64 graphics. As long as I can see what I am doing I'm fine. Actually, the truth is I prefer N64 graphics, because many games today are so over-saturated with pointless stuff. I don't need to see blemishes or sweat, or anything like that, because I just don't care about that stuff. AndI am definitely not a fanboy, considering I wasn't even going to get a Wii this gen(since I'm guessing thats what this is about). I was originally going to get a PS3 instead of a Wii, but then I saw the Revmote.

Who ever says good graphics matter is a fanboy.

excelR83

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Oh wow. Too funny. "I prefer bad graphics" he says. Now that's a true, blue Wii owner. "I like bad graphics!"

That is indeed quite ROFLCOPTER.

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#128 l3erserker
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I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed. For example,a beautiful game like Lair can be crushed by poor gameplay. Although it is one example, you get my point.

Gameplay>Graphics

It's sad that this generation does not value gameplay as much unless I am mistaken (if so I apologize in advance).

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#129 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="BubbyJello"]

I'm guessing you meant: Who ever says good graphics don't matter is a fanboy.

And i strongly disagree with that. For me, good graphics don't matter, at all. I have a pretty good PC and a 360, and I am not at all amazed by the graphics. Heck, even when everyone was all hyped about DKC because of the graphics I didn't care. I am fine with N64 graphics. As long as I can see what I am doing I'm fine. Actually, the truth is I prefer N64 graphics,because many games today are so over-saturated with pointless stuff. I don't need to see blemishes or sweat, or anything like that, because I just don't care about that stuff. AndI am definitely not a fanboy, considering I wasn't even going to get a Wii this gen(since I'm guessing thats what this is about). I was originally going to get a PS3 instead of a Wii, but then I saw the Revmote.

Who ever says good graphics matter is a fanboy.

BubbyJello

Oh dear.:cry:

I know, it is terrible not to be obsessed with high quality graphics. The truth is, you are a graphics whore, and I have no idea why someone would want to be one of those. But whatever, it is your problem, not mine.

Yes maybe i am but i certainly wont undermine a game which does not look very good.
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#130 DaViD_99
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I also think that graphics matter, but arent the important thing, but i also think that since they are going to keep on trying to make graphics better and better, it will never end. Look at the n64 and playstation. When mario 64 came out everyone was talking about the graphics how it is so lifelike. We now look back at it and laugh, while saying that 360s graphics are amazing, which they are, but since they are going to keep on getting better, and in the next 10-20 years, we will probably look back at these games and laugh, then how are graphics so important? But then i think that graphics are only the icing on the cake.
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#131 stunt73
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Crysis graphics >>>>>>>> Wolfenstein Enemy territory graphics, but i know which one I'd rather play :D
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#132 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Slightly better graphics would probably mean something like the PC version of gears over the 360 one.Jandurin

But, you're saying better graphics enhances experience, so every slight increase should directly affect your experience, right?

Yes ofcourse the better the graphics and the better overall enjoyment will be.However having slightly better graphics and having the same level of physics and AI and the no. of stuff going on at once will really have a minor impact on the overall expeience like in the example of 360 gears and PC gears.But when the graphics are on a whole new level like the psp and ds then it's a different thing.

I will give you an example.I played HL2 on the original xbox for the first time.I didnt have a PC capable to play it then.Now the first game which i played on my current PC was HL2 and i was completely blown away by the graphics and the physics and the overall smoothness of it all.I enjoyed playing HL2 10x more on the PC than original xbox even though i first played it on the xbox and i dont even replay my games all that much.And yes part of the more enjoying on the PC was kb\m controls but the graphics and physics were also definitely were.

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#133 Blackbond
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Graphics really don't really matter unless they are at a level in which they become detrimental to the actual gameplay. The name of the game is Video"GAMES"

Gameplay > Graphics

Graphics do matter to some extent but I would never buy a game based on graphics. But I would buy a game based on gameplay.

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#134 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="GARRYTH"]

ps 2 still had graphics alot better than n64 and ps 1 plus it had the games to back it up.

the wii 250 bucks. you think if it was 350 or 400 people would still be buying it no.

ds well i say 90% handheld market is kids 10 and under.

mattbbpl

Of course the Wii wouldn't be selling as well if it was $400. Most people don't purchase consoles at that price point.

However, the Gamecube debuted at $200 (less than the PS2), had better graphics than the PS2, and sold miserably (whereas the PS2 flourished, bad graphics and all). Every generation teaches us again and again that better graphics are a minor feature, and every generation people still confuse it as being the primary feature.

It's just fun seeing history repeat itself.

What's up with this non sense dammit.What ON EARTH do sales have to do with this.Do you even realize that the majority of console games are not to hardcore gamers.I am strictly talking about people who take gaming seriously and sales are a pathetic thing.And did i ever say that if you are a graphics whore you should not buy a wii.Even i will probably buy a wii sometime as it's goona be so cheap with pricecuts.

I know a friend of has a ps2 and only plays need for speed.I know a family who bought a ps2 but didnt play it after a few weeks and then just used it as a DVD player for years.Is this the reason how sales determine the overrall vioce of real gamers.:|

Sales, in regards to my point, are merely an indication of how many people prefer the consoles with "Bad Graphics" over the competing consoles with "Good Graphics".

If we're discounting the casual market, then I will merely point to the responses posted in this thread on a forum of a gaming website populated largely by members of the core gaming market. Many of these responses are voicing opinions that are contrary to yours.

Well no the majority in this thread agree with me to the extent that graphics matter.And ofcourse their are nintendo fanboys and then there are people who just like to have some fun on forums and arent actually expressing their opinions.
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#135 Thinker_145
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I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed. For example,a beautiful game like Lair can be crushed by poor gameplay. Although it is one example, you get my point.

Gameplay>Graphics

It's sad that this generation does not value gameplay as much unless I am mistaken (if so I apologize in advance).

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What even made you think that i dont care about gameplay or even care a little less about it.But you apolized in advance so i guess it's ok.:P
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#136 dantesergei
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the question is would you like to see a Halo 3 with halo 1 graphics or a MGS4 with MGS2 graphics ?? or a God of war 3 still with God of war 2 graphics??

The Answer is NO !!

so dont say that graphics dont matter. Becouse they do.

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#137 HotStuff_2169
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[QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

Thinker_145

I cant stand playing the original half life anymore.It just looks far too ugly now.

Wow. And you call yourself a gamer. :roll:

Yes i do.And i would like to tell you that i didnt play the original half life back in the days.I just thought about playing it after finishing HL2.I just didnt enjoy the game plain and simple.Everything just felt too dated and i didnt feel like playing it for the sake of understanding the story.

I didn't play Half-Life back in the day either. I just downloaded it a few months ago and the graphics are really stunning.

Same thing with Halo:CE. I didn't play it until a few months ago and I thought that the visuals were breathtaking.

Oh comon now that's going too far.

For a game that was released in 1998 it was a technical marvel.

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#138 BubbyJello
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Last generation(when Nintendo's console was not the weakest), were the people that aren't graphic whores still fanboys?

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#139 Video_Game_King
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They matter, but never is their priority above that of gameplay.
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#140 PolkaStripe
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i do agree graphics are a large factor.. but its all about personal opinion in my own personal opinion i think super mario galaxy has better graphics than crysis . Sure crysis is massivley realistic and mario is well.. cartoony but super mariogalaxy is very artistic and nicely designed with colourful landscapes. IN MY OPINION.. better ''graphics'' =]
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#141 TheJuiceyBar
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Only sheep says graphics dont matter.

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#142 osan0
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of course graphics matter,and when used to actually greatly enhance the games experience, they can be invaluable. but there not a difinative indication of a games quality. its important but not that important.

imho though, the games industry has put far too much focus on graphics technology, to the detriment of other elements of a game. in alot of genres, gameplay has only had slight refienments. story telling and the quality of writing has gone backwards (not even bioshock stands up to the scripts in games like planesacpe torment). sound is completly neglected (hasnt changed in 10 years) and AI remains scripted and a bit stupid. this is all in the pursuit of graphica and, imho, its just not worth it anymore.

however gameplay alone also doesent dictate the quality of a title imho. it is a fundimental part of a game (and should always have a higher priority then graphics) but on its own, itll still lead to a fairly short and not too memerable experience.

what matters is the overall package imho. the best games are the ones that get the overall experience right, from the graphics and gameplay to the sound, AI, physics and level design. a monket can make a cutting edge game graphically but it takes masters of the business to make crackin games that go down in history.

what devs really need to do is pick there battles. the best games are those from devs who know where to put their resources and win those battles.

Deus ex 1. by the standards of 2000, this was a bad looking game. it ran on UE1 when UE2 was showing its stuff. however ion storm knew that the graphics didnt need to be cutting edge, they only needed to eb good enough. however what DE needed to get right was the level design, the game play, the story, the writing and the sound. it absolutely nailed all of these. De1 was one of the first game to successfully mix FPS and rpg game play (with stealth thrown in too). the level design was brilliant and really made the game feel open. it also allowed the player to tackle problems in multiple ways depending on preference and skills available. it was a bit different in that it rewarded progress, not kills. no XP was ever obtained through a kill. the story was one that really made u think and question everything. there was some of that cliche conspiracy stuff but theres stuff in there thall make u think "god....thats actually possible". the writing, characters and voice acting were also top notch. the world was also very interactive (its a shame that better physics tech wasnt availabel for games at the time), u could do everything from hacking computers to rolling balls around a pool table. the use fo sound effects and music was also very effective. from a windy roof top to nearby electrical faults, the sound added as much to the overall experience as the graphics...if not more so. they nailed all that....everythign that was needed to make DE1 great. better graphics would have been an icing on the cake but in terms of importance....they were way way down the list and, to this day, DE1 does not suffer from them. when they did go after graphics for DE2, everything fell apart.

the total war series is another example. the creative assembly always remain a few notches behind the cutting edge in temrs of graphic stech. for example, for med 2 total war, only shader model 2 was used. this was when SM 3 cards were common. why? because a total war game is a game that requires huge battel fields and thousadns upon thousands of individual units. by staying below the cutting edge (but uusing the tech that they are going to use very well), they give themselves alot of breathing room in terms of horsepower and can have those thousands of units and detailed battle fields running without needing a super computer. since the player is mostly zoomed out and coordinating a scrap, the extra detail that SM3 could bring would be pointless so they put their resources to better use. the only reason there using SM3 for empire total war is because they need detailed water for naval scraps (likr the bioshock devs, creative assembly have a guy whos job is to make water look and behave like water). itll be released towards the end of 08 when SM4 cards will be common place and SM5 cards will probably be on the horizon.

anywho im ranting, imho the most important thing a dev needs to do is get the overall package right. graphics are fairly important in this regard but there not the most important thing. the best game are the ones that get what they need to get right, right. sometimes graphics are paramount, sometimes there way down the list. it depends on the game.

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#143 Indestructible2
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Graphics are great and all,but Physics >>>> Graphics IMHO :D
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#144 Thinker_145
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i do agree graphics are a large factor.. but its all about personal opinion in my own personal opinion i think super mario galaxy has better graphics than crysis . Sure crysis is massivley realistic and mario is well.. cartoony but super mariogalaxy is very artistic and nicely designed with colourful landscapes. IN MY OPINION.. better ''graphics'' =]PolkaStripe
Your opinion about mario galaxy having better graphics than crysis is only valid if you have played crysis and finished it on high\very high settings.If you have only seen screenshots,videos or played it at a friends house for a few min then it is not valid.
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#145 Thinker_145
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Last generation(when Nintendo's console was not the weakest), were the people that aren't graphic whores still fanboys?

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When did i say that not being a "graphics whore" meant you are a fanboy.
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#146 Saxsoon
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Which is why SMG beat Crysis,Halo, COD4, the Orange Box, and every other game this year. Oh wait.

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#147 Saxsoon
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[QUOTE="PolkaStripe"]i do agree graphics are a large factor.. but its all about personal opinion in my own personal opinion i think super mario galaxy has better graphics than crysis . Sure crysis is massivley realistic and mario is well.. cartoony but super mariogalaxy is very artistic and nicely designed with colourful landscapes. IN MY OPINION.. better ''graphics'' =]Thinker_145
Your opinion about mario galaxy having better graphics than crysis is only valid if you have played crysis and finished it on high\very high settings.If you have only seen screenshots,videos or played it at a friends house for a few min then it is not valid.

Hence why he had Graphics in quotation. In his opinion, it has a better artistic design which in his opinion is better.

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#148 TheJuiceyBar
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Which is why SMG beat Crysis,Halo, COD4, the Orange Box, and every other game this year. Oh wait.

Saxsoon
wut?
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#149 Thinker_145
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[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="HotStuff_2169"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

No they are stupid. You can't play a game without some kind of graphics :P

However, we've been loving games for 20 odd years. They haven't had the standard of graphics we have today, yet we still loved them and were wowed by them.

I love great looking graphics and I'd not give them up, but graphics aren't anything to a real gamer without the gameplay also being brilliant.

HotStuff_2169

I cant stand playing the original half life anymore.It just looks far too ugly now.

Wow. And you call yourself a gamer. :roll:

Yes i do.And i would like to tell you that i didnt play the original half life back in the days.I just thought about playing it after finishing HL2.I just didnt enjoy the game plain and simple.Everything just felt too dated and i didnt feel like playing it for the sake of understanding the story.

I didn't play Half-Life back in the day either. I just downloaded it a few months ago and the graphics are really stunning.

Same thing with Halo:CE. I didn't play it until a few months ago and I thought that the visuals were breathtaking.

Oh comon now that's going too far.

For a game that was released in 1998 it was a technical marvel.

Yes i can see that.They are definitely a level ahead of N64 graphics.
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#150 peaceful_anger
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I agree graphics do matter, but not to the point where I will pass up a game because it isn't as graphically beautiful as Gears of War, Crysis, or Mass Effect. It just irritates me to no end when great games get passed up for this very reason.

I'm just glad I'm not hung up on graphics, so I can enjoy games with excellent gameplay that have jaw dropping graphics, as well as, lackluster graphics, where as, you graphic ****** are only enjoying games that are up to your high standards.