Why are non-scripted open-world games not possible on the PS3? (or have issues)

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#1 StatusShuffle
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The best looking PS# games are linear and a lot of which are extremely scripted. Yet most open ended games don't run well, skip the PS3 entirely, or the PS3 has many technical issues like A.I. hiccups, compressed animation, missing certain features in the environment, etc. Now why is this? Is the Cell that restricted? Or is the GPU that weak that the Cell can't actually use it for bigger areas and more events?
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#2 parkurtommo
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It's because ps3 has no games.

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#3 platniumgamer
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my brother is correct. ps3 has no games, what a shame....

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#4 XaosII
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Memory restrictions.

Its the main reason why Skyrim on the PS3 had issues when you've played one save game for many, many hours and why they may not bring in future DLC.

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#5 freedomfreak
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Yakuza?
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Split memory. 256MB dedicated RAM for the GPU sounds like a great idea, until you realize the system itself is left with only 256MB memory too...
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Yakuza?freedomfreak
That's not..... Come on now.
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#8 OneInchMan99
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What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

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#9 StatusShuffle
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Split memory. 256MB dedicated RAM for the GPU sounds like a great idea, until you realize the system itself is left with only 256MB memory too...charizard1605
But there have been cases when a game had run better than the 360 version before even with the compromises and in those rare 2 cases it seems clear to me something else is causing the issues unless those 2 games were disguised as open-world.
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Yakuza?StatusShuffle
That's not..... Come on now.

It definitely isn't a scripted,linear experience.
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#11 Grawse
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Lazy devs.
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What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

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Skyrim, GTA4, RDR...
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#13 loosingENDS
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Because its hardware is rather ancient

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Split memory. 256MB dedicated RAM for the GPU sounds like a great idea, until you realize the system itself is left with only 256MB memory too...StatusShuffle
But there have been cases when a game had run better than the 360 version before even with the compromises and in those rare 2 cases it seems clear to me something else is causing the issues unless those 2 games were disguised as open-world.

The games themselves were probably not as taxing on the system, then, or they used some 'cheats' to achieve the illusion of a continuous open world (like Metroid Prime, and its 'shoot at the door loading'). What games are you talking about, though?
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What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

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OK:
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#16 todd2r_Partdeux
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Who cares about those types of games when you get movies like Heavy Rain? All you guys need to know is ps4 is locked and loaded. Strap it on, slap your momma, and get ready. Day fukin one! Get ready for more scripted, linear, world class, barn busting, spreadsheet busting exclusives. I would also like to say a special shout out to Ken Kutaragi. Your vision of high priced hardware with a hint of arrogance has put the Playstation brand on life support. Thank you Ken. We are forever grateful.
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#17 Maneil99
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Infamous 1/2, RnC, Prototype 2 runs better on ps3 aswell.

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#18 StatusShuffle
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Yakuza?freedomfreak
That's not..... Come on now.

It definitely isn't a scripted,linear experience.

No it's pretty scripted.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] That's not..... Come on now.

It definitely isn't a scripted,linear experience.

No it's pretty scripted.

No. It really isn't.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]Split memory. 256MB dedicated RAM for the GPU sounds like a great idea, until you realize the system itself is left with only 256MB memory too...charizard1605
But there have been cases when a game had run better than the 360 version before even with the compromises and in those rare 2 cases it seems clear to me something else is causing the issues unless those 2 games were disguised as open-world.

The games themselves were probably not as taxing on the system, then, or they used some 'cheats' to achieve the illusion of a continuous open world (like Metroid Prime, and its 'shoot at the door loading'). What games are you talking about, though?

L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] It definitely isn't a scripted,linear experience.

No it's pretty scripted.

No. It really isn't.

Yes it really is, you would have to be dumb to not think Yakuza is not scriped. it's also not event heavy or have much effects either, it's more like walking around and empty down to you have scripted A.I. fight with you without much changing in how the A.I. works.
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#22 StatusShuffle
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Infamous 1/2, RnC, Prototype 2 runs better on ps3 aswell.

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Prototype one does not though and Prototype to runs worse on both systmes with half the budget and btw, no more sequels to Prototype for whatever know how long. Also Infamous is full of compromises, especially the 2nd one, and Ratchet and clank? Not exactly a taxing game this gen unlike last.
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#23 crimsonman1245
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This is just off the top of my head.

Assassins Creed, Assassins Creed 2, Assassins Creed Revelations, Assassins Creed Brotherhood, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Infamous, Infamous 2, Red Dead Redemption, Kingdoms of Amalur, Dragons Dogma, Nier, Deus Ex:Human Revolution all run well on PS3.

If theres an open world game that runs like crap on PS3, then it runs like crap on 360 as well. (Skyrim, Fallout, etc )

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] But there have been cases when a game had run better than the 360 version before even with the compromises and in those rare 2 cases it seems clear to me something else is causing the issues unless those 2 games were disguised as open-world.StatusShuffle
The games themselves were probably not as taxing on the system, then, or they used some 'cheats' to achieve the illusion of a continuous open world (like Metroid Prime, and its 'shoot at the door loading'). What games are you talking about, though?

L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] But there have been cases when a game had run better than the 360 version before even with the compromises and in those rare 2 cases it seems clear to me something else is causing the issues unless those 2 games were disguised as open-world.

The games themselves were probably not as taxing on the system, then, or they used some 'cheats' to achieve the illusion of a continuous open world (like Metroid Prime, and its 'shoot at the door loading'). What games are you talking about, though?

L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.

I agree. Also Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto IV, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, Skyrim... It's mostly the RAM, I am assuming.
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#26 StatusShuffle
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What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

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PT1, GTAIV, RDR, DR2, HUNTED, ETC.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] The games themselves were probably not as taxing on the system, then, or they used some 'cheats' to achieve the illusion of a continuous open world (like Metroid Prime, and its 'shoot at the door loading'). What games are you talking about, though?Maneil99

L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

PT2 is a pretty poor game in general with half the budget of PT2 and yeah, no. Infamous 2 mostly make compromises, Infamous 1 just had a few graphical issues, but not for when it was out.
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[QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

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PT1, GTAIV, RDR, DR2, HUNTED, ETC.

I didnt have any problems with RDR other than freezing once or twice.

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] No it's pretty scripted.

No. It really isn't.

Yes it really is, you would have to be dumb to not think Yakuza is not scriped. it's also not event heavy or have much effects either, it's more like walking around and empty down to you have scripted A.I. fight with you without much changing in how the A.I. works.

Every game is scripted to some degree. But Yakuza isn't scripted like cod or uncharted. Now, you asked for an open world game. I gave one. Aparrently it does not meet your requirements. Fine by me.
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#30 StatusShuffle
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

crimsonman1245

PT1, GTAIV, RDR, DR2, HUNTED, ETC.

I didnt have any problems with RDR other than freezing once or twice.

Lot of textures and a few reshaped objects in RDR on the PS3. Also it runs slower, but you would have to play both to realize that. It annoys me.
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[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.StatusShuffle

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

PT2 is a pretty poor game in general with half the budget of PT2 and yeah, no. Infamous 2 mostly make compromises, Infamous 1 just had a few graphical issues, but not for when it was out.

Wait what? Prototype 2 has half the budget of Prototype 2? And why does that even matter. Name the Compromises, and stop ignoring the SR3 Link

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The Infamous games are open world and run perfectly fine
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] No. It really isn't.

Yes it really is, you would have to be dumb to not think Yakuza is not scriped. it's also not event heavy or have much effects either, it's more like walking around and empty down to you have scripted A.I. fight with you without much changing in how the A.I. works.

Every game is scripted to some degree. But Yakuza isn't scripted like cod or uncharted. Now, you asked for an open world game. I gave one. Aparrently it does not meet your requirements. Fine by me.

it has issues to even be running. That's what we are addressing, it's in the thread title. Just because it's not scripted like Uncharted, which is a LINEAR GAME IDIOT, does not me it;s not scripted. If Yakuza wasn't scripted and limited the A.I. to a certain field it would explode. not to mention how it lacks many events or other outside interaction so it's basically you running around an empty map attacking people. Those are compromises, it's an open worl games that;s scripted and has issues and makes compromises clear as the sun is in space.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Maneil99"]

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

Maneil99

PT2 is a pretty poor game in general with half the budget of PT2 and yeah, no. Infamous 2 mostly make compromises, Infamous 1 just had a few graphical issues, but not for when it was out.

Wait what? Prototype 2 has half the budget of Prototype 2? And why does that even matter. Name the Compromises, and stop ignoring the SR3 Link

I already posted SR3 why would I look at the link? it's in the same post you quoted from me did you read?
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[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] L.A. Noire and SR3 which are probably the best open-ended running games on the system while every other game (including INfamous) all suffer from compromises.StatusShuffle

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

PT2 is a pretty poor game in general with half the budget of PT2 and yeah, no. Infamous 2 mostly make compromises, Infamous 1 just had a few graphical issues, but not for when it was out.

Wait what? Prototype 2 has half the budget of Prototype 2? And why does that even matter. Name the Compromises, and stop ignoring the SR3 Link

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The Infamous games are open world and run perfectly fineBPoole96
Infamous 2 made a few compromises.
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360 has more useable memory than the Ps3 due to the Ps3 having a bloated OS of 50MB, Xbox 360 OS overhead is only 32MB and thats with reserve space left for further updates, split memory architecture is another of the Ps3's problems which is the main reason that Skyrim does not run as well as on the Ps3.
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="Maneil99"]

What comprimises does infamous have? What about Prototype 2 running and looking better on PS3.http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head-saints-row-the-third-analysis/2/SR3 got 3/3 judges preferences.

Maneil99

PT2 is a pretty poor game in general with half the budget of PT2 and yeah, no. Infamous 2 mostly make compromises, Infamous 1 just had a few graphical issues, but not for when it was out.

Wait what? Prototype 2 has half the budget of Prototype 2? And why does that even matter. Name the Compromises, and stop ignoring the SR3 Link

I already posted SR3 why would I look at the link? it's in the same post you quoted from me did you read? I already named SR3 for running well on PS3 before you posted.
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because teh cell is so super powerful it can't do games

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]The Infamous games are open world and run perfectly fineStatusShuffle
Infamous 2 made a few compromises.

What compromises?

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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

crimsonman1245

PT1, GTAIV, RDR, DR2, HUNTED, ETC.

I didnt have any problems with RDR other than freezing once or twice.

Because it has significantly less AA (maybe none at all?), simply so that it could run at a reasonable framerate.
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]The Infamous games are open world and run perfectly fineStatusShuffle
Infamous 2 made a few compromises.

Such as?
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Yes it really is, you would have to be dumb to not think Yakuza is not scriped. it's also not event heavy or have much effects either, it's more like walking around and empty down to you have scripted A.I. fight with you without much changing in how the A.I. works.

Every game is scripted to some degree. But Yakuza isn't scripted like cod or uncharted. Now, you asked for an open world game. I gave one. Aparrently it does not meet your requirements. Fine by me.

it has issues to even be running. That's what we are addressing, it's in the thread title. Just because it's not scripted like Uncharted, which is a LINEAR GAME IDIOT, does not me it;s not scripted. If Yakuza wasn't scripted and limited the A.I. to a certain field it would explode. not to mention how it lacks many events or other outside interaction so it's basically you running around an empty map attacking people. Those are compromises, it's an open worl games that;s scripted and has issues and makes compromises clear as the sun is in space.

Like I said, every game is scripted to some degree. I just responded to your request of a smooth running,open world game. Yakuza 4, for example. But I see you're well on your way of shooting down every suggestion made. Don't bother with the insults. They bore me. Oh,don't respond saying the same stuff all over again. I find it boring to retype what I've already posted.
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Every game is scripted to some degree. But Yakuza isn't scripted like cod or uncharted. Now, you asked for an open world game. I gave one. Aparrently it does not meet your requirements. Fine by me.

it has issues to even be running. That's what we are addressing, it's in the thread title. Just because it's not scripted like Uncharted, which is a LINEAR GAME IDIOT, does not me it;s not scripted. If Yakuza wasn't scripted and limited the A.I. to a certain field it would explode. not to mention how it lacks many events or other outside interaction so it's basically you running around an empty map attacking people. Those are compromises, it's an open worl games that;s scripted and has issues and makes compromises clear as the sun is in space.

Like I said, every game is scripted to some degree. I just responded to your request of a smooth running,open world game. Yakuza 4, for example. But I see you're well on your way of shooting down every suggestion made. Don't bother with the insults. They bore me. Oh,don't respond saying the same stuff all over again. I find it boring to retype what I've already posted.

It does nt run smooth go read some reviews there's issues all over the game especially with random slowdown. I am not shooting down your suggestion your a fanboy of a game and won't admit it has problems. leaving the thread would be best for you as you can't handle having an objective conversation. Also there's a difference between having scripts by SOME DEGREE and haivng whole sections filled with scripts and every fight being SCRIPTED. So no, if you want to continue acting like a fan boy shoo because there's something wrong with you. Come back when you can take criticism with your buttsex game.
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#47 StatusShuffle
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[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]The Infamous games are open world and run perfectly fineManeil99

Infamous 2 made a few compromises.

What compromises?

Compression, slowdown, slight lack of responsiveness actions you do, it doesn't actually read input immediately.
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#48 StatusShuffle
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360 has more useable memory than the Ps3 due to the Ps3 having a bloated OS of 50MB, Xbox 360 OS overhead is only 32MB and thats with reserve space left for further updates, split memory architecture is another of the Ps3's problems which is the main reason that Skyrim does not run as well as on the Ps3.delta3074
What about SR3 thought? Why did that run well but GTAIV did not?
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#49 TheEroica  Moderator
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Who cares about those types of games when you get movies like Heavy Rain? All you guys need to know is ps4 is locked and loaded. Strap it on, slap your momma, and get ready. Day fukin one! Get ready for more scripted, linear, world class, barn busting, spreadsheet busting exclusives. I would also like to say a special shout out to Ken Kutaragi. Your vision of high priced hardware with a hint of arrogance has put the Playstation brand on life support. Thank you Ken. We are forever grateful. todd2r_Partdeux
You sir have mastered the art of heil posting... you do it as if it were a science. "Slap your momma"? Nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Excellent post.
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#50 Maneil99
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[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Infamous 2 made a few compromises.StatusShuffle

What compromises?

Compression, slowdown, slight lack of responsiveness actions you do, it doesn't actually read input immediately.

Any articles to back this up or just you making stuff up, slowdown occurs at somepoint in EVERY game even on PC