Why are non-scripted open-world games not possible on the PS3? (or have issues)

[QUOTE="Maneil99"]

[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] Infamous 2 made a few compromises.StatusShuffle

Split memory. 256MB dedicated RAM for the GPU sounds like a great idea, until you realize the system itself is left with only 256MB memory too...charizard1605

show us a better looking linear game from the 360raskullibur

[QUOTE="raskullibur"]show us a better looking linear game from the 360shadiezz2012

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="raskullibur"]show us a better looking linear game from the 360DarkLink77

that's uncharted 3 sorry

and it already won all the consoles gfx awards last year

what gears 3 did won last year again ???

and the last of us look even better than uncharted 3

and it's a wide linear game like MGS4

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] i was going to say that too the linear games on xbox like halo/gears/forza still can't beat ps3 exclusives (the same linear ones)shadiezz2012

that's uncharted 3 sorry

and it already won all the consoles gfx awards last year

what gears 3 did won last year again ???

and the last of us look even better than uncharted 3

and it's a wide linear game like MGS4

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Gears 3 looks just as good as Uncharted 2, which is the best looking PS3 game.DarkLink77

that's uncharted 3 sorry

and it already won all the consoles gfx awards last year

what gears 3 did won last year again ???

and the last of us look even better than uncharted 3

and it's a wide linear game like MGS4

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"]

that's uncharted 3 sorry

and it already won all the consoles gfx awards last year

what gears 3 did won last year again ???

and the last of us look even better than uncharted 3

and it's a wide linear game like MGS4

shadiezz2012

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Are you kidding? Uncharted 3 looks worse in several ways. Awards don't matter. Crysis 2 on PC (and some would say, on consoles, either way, it's far more technically impressive) looks far better than both, but it didn't win nearly the amount of awards that Uncharted 3 did. And TLOU is impressive, but it's not out yet, so it's moot.DarkLink77

where are those people and where did DF said that ???

this is from DF vs uncharted 3

" Uncharted 3 is peerless and unparalleled is in its ability to defy the technological constraints of current-generation platforms, which raises an interesting question about whether ideas are the real premium now over and above the technological arms race that has powered current-gen console game development."

and even the first comment which got alot of +

said this :

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

Cheleman

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

delta3074

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

delta3074

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

delta3074

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

Cheleman

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

shadiezz2012

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I bet you if Bethesda actually spent a little more time with the PS3 version of their games they could figure out how to make them work, its simple lazyness of their part, not to mention they got this little deal down with MS which only adds to the problem.

Besides, can anyone actually name another game that runs significally worst on the PS3 this days...? cus I think you people are blowing this whole multiplats thing out of proportion.

Cheleman

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Although i agree that bethesda are mainly to blame for the Ps3 version of Skyrim you cannot let SONY off of the hook completely because the main reason they cannot get the Ps3 version to work as well is because The Ps3 has less useable memory due to the larger OS overhead and the split memory architecture, there just simply isn't the Room left in the RAM to load a large save file and the problem cannot be patched because it would involve re-writing large parts of the engine itself, they should never have released a Ps3 version of skyrim.delta3074

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Although i agree that bethesda are mainly to blame for the Ps3 version of Skyrim you cannot let SONY off of the hook completely because the main reason they cannot get the Ps3 version to work as well is because The Ps3 has less useable memory due to the larger OS overhead and the split memory architecture, there just simply isn't the Room left in the RAM to load a large save file and the problem cannot be patched because it would involve re-writing large parts of the engine itself, they should never have released a Ps3 version of skyrim.shadiezz2012

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

you got something against salami?:evil:

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I agree, Sony should go with something a little more dev friendly next gen, but come on man... Its 2012, Bethesda should have figured out how to make it work by now:P

campzor

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="delta3074"]Although i agree that bethesda are mainly to blame for the Ps3 version of Skyrim you cannot let SONY off of the hook completely because the main reason they cannot get the Ps3 version to work as well is because The Ps3 has less useable memory due to the larger OS overhead and the split memory architecture, there just simply isn't the Room left in the RAM to load a large save file and the problem cannot be patched because it would involve re-writing large parts of the engine itself, they should never have released a Ps3 version of skyrim.delta3074

I love how morons blame the PS3 hardware...

It's the lazy developer. Bethesda is known for their incompetence.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="delta3074"]No it isn't because you are not taking into account OS overhead, the OS on the PS3 takes 50MB of RAM in the 360 The OS overhead is only 32MB which gives the xbox 360 18MB more useable memory than the Ps3, john carmack himself ststed that the memory on the Ps3 was a little tighter because of the increased over heads, plus, the split memory architecture is an issue, let me explain, let me explain, lets say that Skyrim takes 460MB to run, on the 360 that leaves 512MB-32MB-460MB=20MB to load a svegame too, on the Ps3 512MB-50MB-480=2MB to load a savegame to but bcause the memory is split that would only leave 1 MB in each pool to load the savegame to and you can't load it to both on the 360 you can load it anywhere in the RAM.delta3074

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

I love how morons blame the PS3 hardware...

It's the lazy developer. Bethesda is known for their incompetence.

sts106mat

Just Cause 2 is a non-scripted and open world game, and it runs beautifully on PS3. Can you explain that?

See. It's nothing to do with the PS3 hardware. It's Bethesda's totally incompetence.

The best looking PS# games are linear and a lot of which are extremely scripted. Yet most open ended games don't run well, skip the PS3 entirely, or the PS3 has many technical issues like A.I. hiccups, compressed animation, missing certain features in the environment, etc. Now why is this? Is the Cell that restricted? Or is the GPU that weak that the Cell can't actually use it for bigger areas and more events?StatusShuffle

Sigh, it's not all open world games, it's just Skyrim, it's one game, and it's not because of the PS3's hardware, it's because Bethesda is lazy.

Here is a list of open world games on PS3 that I have played that run fine:

• Grand Theft Auto IV
• Grand Theft Auto Episodes from Liberty City
• Saints Row 2
• Saints Row The Third
• Assassin's Creed
• Assassin's Creed II
• Prototype
• Red Dead Redemption
• Mafia II (it's not really an open world game, but it does have an explorable city)
• Just Cause 2
• Far Cry 2
• InFamous
• The Saboteur
• Burnout Paradise
• Skate 3
• Midnight Club Los Angeles

Also, stop holding shift when typing numbers.

I love how morons blame the PS3 hardware...

It's the lazy developer. Bethesda is known for their incompetence.

GamerwillzPS

Who gives a crap about graphics?Sali217

inFamous 2 looks and plays very well. Oblivion looks and plays better on PS3 than Xbox too... I think is just the developers that don't want to invest time on it.

[QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

What are these open ended games you speak of that dont run well,please name them.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] i was going to say that too the linear games on xbox like halo/gears/forza still can't beat ps3 exclusives (the same linear ones)shadiezz2012

that's uncharted 3 sorry

and it already won all the consoles gfx awards last year

what gears 3 did won last year again ???

and the last of us look even better than uncharted 3

and it's a wide linear game like MGS4

Gears 3 looks great. But, I think UC3 has the edge. Other sites thought the same thing too last year.

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="delta3074"]No other open world game has savefiles as big as skyrim, i think a lot of people are missing the point, Skyrim has more going on behind the scenes than most open world games, most open world games you cannot interact with absolutely every object within the enviroment, The game has to remember where every single object in the game world is down to the tiniest little spoon , Not a problem, it becomes a problem when ANY of those objects are moved and the game has to remember where it was moved too, the more you 'mess around' with the enviroment and move things the bigger the save file gets because there is more the game needs to 'remember' The one and only real problem with the Ps3 is that the savefiles get too big to be loaded to the available memory that is left when the game is running and to solve the problem would mean rewriting parts of the engine itself, instead they put a 30 day area reset algorithmn into the game which means it only has to' remember' things for 30 game days then everyhting is reset apart from objects you have dropped from your inventory but that will only delay the inevitable, Obviously given the time they could rewrite the engine for the Ps3 but they cannot patch existing copies, PS3 owners would have to go out and buy the game again so quite frankly it's not something thats actually worth fixing And i stand buy what i said about bethesda being mostly to Blame but not because they are Lazy because they Knew it wasn't going to work properly yet they still released a broken game and took peoples hard earned cash for something they knew was a broken product and unlike konami they have not offered Ps3 owners any suitable compensation for there troubles, if they couldn't get it to work properly they should not have released it in the first place, the fallout NV thing just makes what they did worse, Fallout NV had the same savefile issue that skyrim Had so they already knew there was a problem with the engine on the Ps3, this is why i think Valve didn't release Left4dead on the Ps3, they knew that after the performance issues with HL2 orange box on the Ps3 that the Ps3 was obviously not suited to running the source engine and they didn't want to waste Ps3 owners time, better not to sell someone a product at all than to sell someone a product thats broken.delta3074

What's ironic is that the PS3 version of Oblivion looks and performs better than the 360 version. And that port job was done not by Bethesda but by another team. When another team can get THEIR OWN game to run smoothly but they can't seem to do the same it shows that Bathesda is obviously lacking the programming talent to work on more than one platform.

LA Noire was open world and Looks and performs better on PS3. Same with Prototype. And inFamous2 frequently jumps to 60 FPS.

If 360's ram is so superior why were so many of it's exclusives like Alan wake and Halo in Sub HD? Why was the 360 version of FF13 in sub HD?

Lemmings stop spreading lies just go back to playing your no game having Kinect flailin DVD player.