Why Are People Justifying M$ Charging For Used Games?

Well the latest news it seems that there will not be any fee. Right now there is alot we do not know and claiming ownage is very premature. (Like Sony's pre own plan)

Chaos_HL21

The latest reports is there is no fee for the gamer but instead only the store selling the used game, so places like Gamestop are the only ones paying a fee. I think they should have been paying a fee from the start.CanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Fvck Sony if they do what Microsoft is doing, but that hasn't been established yet. The difference is, you lemmings are denying stuff about internet requirements, and basically saying "well Sony is probably gunna do it too, so it's ok". It's not okay and normal people never said it was, regardless of who's doing it.

Bigboi500

Sony said PS4 does not require an internet connection to function, so it's already a champion in consumer rights compared to that nightmare of a system you lemrats are supporting.

lol.. please show me a thread (that I made) where I supported always online.. I'll wait.  Infact I've stated many times that I'm leaning towards buying a PS4.  I (like many others) am not a supporter of this practice however, I do point out that both companies seem to be traveling down the same path.  It's just that Sony is being very coy about the subject.. and wisely so.

As I said.. cows have their heads buried deeply within the far reaches of Sony's crotch, that they can't see that NO ONE's supporting this.  You can either accept that or continue to remain buried. 

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-preowned-plan-revealed-6408850 end threadthedork_knight

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Honestly,

ALL these fees, including DLC (unless it is a huge substantial addition), Online fees for multiplayer, used games fees are complete and utter BS. If I pay 60-70 bucks to play a game I want all the content available from the very beginning. I should not be required to pay any fees whatsoever to use every facet of a game that I purchased. I own the game, and if I'm not violating any copyright laws, then I should be able to do what I want with MY game. When Microsoft or SONY or Nintendo start paying my bills then they can do what they feel.

Fanboys pure and simple. There are no reason why it should be done and it is bad for all gamers. I for one do get pre owned games now and again. Normally When I have a selection of games to play through like I have at the moment as I have Bioshock, AC3 for xbox and the mass effect trilogy and hitman to complete on PS3. after doing so I will be trading them in and depending what games are out at the moment depends if it will go towards a preowned game or a new one. I haven't played gears of war 2 + 3 so will pick them up pre owned probs but I have already got GTA ordered online and set for first class. It all depends whats out and what I haven't yet played. but yeah Microsoft are nothing but grabbing more money by asking you to pay again on a game that has already paid for itself its a complete cheek. ziggyww

Xfans/Lemmings = Mindless drones that justify everything MS does and tells everyone Sony has to do the same. 

To make things more fun/interesting if/when Sony also adopts similar policies. FastEddie2121

Because Sony has to do it since MS did it, right?! If Sony does it, it will be because the game developers have forced it and not Sony's idea. 

The latest reports is there is no fee for the gamer but instead only the store selling the used game, so places like Gamestop are the only ones paying a fee. I think they should have been paying a fee from the start.CanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]The latest reports is there is no fee for the gamer but instead only the store selling the used game, so places like Gamestop are the only ones paying a fee. I think they should have been paying a fee from the start.Sali217

[QUOTE="darksusperia"][QUOTE="WitIsWisdom"]

That doesn't make any damn sense at all...

SONY will do whatever the hell they want to do... It is not up to the devs. You really think the devs wont release games on the PS4 because of different policies? Especially if SONY has a larger install base? Man people are ignorant.

Different companies have different policies. Microsofts policies will most likely not be followed by SONY especially after they already confirmed used games would exist. The most likely ting is that SONY will use online passes with the devs who want them. I have no problme paying $10 to activate an online pass... that is WAY different then one account per game and full price if you want a different account.

SONY has already said they would "do the right thing" everybody knows what the righ thing is... MS is NOT doing the right thing. MS's NEW game sales will suffer because of their policy. SONY will sell MORE new games by keeping used games in the mix because they will have the larger fanbase this gen.

Midnightshade29

[QUOTE="Sali217"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]The latest reports is there is no fee for the gamer but instead only the store selling the used game, so places like Gamestop are the only ones paying a fee. I think they should have been paying a fee from the start.II_Seraphim_II

this affect people who buy used games. as for me i never got usded games always ge my games new. but i will be angry if i was a used game buyer

Honestly, I see more lems hoping that Sony will do the same rather than trying to justify it.

1: you can sell the disc

2: the material on the disc is a licence  

THE REAL question is 

Why Are People Justifying M$ Charging For xbox live when they don't even run the servers?

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

Heroldp813

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

nobody complains when the downloaded games cant be sold . physical media is dead dudes. it died for music, its dying in movies, and in games.  The fact is used games hurt profits of publishers/devs. Your profitibility will be based on whether people keep or sell your game. No other industry has to worry about competing with others who are selling its own product for less than they do.

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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]The latest reports is there is no fee for the gamer but instead only the store selling the used game, so places like Gamestop are the only ones paying a fee. I think they should have been paying a fee from the start.CanYouDiglt

This is still bad because of this:

1. The cost will be past on to the buyer, by way of higher prices.. you think stores are going to eat the cost? No way in hell.

2. Individual sales will not be allowed, so say goodbye to ebay , craigslist etc... as there is no real store there.

3. you can't sell to your freind

4. you won't be able to lend the game out

5. a person on a different system in your house can't use the game without buying it.

The whole 24 hour connection bs supports everything above, store paying the fee or not.

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

StormyJoe

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

StormyJoe

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

It's called brand loyalty.

It makes no sense, especially when you aren't getting anything in return.

Do we still have to pay to unlock the ability to play our games online? I haven't heard anyone mention this. This would be a shame in 2013 and since they're charging us for used games I don't see how everyone can be okay with this. I'll never understand how people can blindly suck up MS while they're doing all this anti-consumer stuff.

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[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

Bigboi500

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

It makes no sense, especially when you aren't getting anything in return.ReadingRainbow4

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[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That's dumb. I'm a carpenter, when I build a bookcase or a bunk bed I sell it one time, and don't expect the people who buy it on every re-sell to pay me more money.

Bigboi500

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[QUOTE="Cranler"] Do you invest millions into the making of the bunkbeds and bookcases? Did you build the house and sell it at a loss so they would have a place to use the bunkbed? Can a brand new bunkbed be bought 1 year after release for a 5th of the original price?Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Yes. Yes. Maybe.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] If you sell them one at a time then you cant be running some huge furniture company. Why would you need to invest millions into a few peices of wood and nails? Only time people lose on a new house is if the house goes into foreclosure. Evrey house you make is a foreclosure? Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]When did I say I only sell "a few peices of wood and nails" ? Are you aware of the state of the housing market?

Bigboi500

Bottom line is consumers have rights. If you have to piss on those rights in order to turn a profit, it's time to think of a new business strategy. Which isn't true in the slightest; the gaming industry is plenty profitable. They just want even more money.

Ginosaji

when will people realize that it is not microsoft but the ENTIRE industry that is doing this. I'm going to laugh hysterically when PS4 announces its used games policy.NFJSupreme

when will people realize that it is not microsoft but the ENTIRE industry that is doing this. I'm going to laugh hysterically when PS4 announces its used games policy.NFJSupreme

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]when will people realize that it is not microsoft but the ENTIRE industry that is doing this. I'm going to laugh hysterically when PS4 announces its used games policy.whathursthemost

Whatever makes you sleep at night.  

The industry is going towards digital downloads and controlled used games services.  That is what is happening.  These people need to be able to make money or everything you know and love about gaming will collapse.  Its very hard to turn a profit in the industry in todays world.  Video game budgets are similar to movie budgets now.  Not just on the high end but even the low end.  The difference is movie makers make about half of their money on the back end through dvd sales and royalties from tv and cable.  Video game makers make almost no money on the back end and have hope to do big initially or they may never make money on their project.  They have tried to curb this with DLC but even that in itself costs money.  Meanwhile there is an entire sub-industry of used game sales of THEIR intelectual property that they see no earnings from.  Why are you shocked that they want to figure out a way to get a piece of that pie?

[QUOTE="whathursthemost"][QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]when will people realize that it is not microsoft but the ENTIRE industry that is doing this. I'm going to laugh hysterically when PS4 announces its used games policy.NFJSupreme

Whatever makes you sleep at night.  

The industry is going towards digital downloads and controlled used games services.  That is what is happening.  These people need to be able to make money or everything you know and love about gaming will collapse.  Its very hard to turn a profit in the industry in todays world.  Video game budgets are similar to movie budgets now.  Not just on the high end but even the low end.  The difference is movie makers make about half of their money on the back end through dvd sales and royalties from tv and cable.  Video game makers make almost no money on the back end and have hope to do big initially or they may never make money on their project.  They have tried to curb this with DLC but even that in itself costs money.  Meanwhile there is an entire sub-industry of used game sales of THEIR intelectual property that they see no earnings from.  Why are you shocked that they want to figure out a way to get a piece of that pie?

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[QUOTE="whathursthemost"] or when will people realize this is exactly what Xbox fans are praying for just so you won't be owned all alone. whathursthemost

Whatever makes you sleep at night.  

The industry is going towards digital downloads and controlled used games services.  That is what is happening.  These people need to be able to make money or everything you know and love about gaming will collapse.  Its very hard to turn a profit in the industry in todays world.  Video game budgets are similar to movie budgets now.  Not just on the high end but even the low end.  The difference is movie makers make about half of their money on the back end through dvd sales and royalties from tv and cable.  Video game makers make almost no money on the back end and have hope to do big initially or they may never make money on their project.  They have tried to curb this with DLC but even that in itself costs money.  Meanwhile there is an entire sub-industry of used game sales of THEIR intelectual property that they see no earnings from.  Why are you shocked that they want to figure out a way to get a piece of that pie?

It may or may not help but understand that they WILL figure out a way to monitize used games even if this initial push fails.  Its going to happen.  It HAS to happen.  

Now as far as all the camera and server stuff.  That is what Microsoft is doing and I'm of the mindset of wait and see with them right now.  It could work and we could all love it or it could be a disaster.  Who knows.  We'll get a better idea at E3.  But just remember most people aren't core gamers.  Of all the none core gamers I have talked to ever last one of them loves the new xbox.