Why Are People Justifying M$ Charging For Used Games?

When will people realize in the console industry of gaming is an oligarchy? Every single game starts at $60 and $50 the generation before. Is it just a free market coincidence that all the publishers have picked the same price to sell their software?

$74.99. That doesn't look or sound right for a game. Instead of seeing inflation just added on, like we saw for this gen, we will see it with new restrictions. The price hike from 50 to 60 this gen didn't mean the games are harder to make. It means the dollar was worth more in 2001 then in 2005. Do you really think that the technology got harder and slower from 01 to 05, so that the prices of games increased because of it? Better technology would seem to make things more streamlined. When things are streamlined prices don't increase.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That's dumb. I'm a carpenter, when I build a bookcase or a bunk bed I sell it one time, and don't expect the people who buy it on every re-sell to pay me more money.

LJS9502_basic

Do you know what intelectual property is?  Do what you want with the disk but the intelectual property on the disk doesn't belong to you.  It never did.

Once a game is in the suspended state between hard copy and digital copy, then a fee is necessary to keep devs in business.  And if you split it, then you can get a new game for four friends.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Cranler"] Do you invest millions into the making of the bunkbeds and bookcases? Did you build the house and sell it at a loss so they would have a place to use the bunkbed? Can a brand new bunkbed be bought 1 year after release for a 5th of the original price?NFJSupreme

Do you know what intelectual property is?  Do what you want with the disk but the intelectual property on the disk doesn't belong to you.  It never did.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That's dumb. I'm a carpenter, when I build a bookcase or a bunk bed I sell it one time, and don't expect the people who buy it on every re-sell to pay me more money.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Bullshit. The physical copy is sold and belongs to the purchaser. Don't like...don't make games.LJS9502_basic

Do you know what intelectual property is?  Do what you want with the disk but the intelectual property on the disk doesn't belong to you.  It never did.

Big developers/publisher are clearly supporting the Xbox one we all know that they don't get any money from used games sales I guess they worked  conjunction with Microsoft on the used game fees.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

Bottom line is consumers have rights. If you have to piss on those rights in order to turn a profit, it's time to think of a new business strategy. Which isn't true in the slightest; the gaming industry is plenty profitable. They just want even more money.

Ginosaji

Selling the console itself for profit is one of their options, though not necessarily their best. High prices and low replay value are largely to blame for how popular the used games market is. I suspect by tackling one or both of those issues they could noticeably mitigate the impact the used games market has on their bottom line, while providing a higher quality service to consumers.

But what I really don't understand is why people are misrepresenting the gaming industry as being in financial trouble, and these underhanded business practices as some kind of noble attempt to save gaming. We're talking about one of the more profitable industries in existence. They're just looking for ways to further increase those profits. We need to be sending a clear message that taking away our rights is not an option.

[QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

Bottom line is consumers have rights. If you have to piss on those rights in order to turn a profit, it's time to think of a new business strategy. Which isn't true in the slightest; the gaming industry is plenty profitable. They just want even more money.

Cranler

I taught the goal was for dev to get money back... not sony and microsoft...

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

Bottom line is consumers have rights. If you have to piss on those rights in order to turn a profit, it's time to think of a new business strategy. Which isn't true in the slightest; the gaming industry is plenty profitable. They just want even more money.

Bebi_vegeta

I taught the goal was for dev to get money back... not sony and microsoft...

[QUOTE="Cranler"] All games whether replayable or not have tons of used version available. I like open ended replayable type games but I also like scripted games like Uncharted. Trying to make all games the same isnt a good idea. Ginosaji

The reality of the situation is if your game isn't worth keeping and you price it at $60 anyway, you're practically begging for a booming used games market.

The PS4 will do the same and publishers have already been doing it for the better half of this gen. Whether you like it or not this is where the industry is moving.

 

Do you know what intelectual property is?  Do what you want with the disk but the intelectual property on the disk doesn't belong to you.  It never did.

NFJSupreme

All this rejections for charging for used games, makes me wonder, do the developers realize that they are screwing themselves by screwing the consumers? :shock:

All this rejections for charging for used games, makes me wonder, do the developers realize that they are screwing themselves by screwing the consumers? :shock:

dr_jashugan

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] If it takes 3 years to turn a profit on a new console the new busniess strategy is to take a cut on used games or sell the console for profit.Cranler

I taught the goal was for dev to get money back... not sony and microsoft...

Maybe i'm not understanding the situation, i was under the impression dev wanted more money, is Sony/Microsoft geting money for every games ? Also, Xbox selling at loss is joke with XBL being priced anyway.

So kill the rental business aswell ?

No CORPORATION deserves trust ever!!!

Show me an example of a game you think is good and lets see how many used copies are available on ebay and amazon. Cranler

Lemmings enjoy getting Xboned by M$.

heeweesRus

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

 

Do you know what intelectual property is?  Do what you want with the disk but the intelectual property on the disk doesn't belong to you.  It never did.

darksusperia

[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

Lemmings enjoy getting Xboned by M$.

donalbane

[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]

Lemmings enjoy getting Xboned by M$.

Zero_epyon

The fee for used games is awful and not something I would support on any system. That said, I'm a little bit surprised that Xbox 360 users are as upset about it as they are. I mean, they are already paying for Xbox Live Gold. This is small potatoes in comparison.PurpleMan5000

Some are emotionally attached to a piece of plastic. Heil68

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

Cranler

Everything MS does they justify. The normal reaction would be to act bothered that they have to pay out more for gaming. So I guess they're not normal. MS drones they must be. 

people does the same if Sony follows that path, so what i do wonder is, What is the logic behind that o-o? the-obiwan

I say BS if sony makes me pay to play online or I have to pay fees for used games. I don't defend bad business practices that make gaming more expensive for gamers. 

See, MS fans also believe Sony fans react the same way they do. News flash, we don't!!!!

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]people does the same if Sony follows that path, so what i do wonder is, What is the logic behind that o-o? clr84651

I say BS if sony makes me pay to play online or I have to pay fees for used games. I don't defend bad business practices that make gaming more expensive for gamers. 

See, MS fans also believe Sony fans react the same way they do. News flash, we don't!!!!

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

Sali217

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

You are not buying a game - you are buying a license. Software has always been this way. If you go to a bar, and play a song on the jukebox (or have a cover band), the owner of that bar pays royalties to the artists via a monthly fee to the ASCAP. There is no difference.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

Bigboi500

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

You are not buying a game - you are buying a license. Software has always been this way. If you go to a bar, and play a song on the jukebox (or have a cover band), the owner of that bar pays royalties to the artists via a monthly fee to the ASCAP. There is no difference.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Because you are not buying the game; you are buying a license. I write software, and I would be p*ssed if someone who purchased one of my apps and then sold it to someone else and I did not get any financial benefit.

The only software industry that lets people get away with it is the console gaming industry.

StormyJoe

You are not buying a game - you are buying a license. Software has always been this way. If you go to a bar, and play a song on the jukebox (or have a cover band), the owner of that bar pays royalties to the artists via a monthly fee to the ASCAP. There is no difference.