Why Are People Justifying M$ Charging For Used Games?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Sali217"] I guarantee you they would not win. As basically what software companies are doing is side stepping the first sales doctrine. That little black print on the back of the box wouldn't hold up at all. It's nice that software companies want to sell you a product and call it a license, but it's similar to TOS. They often won't hold up to the superior court. The right of first sale is federally protected in the US.PurpleMan5000

Regardless of whether or not you think it's fair, that's how it is. If the EULA says you are buying a non-transferable license, then that is what you are doing.

Jaywalking is illegal, but when is the last time you saw someone get a ticket for it?

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] First sale is indeed protected in both the US and the EU, but it only applies to goods, not copyright. The courts have made some progress with this in regards to books and CDs. Their logic is that your copy is yours to do with as you wish, so long as it's not reproduction. So if you want to sell your CD to someone else, you are allowed to. But if the publisher has a magical ability to make that CD not work for anyone other than you, the person they sold it to, they are well within their rights to do that. Tl;dr - you can sell your games. But publishers are under no obligation to honor that sale. The person you sold it to can take it home and have an error message pop up saying 'sorry - nope', and that's perfectly fine. Publishers cannot be compelled to endorse your re-selling. StormyJoe

Regardless of whether or not you think it's fair, that's how it is. If the EULA says you are buying a non-transferable license, then that is what you are doing.

Jaywalking is illegal, but when is the last time you saw someone get a ticket for it?

I also have seen a group of guys get tickets for jaywalking when they were leaving a bar at 2:00 am. Cops are just the worst sometimes.

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[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] This is true, but that's not the same thing at all as saying that a publisher could successfully sue you for reselling a video game just because they say you can't in some non-binding EULA.PurpleMan5000

Regardless of whether or not you think it's fair, that's how it is. If the EULA says you are buying a non-transferable license, then that is what you are doing.

Jaywalking is illegal, but when is the last time you saw someone get a ticket for it?

I also have seen a group of guys get tickets for jaywalking when they were leaving a bar at 2:00 am. Cops are just the worst sometimes.

You own the disc. That is true. You do not own what is on it. You own a non-transferable license of what is on it.

You really saw someone get a ticket for jaywalking? That sucks! :o

They're called lemmings for a reason.kuraimen

This is far bigger than system wars. Doesn't matter what faction your affiliated with, Blocking or charging a 2nd fee for used games is wrong and according to the First sale Doctrine illegal to. I own an Xbox and an Xbox 360 and unless M.S. changes their policy on this I will definitely NOT buy the Xbox1. I just can't understand how any one thinks the Video Game Industry deserves a special set of rules for it. ALL types of businesses file for bankruptcy. That is how the economy works. Companies that are POORLY managed or don't provide a service or product that people desire or need are meant to close allowing better managed companies to absorb the business left behind and thrive.

Because most consumers are idiots and uninformed and just want their fix.  They will hand their money over to microsoft so microsoft can build more capital and buy up more stuff and charge you more for it.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Legislation is irrelevant when EULA are in play.nethernova

This^^^ Legislation is Greater than EULA and ALWAYS will be. Any one that doesn't think so is crazy.

The only way EULA is enforceable is IF there is a CONTRACT signed by the buyer upon purchase. That means the buyer will have to read a contract and ALL its terms before signing it and making the purchase. That also means any one under the age of 18 in the USA won't be allowed to sign an EULA contract.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]They're called lemmings for a reason.EG101

This is far bigger than system wars. Doesn't matter what faction your affiliated with, Blocking or charging a 2nd fee for used games is wrong and according to the First sale Doctrine illegal to. I own an Xbox and an Xbox 360 and unless M.S. changes their policy on this I will definitely NOT buy the Xbox1. I just can't understand how any one thinks the Video Game Industry deserves a special set of rules for it. ALL types of businesses file for bankruptcy. That is how the economy works. Companies that are POORLY managed or don't provide a service or product that people desire or need are meant to close allowing better managed companies to absorb the business left behind and thrive.

By saying that you don't want the publishers/developers for games to get a cut of the re-sale money, you are saying you want video game industry to play by a special set of rules. Licenses are non-transferable. It's like saying "it's legal for me to sell my copy of MS-Office to my neighbor".

microsoft plays by a different set of rules.  They've paid people off in court to change the rules and license their products where they keep ownership even if they sell it.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]They're called lemmings for a reason.StormyJoe

This is far bigger than system wars. Doesn't matter what faction your affiliated with, Blocking or charging a 2nd fee for used games is wrong and according to the First sale Doctrine illegal to. I own an Xbox and an Xbox 360 and unless M.S. changes their policy on this I will definitely NOT buy the Xbox1. I just can't understand how any one thinks the Video Game Industry deserves a special set of rules for it. ALL types of businesses file for bankruptcy. That is how the economy works. Companies that are POORLY managed or don't provide a service or product that people desire or need are meant to close allowing better managed companies to absorb the business left behind and thrive.

By saying that you don't want the publishers/developers for games to get a cut of the re-sale money, you are saying you want video game industry to play by a special set of rules. Licenses are non-transferable. It's like saying "it's legal for me to sell my copy of MS-Office to my neighbor".

licensing and exclusivity is a greedy dirty game.  These companies have played the victim for years blaming piracy when if they made a better product in the first place this wouldnt be a problem.  It's like designing a car that gets stolen and then blaming someone else for faulty engineering.  the nfl has been killing innovation in the sports gaming market for years because they are greedy pigs.

Greedy people don't like to share.  MS is basically spreading like a virus at this point.

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[QUOTE="EG101"]

This is far bigger than system wars. Doesn't matter what faction your affiliated with, Blocking or charging a 2nd fee for used games is wrong and according to the First sale Doctrine illegal to. I own an Xbox and an Xbox 360 and unless M.S. changes their policy on this I will definitely NOT buy the Xbox1. I just can't understand how any one thinks the Video Game Industry deserves a special set of rules for it. ALL types of businesses file for bankruptcy. That is how the economy works. Companies that are POORLY managed or don't provide a service or product that people desire or need are meant to close allowing better managed companies to absorb the business left behind and thrive.

PurpleMan5000

By saying that you don't want the publishers/developers for games to get a cut of the re-sale money, you are saying you want video game industry to play by a special set of rules. Licenses are non-transferable. It's like saying "it's legal for me to sell my copy of MS-Office to my neighbor".

No it's not. I am in IT. If my company got audited, and they found a copy of software that we did not purchase from a vendor or from the development house themselves, we would be in license violation. The excuse "but the copy was owned by me and I uninstalled it from home" would get me a nice pat on the head as we were being fined $50K.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]By saying that you don't want the publishers/developers for games to get a cut of the re-sale money, you are saying you want video game industry to play by a special set of rules. Licenses are non-transferable. It's like saying "it's legal for me to sell my copy of MS-Office to my neighbor".

Ginosaji

Now the first sale doctrine is considered a special set of rules? Yikes. The future is looking pretty bleak for consumers with people like you around.

The whole "it's not a product, it's a license" line is a cop out they use to side-step a law that virtually every other industry has to obey. Frankly the only reason they can get away with it is because we let them.

FIrst Sale Doctorine has never applied to software. In fact, it is rarely applied to digital media.

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[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]By saying that you don't want the publishers/developers for games to get a cut of the re-sale money, you are saying you want video game industry to play by a special set of rules. Licenses are non-transferable. It's like saying "it's legal for me to sell my copy of MS-Office to my neighbor".

StormyJoe

Now the first sale doctrine is considered a special set of rules? Yikes. The future is looking pretty bleak for consumers with people like you around.

The whole "it's not a product, it's a license" line is a cop out they use to side-step a law that virtually every other industry has to obey. Frankly the only reason they can get away with it is because we let them.

FIrst Sale Doctorine has never applied to software. In fact, it is rarely applied to digital media.

Some are emotionally attached to a piece of plastic. Heil68

Just like you Heli, just like you lol

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]Nope.

Bigboi500

Bottom line is that anyone who supports this fee is a sheep. A mindless sheep.

These developers and gaming companies really do have a good amount of us brainwashed.

Bottom line is that anyone who supports this fee is a sheep. A mindless sheep.

 

These developers and gaming companies really do have a good amount of us brainwashed.

sHaDyCuBe321

Funny thing is people are still justifying this..... Why?

I could care less what MS or Sony or whomever does about used games. The guys that'll feel the effects of that are retailers like Gamestop. What effect is it gonna have on me? I do, however, have a big problem with not being able to loan games to friends and family. That's where it becomes bs.

Because they're disgusting fanboys who would give away their consumer rights and privacy if it meant Microsoft made a few more bucks. Why? I don't know, but it puts the human race in a bad light.

[QUOTE="sHaDyCuBe321"]

Bottom line is that anyone who supports this fee is a sheep. A mindless sheep.

 

These developers and gaming companies really do have a good amount of us brainwashed.

Heroldp813

Funny thing is people are still justifying this..... Why?

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[QUOTE="sHaDyCuBe321"]

Bottom line is that anyone who supports this fee is a sheep. A mindless sheep.

 

These developers and gaming companies really do have a good amount of us brainwashed.

Videodogg

Funny thing is people are still justifying this..... Why?

Lol, some of you guys are overreacting and I don't get it. Why does it matter to you who gets the money from used games? Whether it goes to Gamestop or it goes to publishers what has that got to do with you? Sure, I understand being POed about not being able to loan games to people you know as that bothers me as well. But when it comes to the selling of used games I fail to see how it freakin' matters to the consumer if Gamestop is the one making the majority of the cash from the transactions or if its publishers. Sometimes I wonder if a large volume of these complaints might not be coming from pirates rather than from purchasers of used games. Licenses and online checks and such might make piracy more difficult I suppose. But when it comes to buying used games what would change as far you're concerned? You could still walk into a retailer and buy or sell a used game like before. The only thing that would be different is the retailer wouldn't make a ton of cash on the transaction like they do now. And why should anyone other than retailers care about that?

I dont get it. Its not okay regardless of how you try to put it.

Heroldp813

Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).CRUSHER88

Exactly. A lot of these guys are just being hysterical. Not being able to swap games with my buddies bugs the hell out of me. But publishers and MS getting money instead of Gamestop when it comes to used game sales? What does that have to do with me?

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit.Ginosaji

Retailers will increase prices to make up the difference. It ultimately comes out of our pockets.

Microsoft has the used games market by the balls now. They can manipulate prices and pull the plug whenever they want. It's as good as dead.

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit.Ginosaji

Retailers will increase prices to make up the difference. It ultimately comes out of our pockets.

Microsoft has the used games market by the balls now. They can manipulate prices and pull the plug whenever they want. It's as good as dead.

How the hell could they possibly charge more? The difference between new and used is a measly $5!!!!!!! They charge $55 for used versions of newer games. Sure, ya can find other stuff in the store that is less than $55 but those are games where the prices on the new versions have been dramatically slashed as well. The difference still ends up being in the neighborhood of a paltry 5 bucks. Charging more than they do now is flippin' impossible. The only thing that'll change is that the retailers won't be making money hand over fist on used game sales and employees at Gamestop might stop begging you to buy used instead. Thank God for the latter part.

Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).CRUSHER88

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).LJS9502_basic

In this case that's wrong. Used game stores already charge as much for used games as is possible. Consumers won't pay more for used. But somebody will indeed lose. That somebody will be Gamestop and other stores like it. They might even go out of business. And really I could care less.

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[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit.Wickerman777

Retailers will increase prices to make up the difference. It ultimately comes out of our pockets.

Microsoft has the used games market by the balls now. They can manipulate prices and pull the plug whenever they want. It's as good as dead.

How the hell could they possibly charge more? The difference between new and used is a measly $5!!!!!!! They charge $55 for used versions of newer games. Sure, ya can find other stuff in the store that is less than $55 but those are games where the prices on the new versions have been dramatically slashed as well. The difference still ends up being in the neighborhood of a paltry 5 bucks. Charging more than they do now is flippin' impossible. The only thing that'll change is that the retailers won't be making money hand over fist on used game sales and employees at Gamestop might stop begging you to buy used instead. Thank God for the latter part.

What you people are also not getting is the part when you want to sell your game, or let a friend use it. You can't wilthout the person buying the game outright at full retail price.

Example: Your friend likes your copy of Skyrim, you beat it and he has Metro Last Light that you haven't played. You swap games. Now to use that game on your system you have to pay MS the full retail price of the game, and so does your friend. The profits go to publisher and MS get's its "TAX" For doing absolutley nothing but being greedy pricks.. How can you guys justify this? How!!!?!!!??? I want to know. Has halo got you by the balls so much that you cant think of not supporting their anti-consumer policies? Really?

Or are the people who are ok with this just COD and Madden/Fifa "Bro Gamers" who only buy 1 game a year anyway? If thats the case then you guys fit right in with who M$ is targeting. Personally I buy a few games every month and want original games and sequels to established franchise and the best indies and a console with power to pull off whatever the devs want. I also enjoy the $400 dollars a year of content that I get with my optional $50 ps+ account. I also don't have to pay to play online, or look at advertisments on my console user-interface.

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[QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

Retailers will increase prices to make up the difference. It ultimately comes out of our pockets.

Microsoft has the used games market by the balls now. They can manipulate prices and pull the plug whenever they want. It's as good as dead.

Midnightshade29

How the hell could they possibly charge more? The difference between new and used is a measly $5!!!!!!! They charge $55 for used versions of newer games. Sure, ya can find other stuff in the store that is less than $55 but those are games where the prices on the new versions have been dramatically slashed as well. The difference still ends up being in the neighborhood of a paltry 5 bucks. Charging more than they do now is flippin' impossible. The only thing that'll change is that the retailers won't be making money hand over fist on used game sales and employees at Gamestop might stop begging you to buy used instead. Thank God for the latter part.

What you people are also not getting is the part when you want to sell your game, or let a friend use it. You can't wilthout the person buying the game outright at full retail price.

Example: Your friend likes your copy of Skyrim, you beat it and he has Metro Last Light that you haven't played. You swap games. Now to use that game on your system you have to pay MS the full retail price of the game, and so does your friend. The profits go to publisher and MS get's its "TAX" For doing absolutley nothing but being greedy pricks.. How can you guys justify this? How!!!?!!!??? I want to know. Has halo got you by the balls so much that you cant think of not supporting their anti-consumer policies? Really?

Or are the people who are ok with this just COD and Madden/Fifa "Bro Gamers" who only buy 1 game a year anyway? If thats the case then you guys fit right in with who M$ is targeting. Personally I buy a few games every month and want original games and sequels to established franchise and the best indies and a console with power to pull off whatever the devs want. I also enjoy the $400 dollars a year of content that I get with my optional $50 ps+ account. I also don't have to pay to play online, or look at advertisments on my console user-interface.

I read the first line of your post and it was so misguided that I stopped. How the hell can they charge more than they do now? HOW!!!! What, are they gonna charge more for used than what the new versions cost? That's the only way your opening line is even possible.

Edit: What the hell, I just went and read the rest of your post. With older games the difference between new and used can be $10-$20? Where? You must be going to some magical Gamestop because I've never seen that in any Gamestop I've been in. In every single instance when I've been in a shop that sells used games I've been able to get online and find the same game new for only around $5 more and sometimes for even the same exact price.

And yeah, I already mentioned in this thread my disdain for them taking away the ability to swap games with friends and family. That is the one part of this that pisses me off. But when it comes to used game sales I just don't care.

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).LJS9502_basic

They're called lemmings for a reason.kuraimen

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[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).Wickerman777

In this case that's wrong. Used game stores already charge as much for used games as is possible. Consumers won't pay more for used. But somebody will indeed lose. That somebody will be Gamestop and other stores like it. They might even go out of business. And really I could care less.

PLus gamestop sells obscure niche games like jrpgs and such that places like Best buy will not carry because its not the mainstream as in those stores don't speacilize in games. Mom and pops stores are few and far between and they ususally don't carry a big selection from what I have seen, mostly older 8-16bit gen games (and not the rare good ones either).

So I would hate if Gamestop goes down. It also means less exposure for games and less ways for people to buy making the profits of making games drop. The mainstream are used to going to gamestop.

Used game trade-ins serve their purpose for the industry, and some of you fail to see this.

Example: Joe wants the new Last of Us game, but only has $30.. He has 2 older games he already finished. He now has the ability to trade them in and buy the last of us new . Pushing the new game sale and putting the older game on the shelf used...most likley games that have already made their initial first month sales anyway. This is how a lot of people afford new games. You take that away people won't buy as many new games and the market shrinks. Don't say online either, as most people don't buy their games on the interent. Thats mostly forum dwellers but the mainstream doesn't do that and I myself only do that with imports, as I want my games right away not waiting in the mail Plus its nice for midnight launhes and stuff and Gamestop is a nice place to meat other gamers. I would be upset if the went out of business!

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Fun fact....when a business has added cost that cost is passed on to the consumers. Business 101.

Midnightshade29

In this case that's wrong. Used game stores already charge as much for used games as is possible. Consumers won't pay more for used. But somebody will indeed lose. That somebody will be Gamestop and other stores like it. They might even go out of business. And really I could care less.

PLus gamestop sells obscure niche games like jrpgs and such that places like Best buy will not carry because its not the mainstream as in those stores don't speacilize in games. Mom and pops stores are few and far between and they ususally don't carry a big selection from what I have seen, mostly older 8-16bit gen games (and not the rare good ones either).

So I would hate if Gamestop goes down. It also means less exposure for games and less ways for people to buy making the profits of making games drop. The mainstream are used to going to gamestop.

Used game trade-ins serve their purpose for the industry, and some of you fail to see this.

Example: Joe wants the new Last of Us game, but only has $30.. He has 2 older games he already finished. He now has the ability to trade them in and buy the last of us new . Pushing the new game sale and putting the older game on the shelf used...most likley games that have already made their initial first month sales anyway. This is how a lot of people afford new games. You take that away people won't buy as many new games and the market shrinks. Don't say online either, as most people don't buy their games on the interent. Thats mostly forum dwellers but the mainstream doesn't do that and I myself only do that with imports, as I want my games right away not waiting in the mail Plus its nice for midnight launhes and stuff and Gamestop is a nice place to meat other gamers. I would be upset if the went out of business!

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Fun fact....when a business has added cost that cost is passed on to the consumers. Business 101.

Midnightshade29

In this case that's wrong. Used game stores already charge as much for used games as is possible. Consumers won't pay more for used. But somebody will indeed lose. That somebody will be Gamestop and other stores like it. They might even go out of business. And really I could care less.

PLus gamestop sells obscure niche games like jrpgs and such that places like Best buy will not carry because its not the mainstream as in those stores don't speacilize in games. Mom and pops stores are few and far between and they ususally don't carry a big selection from what I have seen, mostly older 8-16bit gen games (and not the rare good ones either).

So I would hate if Gamestop goes down. It also means less exposure for games and less ways for people to buy making the profits of making games drop. The mainstream are used to going to gamestop.

Used game trade-ins serve their purpose for the industry, and some of you fail to see this.

Example: Joe wants the new Last of Us game, but only has $30.. He has 2 older games he already finished. He now has the ability to trade them in and buy the last of us new . Pushing the new game sale and putting the older game on the shelf used...most likley games that have already made their initial first month sales anyway. This is how a lot of people afford new games. You take that away people won't buy as many new games and the market shrinks. Don't say online either, as most people don't buy their games on the interent. Thats mostly forum dwellers but the mainstream doesn't do that and I myself only do that with imports, as I want my games right away not waiting in the mail Plus its nice for midnight launhes and stuff and Gamestop is a nice place to meat other gamers. I would be upset if the went out of business!

I think you're going to the wrong stores. I haven't bought a game at Best Buy in a while. I do a lot of my shopping online. Often mail order games from Amazon. Their prices for new games are very competetive with used game prices.

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[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).CRUSHER88

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[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Where does it say we are getting charged for used games? Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit. If anything, it sounds like used games won't be as cheap right away (not like gamestop/ebgames actually has cheap used games to begin with).Wickerman777

In this case that's wrong. Used game stores already charge as much for used games as is possible. Consumers won't pay more for used. But somebody will indeed lose. That somebody will be Gamestop and other stores like it. They might even go out of business. And really I could care less.

Thanks, I'm in business. That doesn't apply in a scenario like this. As someone stated above, used games are at a point where they are 5 dollars cheaper then new games (at least in gamestops situation). New games would have to INCREASE in price for used games to go any higher. The only way new games are going to go higher is if they are on a new format or if development costs go too high. Last generation had a new format (Bluray) and higher development costs. Did new game prices go up? Nope. Stayed $59.99 in Canada. This generation is using the same format with another assumed jump in dev costs. Will the price go up? Maybe. That depends on the publisher. However, they are clearly attempting to avoid a price hike by taking a peice out of the used game pie. CRUSHER88

I know you don't care, but you aren't the one employing people and then having to fire them just cause the game doesn't sell millions out the gate. shawn30

[QUOTE="Ginosaji"]

[QUOTE="CRUSHER88"]Every article that has appeared has talked about publishers/microsoft getting a chunk of used game sales. That doesn't mean theres a fee to pay on our end. Thats the retailer getting less profit.Wickerman777

Retailers will increase prices to make up the difference. It ultimately comes out of our pockets.

Microsoft has the used games market by the balls now. They can manipulate prices and pull the plug whenever they want. It's as good as dead.

How the hell could they possibly charge more? The difference between new and used is a measly $5!!!!!!! They charge $55 for used versions of newer games. Sure, ya can find other stuff in the store that is less than $55 but those are games where the prices on the new versions have been dramatically slashed as well. The difference still ends up being in the neighborhood of a paltry 5 bucks. Charging more than they do now is flippin' impossible. The only thing that'll change is that the retailers won't be making money hand over fist on used game sales and employees at Gamestop might stop begging you to buy used instead. Thank God for the latter part.