why arent people questioning Sony for not showing ps4 full retail units?

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Because eventually they will show it.

i think the lesson that companies will learn after all is said and done is that in the internet age if you release any information at all it is a mistake.

why do you think sony has been so tight lipped?

because they know as soon as you give out concrete info it gets pounced upon, picked apart and given a negative spin then let loose.

if sony or ms said tomorrow that their system would blow you people would go apeshyt crazy and make a petition demanding a half and half or else they will boycott.

that's how out of control this shyt is now.

Well it doesn't really matter because it's still coming out. That said, yes if MS did this there would be more threads about it on SW.tagyhag

Agreed, the article is a good read.  Interesting how scrutinized THE XBO truly is.

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.bbkkristian

This is true but they have been lambasted enough lol 

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

Jonwh18

I really wish they had stuck to their guns and said fuk you all. It's really what people deserve.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.XBOunity

This is true but they have been lambasted enough lol 

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

heretrix

I really wish they had stuck to their guns and said fuk you all. It's really what people deserve.

Hypocrites gonna Hypocritenini200

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

Jonwh18

I really wish they had stuck to their guns and said fuk you all. It's really what people deserve.

They are trying and it's important to realize that at least they are working to correct the issues before anyone spends a dime, which is a lot better than anyone has done in the past including themselves.

Baby steps.

Hypocrites gonna Hypocritenini200

[QUOTE="nini200"]Hypocrites gonna Hypocriteblue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]You know it's really kind of dumb that people are bitching about MS reversing their policies after all of the bs.

I really wish they had stuck to their guns and said fuk you all. It's really what people deserve.

heretrix

They are trying and it's important to realize that at least they are working to correct the issues before anyone spends a dime, which is a lot better than anyone has done in the past including themselves.

Baby steps.

You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.bbkkristian

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

XBOunity

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In what way?  Like having an Xbox One behind a glass container at a MS store?  Or a fully functioning unit hooked up at a convention demoing games?

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry? Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4? Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

Discuss dat hypocrisy

XBOunity

What should people question exactly? Sony has been very open and honest about their product since they first announced it. MS hasn't. It also isn't Sony who has made a number of dramatic changes to their console plan resulting in people questioning if this would cause a launch delay.

So again...what should people question Sony about in your mind? Whether or not the PS4 is real? We know its real. Whether or not its really coming out? Come on.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Guy_Brohski

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i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console.

Jonwh18

:lol: OMFG Too funny. My ribs are killing me! When you see a playable console let me know! :lol:

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I actuall wish they had too. becausse regardless I don't trust them now anyway. Who knows they might have been onto something too. 

Jonwh18

They are trying and it's important to realize that at least they are working to correct the issues before anyone spends a dime, which is a lot better than anyone has done in the past including themselves.

Baby steps.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.II_Seraphim_II

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

XBOunity

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]I don't trust any of them, but I think that sometimes we hold on to things a bit too much. I can understand caution but it's like they can't do anything right (even when they are doing something right).

They are trying and it's important to realize that at least they are working to correct the issues before anyone spends a dime, which is a lot better than anyone has done in the past including themselves.

Baby steps.

heretrix

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Guy_Brohski

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[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Riverwolf007

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i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry? Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4? Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Riverwolf007

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i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

I had 1 PS1

I have 1 PS2 (still works)

I have 1 PS3

I had 1 XBOX

I've had 4 XBOX 360s

Edit*

I had 1 NES - 1 SNES - 1 N64 - 1 Gamecube - 1 Wii - 1 Wii U

1 Genesis - 1 Sega CD - 1 Coleco Vision - 1 Dreamcast

The only console I've ever had to replace was the 360... and I did so 3 TIMES!

Hypocrites gonna Hypocritenini200

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.II_Seraphim_II

I don't even understand how that is even a question. Redemption is always far more intriguing to people than someone who has basically never taken a wrong turn in their life. have you ever been around addicted people? That's some horrifying shit right there.

Look at Robert Downy jr. That dude was as low as you can get, but he realized his mistakes and got his shit together. Look at him now. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. That takes a lot of strength and is very impressive. There are many people that don't make it back from that.  

I think Sony has its back against the wall as far as getting this thing in final console form. Delays or catastrophe incoming.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]No one questions Sony's ability to deliver quality hardware on time. It's MS's launch consoles I'd be worried about, seeing as how the first batches of Xbox360 had almost a 100% failure rate.

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moistsandwich

i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

I had 1 PS1

I have 1 PS2 (still works)

I have 1 PS3

I had 1 XBOX

I've had 4 XBOX 360s

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.blue_hazy_basic

Do they interview the actor BECAUSE he has never been an addict? NO. Its because he released a new movie. Do they interview a model because she was never obese? NO. Its usually because she is staring in some new marketting scheme or she just beat anorexia. Do they interview football players or athletes because they live a healthy life? NO. That may come up during the interview, but its usually because they have a match coming up, or they did very well in a previous match. So no, I dont believe Im over thinking anything. There have been articles and interviews over someone messing up and then rectifying their live as the MAIN TOPIC. Unless you are reading a health magazine, you wont find many stories about people just doing what they are supposed to, and even when u do find it, the interview/article was about something completely different and they just happened to bring that up as some background info.

Because Sony practices the Live, Learn and Love philosophy. Dont worry TC, the PS4 will be just fine, sell millions and have plenty of world class exclusives. Greatness awaits. Sony. PS4. Heil68

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.heretrix

I don't even understand how that is even a question. Redemption is always far more intriguing to people than someone who has basically never taken a wrong turn in their life. have you ever been around addicted people? That's some horrifying shit right there.

Look at Robert Downy jr. That dude was as low as you can get, but he realized his mistakes and got his shit together. Look at him now. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. That takes a lot of strength and is very impressive. There are many people that don't make it back from that.  

I think Sony has its back against the wall as far as getting this thing in final console form. Delays or catastrophe incoming.

FoxbatAlpha

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

All of that back & forth is pointless.  Both companies are fully capable and are ironing out issues before launch.  But it's comforting to see somebody at MS has some balls to address their problems instead of dancing around issues.

It has a lot to do with Sony fans having nothing better to do with their time.

No other fanboy group is as desperate that they feel the need to regurgitate each, and every single article about "rival companies" across every single internet forum.

You'd think they'd be playing all those games they always talk about.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.heretrix

I don't even understand how that is even a question. Redemption is always far more intriguing to people than someone who has basically never taken a wrong turn in their life. have you ever been around addicted people? That's some horrifying shit right there.

Look at Robert Downy jr. That dude was as low as you can get, but he realized his mistakes and got his shit together. Look at him now. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. That takes a lot of strength and is very impressive. There are many people that don't make it back from that.  

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.heretrix

I don't even understand how that is even a question. Redemption is always far more intriguing to people than someone who has basically never taken a wrong turn in their life. have you ever been around addicted people? That's some horrifying shit right there.

Look at Robert Downy jr. That dude was as low as you can get, but he realized his mistakes and got his shit together. Look at him now. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. That takes a lot of strength and is very impressive. There are many people that don't make it back from that.  

doing the wrong thing is easy, doing the right thing is hard. Basic facts of life, while redemption may make for a great movie of the week, it takes great strength to stay on the straight and narrow.  Fvcking up and redeeming yourself is not a cause of applause, this is what has been entrenched in our entitled instant gratification society. 

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]

I think Sony has its back against the wall as far as getting this thing in final console form. Delays or catastrophe incoming.

MoneySha

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.heretrix

I don't even understand how that is even a question. Redemption is always far more intriguing to people than someone who has basically never taken a wrong turn in their life. have you ever been around addicted people? That's some horrifying shit right there.

Look at Robert Downy jr. That dude was as low as you can get, but he realized his mistakes and got his shit together. Look at him now. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. That takes a lot of strength and is very impressive. There are many people that don't make it back from that.  

Oh my god was Iron man 3 the worst f*cking movie ever.

[QUOTE="MoneySha"][QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]

I think Sony has its back against the wall as far as getting this thing in final console form. Delays or catastrophe incoming.

FoxbatAlpha