why arent people questioning Sony for not showing ps4 full retail units?

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

All of that back & forth is pointless.  Both companies are fully capable and are ironing out issues before launch.  But it's comforting to see somebody at MS has some balls to address their problems instead of dancing around issues.

Basinboy

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

Basinboy

MS did actually show in some cases the actual xbox running games. Sony never did. 

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] You see this is something I dont get, and something that is quite common. For instance, there are many times you see on a talk show some movie star talking about how they got addicted to cocaine or some such drug and then how they beat their addiction. Or some guy who got obese and then lost all that weight and what a hero he is. Its like people want to be applauded for acting right. How about the guy who stayed away from drugs his whole life? Why not interview him? Or the guy who exercised his whole life and stayed fit? I dont think we should be applauding people for messing up and then trying to rectify it when the crap hits the fan. Sure, we should acknowledge that they eventually made a change for the better, but in my books, I have more respect for the guy who never messed up in the first place. So no, MS does not deserve any "credit" for doing what they should have done in the first place. Although I will agree that the constant bashing even after the reversals is excessive and uncalled for.II_Seraphim_II

Do they interview the actor BECAUSE he has never been an addict? NO. Its because he released a new movie. Do they interview a model because she was never obese? NO. Its usually because she is staring in some new marketting scheme or she just beat anorexia. Do they interview football players or athletes because they live a healthy life? NO. That may come up during the interview, but its usually because they have a match coming up, or they did very well in a previous match. So no, I dont believe Im over thinking anything. There have been articles and interviews over someone messing up and then rectifying their live as the MAIN TOPIC. Unless you are reading a health magazine, you wont find many stories about people just doing what they are supposed to, and even when u do find it, the interview/article was about something completely different and they just happened to bring that up as some background info.

I hate to make a mountain of a molehill but :P

http://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/time100walkup/article/0,28804,1611030_1610841_1609861,00.html

http://okmagazine.com/get-scoop/flashback-watch-how-amanda-bynes-once-swore-she-would-never-be-lindsay-lohan/

https://www.google.com/search?q=supermodel+healthy+eating+interview&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS470US471&oq=supermodel+healthy+eating+intervi&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.12646j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

All of that back & forth is pointless.  Both companies are fully capable and are ironing out issues before launch.  But it's comforting to see somebody at MS has some balls to address their problems instead of dancing around issues.

Basinboy

There is at least one unboxing vid of the PS4 in youtube, and Nico Nico has loads of PS4 stuff showing the retail unit from tv shows.

There is at least one unboxing vid of the PS4 in youtube

ManatuBeard

Yeah but did he turn it on? 

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

edidili

MS did actually show in some cases the actual xbox running games. Sony never did. 

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

All of that back & forth is pointless.  Both companies are fully capable and are ironing out issues before launch.  But it's comforting to see somebody at MS has some balls to address their problems instead of dancing around issues.

FoxbatAlpha

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

There is at least one unboxing vid of the PS4 in youtube

edidili

Yeah but did he turn it on? 

At least one of the vids on Nico Nico shows the console being on playing Playroom. I cant see the serial code to see if it is a REAL console....

SW conspiracy now... *sigh*

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I agree, I also can't recall anyone else trying to so blatantly trying to screw consumers either. Plus with comments like: (paraphrasing) "don't have the internet to support always online? the Xbox 360 is the console for you!" I don't really want to give them my buisness anyway. 

Jonwh18

There was a lot of moves being made and he was not one of the chosen. He was not promoted in the current restructuring which says a lot about how much confidence they had in him. He was forced out indirectly. I've seen it happen a lot.

doing the wrong thing is easy, doing the right thing is hard. 

Zaibach

Life is a lot more grey than that. 

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Wait, Penello is calling out Sony for not showing a picture of the PS4's internals?  That's pointless.  Sony could just fire back and say "why hasn't MS gotten any of their games and demos running on official units at trade shows/conventions?"

All of that back & forth is pointless.  Both companies are fully capable and are ironing out issues before launch.  But it's comforting to see somebody at MS has some balls to address their problems instead of dancing around issues.

FoxbatAlpha

Whats sony official word on the ram os allocation?  The cpu speed?   Are they running something similar to a hot chips conference to talk about all the inner workings of the ps4?  Is it 6 gigs for games or 4.5 or do we go with what neogaf thuway says?      Jist wondering because Sony hasnt said a thing.  Microsoft on the other hand has laid out pretty much everything in regards to the xbo.  Heck its been non stop news.   Sony just gets a free pass I guess and thats ok it seems

People hate Microsoft for being either successful or American. If I was him I would not sweat it. Microsoft will be around long after Sony and this generations gamers.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

doing the wrong thing is easy, doing the right thing is hard. 

heretrix

Life is a lot more grey than that. 

Whats sony official word on the ram os allocation?  The cpu speed?   Are they running something similar to a hot chips conference to talk about all the inner workings of the ps4?  Is it 6 gigs for games or 4.5 or do we go with what neogaf thuway says?      Jist wondering because Sony hasnt said a thing.  Microsoft on the other hand has laid out pretty much everything in regards to the xbo.  Heck its been non stop news.   Sony just gets a free pass I guess and thats ok it seems

XBOunity

 I'd be worried about, seeing as how the first batches of Xbox360 had almost a 100% failure rate.

:|

Guy_Brohski

You sure it wasn't 200% ?

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Whats sony official word on the ram os allocation?  The cpu speed?   Are they running something similar to a hot chips conference to talk about all the inner workings of the ps4?  Is it 6 gigs for games or 4.5 or do we go with what neogaf thuway says?      Jist wondering because Sony hasnt said a thing.  Microsoft on the other hand has laid out pretty much everything in regards to the xbo.  Heck its been non stop news.   Sony just gets a free pass I guess and thats ok it seems

FoxbatAlpha

Wouldnt sony fans wanna know this info, all they seem concerned about is what microsoft is putting out or what they are doing.    They cant stop talking about the XBO lol

Because who gives a shizz? We've all seen what it looks like. :roll:

Because who gives a shizz? We've 

all seen what it looks like. :roll:

clr84651

Yeah I agree but then why such a shitstorm when lococycle crashes to a win 7 desktop at e3?

http://okmagazine.com/get-scoop/flashback-watch-how-amanda-bynes-once-swore-she-would-never-be-lindsay-lohan/

blue_hazy_basic

Thanks for ruining my image of Amanda Bynes, as I didn't even know any of this stuff was going on with her. :(

I will never purchase a POS4.  Ever.  Xbox FTW!

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]I don't think it was as much them trying to screw the customer as it was they basically had their heads up their ass and thought they were doing something novel. also Don Mattrick. But at least he's gone, and as soon as he left that's when everything started changing for the better. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, as I would do for any company switching leadership.

heretrix

There was a lot of moves being made and he was not one of the chosen. He was not promoted in the current restructuring which says a lot about how much confidence they had in him. He was forced out indirectly. I've seen it happen a lot.

It's just like when "left" Square after the massive bomb that was Spirits Within. You either resign to make your leaving less ugly or get sacked.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]You know, that was a good read. And I agree, not enough people are giving credit to MS after the reversals; but then again, they dug their own hole. Thanks for sharing.blue_hazy_basic

Plus, people who learn from their mistakes and can admit they were wrong DO deserve some level of credit. Because we all know there ar eplenty of people out there who screw up and never admit it. There are plenty of drug addicts who die without ever making things right. I'd say it is far better to admit your mistakes and turn things around for the better than to never admit mistakes and keep making them.

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console. 

Steppy_76

Wow good points and also had ylod

Uh... Wasn't the only game being reported using a PC in Sony camp a EA game (N4S: Rivals)? And wasn't EA reported using PC for all their demoing at both E3 and gamescom??? And I know I've read a lot about Killzone and Infamous Second Son running off actual hardware... And most of these claims are actually coming from game journalist... http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Games-E3-Ran-PS4-Dev-Hardware-High-End-PCs-56752.html But... It seem like the only person in Microsoft's camp saying that games were running on actual hardware at gamescom was, non other than, Microsoft's do-boy, Major "Hurb" Nelson... http://gotgame.com/2013/09/03/major-nelson-xbox-one-was-not-rushed-every-game-at-gamescom-running-on-final-xbox-one-hardware/

MoneySha

It is a bit of spin, as usual on all parts. The dev kits running the PS4 games were final hardware. So MS claiming their games were running on final hardware doesn't exclude the possibility that "hardware" was dev kits...which is what developers make and test and play their games on. Nobody makes games on a PS4 directly can certainly, no developer wanting to test their game is going to burn it on a disk then put it in a PS4 console to play it.

Dev kits are the same as the console hardware.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Whats sony official word on the ram os allocation?  The cpu speed?   Are they running something similar to a hot chips conference to talk about all the inner workings of the ps4?  Is it 6 gigs for games or 4.5 or do we go with what neogaf thuway says?      Jist wondering because Sony hasnt said a thing.  Microsoft on the other hand has laid out pretty much everything in regards to the xbo.  Heck its been non stop news.   Sony just gets a free pass I guess and thats ok it seems

FoxbatAlpha

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Probably because there isn't any doubt that sony has their shit together. They haven't recently pulled a 180 on half of their major policies surrounding their next gen console.

Steppy_76

Sony came out before launch and openly announced they would have to cut the launch shipments in half. I fail to see how that is the equivalent of Sony hiding something or lying. Also, while many bash the PS2 for DRE, I still have my launch day PS2. Granted, last year i finally started giving me DRE on a couple of my games, but it still works for the majority. So no, the DRE for PS2 was nowhere near as bad as the RROD.

Further, Sony never said the PS3 would launch worldwide in fall 2005. They always said spring 2006. And that was delayed because of component shortages.

Meanwhile, since the PS3 sold HALF of what the PS2 sold, lost a lot of exclusive support and arguably went from the biggest gaming brand of all time to last place, I'd say they have paid a heavy price for their mistakes. Just like MS is likely going to pay for their mistakes they've made with the X1. And since the console launched in 2 month, and they are still reporting there will be lots of units available and world wide launch (unlike MS), I doubt they have their numbers/estimates wrong.

I'm not sure that it matters. We know what they system should look like, and that it's coming in November. Who cares about them showing it off at trade shows?

I'm not sure that it matters. We know what they system should look like, and that it's coming in November. Who cares about them showing it off at trade shows?

lowkey254

So why not that same approach to microsoft when lococycle crashed to the windows 7 desktop at e3?  What if the shoe was on the other foot and only dev kits up to this point being shown for microsoft?    I agree with your mindset, but it should apply to both as far as im concerned

Why do they have to? Are people skeptical about the PS4 actually existing?

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why arent people questioning Sony for not showing ps4 full retail units?XBOunity

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I'm not sure that it matters. We know what they system should look like, and that it's coming in November. Who cares about them showing it off at trade shows?

So why not that same approach to microsoft when lococycle crashed to the windows 7 desktop at e3?  What if the shoe was on the other foot and only dev kits up to this point being shown for microsoft?    I agree with your mindset, but it should apply to both as far as im concerned

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I'm not sure that it matters. We know what they system should look like, and that it's coming in November. Who cares about them showing it off at trade shows?

XBOunity

So why not that same approach to microsoft when lococycle crashed to the windows 7 desktop at e3? What if the shoe was on the other foot and only dev kits up to this point being shown for microsoft? I agree with your mindset, but it should apply to both as far as im concerned

To be fair, Windows crashing is sort of a long-running joke. It isn't exclusive to one event at E3. There are many cases of windows crashing during inconvenient times. Hell, I'm pretty sure the example you give wasn't even the first time MS has had a crash during their own shows. There is even a screenshot of a Nine Inch Nails conert of the blue screen of death because, during one of their shows, Windows computers were being used and they crashed during the show ruining their lighting and LED screens.

There really isn't a Sony equivalent to this.

I'm not concerned with the PS4. Sony makes quality hardware, pretty consistently. They've committed to a date already, submitted to FCC the product details, and seem very focused on their product.

[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Riverwolf007

:|

i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

Riverwolf007

:|

i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?

Albert Penello asks if the shoe was on the other foot there would be a huge outcry?  Why the double standard and when will Sony show a full retail ready to go ps4?  Microsoft has and been much more upfront than Sony

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/microsoft-xbox-one-licensing-plan-was-a-little-ahead-of-consumers/

 

 

Discuss dat hypocrisy

XBOunity

Whats sony official word on the ram os allocation?  The cpu speed?   Are they running something similar to a hot chips conference to talk about all the inner workings of the ps4?  Is it 6 gigs for games or 4.5 or do we go with what neogaf thuway says?      Jist wondering because Sony hasnt said a thing.  Microsoft on the other hand has laid out pretty much everything in regards to the xbo.  Heck its been non stop news.   Sony just gets a free pass I guess and thats ok it seems

XBOunity

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ManatuBeard

Do people honestly believe Sony wouldn't have a funtioning retail console at this point? People should start to undestand that developers very very rarely use retail models at conventions. Sony isn't hiding the retail version. from anyone. 

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Guy_Brohski"]No one questions Sony's ability to deliver quality hardware on time. It's MS's launch consoles I'd be worried about, seeing as how the first batches of Xbox360 had almost a 100% failure rate.

:|

AzatiS

i went through 3 ps2s over 6 years.

i went through 2 360s over 8 years and counting.

so really, who makes the most reliable hardware?