Why Bioware games getting lots of criticism lately?

Amongst recent Bioware games I enjoyed Dragon Age Inquisition so much.Played the game with all three classes. Vastly improved over Dragon Age 1 and 2 regarding gameplay, yet it still getting lots of criticsm everywhere ( With New DLC just released). Many criticise Mass Effect 3 also. although its a old game by now.

Well, whats your opinion on recent Bioware games warriors? :)

Being owned by EA doesn't help. .:P

Bioware is still way up there in my book seeing as ME:: Andromeda is one of my most anticipated games.

Because they suck. The Old Republic was a glorified Star Wars skinned World of Warcraft clone, without much of what makes World of Warcraft good, and a misguided emphasis on the storyline (it also completely ignored everyone's pleas for a Knights of the Old Republic 3), Dragon Age II is an abomination that should not have been released, Mass Effect 3 plays well but takes a royal dump on its series' lore and narrative, and Dragon Age Inquisition is just a shitty game that is way too much of a drag.

Bioware used to make great games, they no longer do. Their last few games have been entirely shitty. They get hate because they deserve hate. At this point, all Bioware is doing is chasing trends, whether Call of Duty, Gears of War, World of Warcraft, or Skyrim.

I have been critical of BioWare since Mass Effect, and I have disliked everything they made starting with Kotor 1.

As for why they are criticized, they are criticized for poor stories and mediocre gameplay. Others bash them on ideological grounds.

Make me a game with good encounter design, good combat mechanics, an actual dialogue system (dialogue wheels ftl), some form of interactivity with the world, and a passable story again and I might just forgive them.

Edit: Charizard nailed it. BioWare chases trends without understanding what made the trends great in the first place.

...ouch.

Still hyped for new Mass Effect though

I think people should realize that compared to CDPR, BioWare aren't that bad, actually, although both offer shallow gameplay mechanics.

I think after dragon age inquisition it's a bit difficult to have faith in them since the game was horrible. Also they seems to like conforming to the ignorant loudmouth minorities such as feminists, lgbt etc

Stop creating manly female characters and womanly male characters.

Stop adding gay sex scenes just for the sake of proclaiming their support for gay marriage.

If they just copied Cdprojektred, even if they mimicked 25% of the witcher 3's quality they'd make a great game.

Dragon Age: Origins was last RPG from Bioware. Mass Effect 2 was excellent but it was cover based shooter with great choice and consequence system. DA 2 was terrible. Mass Effect 3 was just 'very good' unlike ME2.

Dragon Age: Inquisition is outclassed by Divnity OS in terms of RPG elements. They used to standout from rest of the crowd, now they are hit or miss devs who make just decent games when they can and focus heavily on Social Justice crap during marketing.

Dragon Age Origins was a masterpiece in RPG making. Inquisition was an offline mmo, they took everything cool and unique about the series and wrecked it. Bioware are a joke now.

They've been on a downward spiral since Jade Empire. Not that I don't like Mass Effect, it's a great series (ME2 being the best game in the trilogy), but doesn't hold a candle to the likes of Kotor 1 and their previous RPGs.

double ouch after reading Char lol

I really loved DA: Inquisition and I feel once again I am in the minority. Haha. Then again I have enjoyed every Bioware game I have played since KOTOR which is the entire Dragon Age and Mass Effect games. Loved em all.

KOTOR and Mass Effect 1 are my favourite Bioware games. The team seems too pressed by EA in their latest games (with the exception of Inquisition, which i loved).

they have pretty much gone full progressive sjw mode instead of just making great games like they used to do

because they sacrificed the legacy of Baldur's Gate for a cover-based shooter game called mass effect

EA have a lot to do with internet hate they gate.

It's a combination of a few things. Their ties with EA for one. And the fact that you're pretty much seeing their reception on an Internet gaming forum, where AAA developers are regularly scrutinized and being on the internet gaming forum, you'll have pro-JRPG weaboos out and about hating on BioWare for whatever reason.

I personally just see them as another developer. No hate, no overwhelming praise. They are definitely a far cry from what they were in their glory days and have made some poor decisions in recent years. But they're very competent and deserve a place in the industry making RPGs with high production values.

Shitty ending aside, Mass Effect 3 was enjoyable. Inquisition is an odd one. It's a love-hate game with commendable qualities and one that is easy to criticise due to some pretty stupid design decisions and underwhelming side-content when stacked up against other RPGs. But I think as a starting point, it's a better baseline than the unusually beloved Mass Effect 1 and im interested to see where they go from here.

Vastly improved over Dragon Age 1 and 2 regarding gameplay, yet it still getting lots of criticsm everywhere ( With New DLC just released).

Dragon Age Inquisition's combat controls so bad on PC I'm almost getting an aneurysm off it. Hold down LMB to attack? Seriously? The "tactical mode" also controls so awkwardly compared to Origins. Though other than that, I'm enjoying the game quite a bit. Beautiful world they've made.

As for Mass Effect 3, that was mostly criticized for its ending, though it had other problems too.

Oh please stop that shit right now, WoW has almost 0 originality during it's life and has taken almost everything it has from other MMO's like flying mounts, talent trees, ground mounts, bases aka garrisons and a few other things. The only thing I can think of they did before any other MMO is rested experience and world phasing.

Anyways outside of DA2 and ME3's horrible ending, there's really no reason to hate Bioware besides "it's the cool thing to do"

What about teh gay sex? :P

Hate is a strong word that's misused here, i doubt anyone here actually hates the company. Anyway, there are valid reasons to be disappointed in their current offerings. My own reason is that Bioware is basically a one trick pony, with each subsequent title they have been diluting a formula to the point where they just don't hold my attention anymore. They aren't interesting, they aren't fun, they're just shallow and boring games to play.

It's ok if you disagree, hell, i'm indifferent towards Bioware these days anyway because over the years i've found plenty of alternative options if i want a good RPG with a good plot.

ME3 fixed its ending, it's fine. Some people still harp on it though, they probably think it's still in fashion.

Outside of a few mediocre games, there isn't much reason to hate them. No they haven't made their next Baldur's Gate 2 yet, but their games aren't awful like some people would have you believe. I think people hate them because it is what other people are doing now and because they are owned by EA.

Honestly it's pretty ballsy XD

Come on you know as a SW regular that people hate on Bioware pretty harshly here in SW, not as much as say Gen forums or other forums but people on here act like Bioware has committed mass murder to their family.

Because the more recent Bioware games sell flash over gameplay substance. They'll compromise anything for the all important story part of the game.

As with Bethesda, the video game company "Bioware", has transitioned towards consoles with critical and financial success well beyond humble pc origins, this, coupled with "outsiders" being introduced, both enjoying and praising the franchises have left pc gamers embittered, an entitled sense of betrayal akin to seeing a woman they once loved moving on with her life, while they remain very much stuck in the past.

While the accolades pile, sales increase and the industry continuing to flourish, this inherent animosity manifests itself in the form of feigned superiority, lauding criticism in flimsy attempts to blemish an overwhelming reality. Every complement an insult, every sale a loss; sad times, sad times indeed.

Both shitty AAA devs, but Bioware even makes Bethesda look halfway decent these days...and that's hard to do.

At least Beth still tries to make games.

Bioware....I don't even know what the **** they're making anymore.

Bioware does not make games anymore they only make gay relationship sims now.

I used to dislike, not hate, Bioware for turning away from CRPGS to console-focused wannabe action games. However with the ongoing CRPG renaissance, they are simply irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. So many real RPGs to play and choose from now.

Nothing to object about SWTOR or DA2.

ME3, however? I get that people hate the ending, okay, fine, but you say it takes a dump on the serie's lore and narrative; how? To me they gave great closure to lots of things that weren't directly linked to the reapers and the main story arch. For example, the closure for the Genophage and the Quarian homeworld, including the Geth; I found all these to be satisfying as well as fun to play through. Didn't you then?

With DA:I I've seen people love it and hate it, but you have to concede that if there's that many people that love it, it can't be as big of a shit as you describe, no?

They didn't fix anything, infact they created more problems.

http://www.pcgamer.com/how-gog-rescued-13-forgotten-realms-games-from-licensing-hell/

“We have seen the D&D torch passed on to great games like Baldur's Gate, and members of those teams have gone on to make some games in the same vein, such as Pillars of Eternity.”

Kinda funny (and telling) how he mentions Pillars and not Dragon Turds.

Somewhere out there @texasgoldrush is putting on the war paint...

As for topic: Bioware isn't Bioware anymore. The leadership and creative core of the studio are all gone and the name is now a brand EA slaps on whatever studio they wish. No reason to expect anything of substance from a marketing gimmick.

I love Bioware... but I thought Inquisition was the worst installment of Dragon Age and Mass Effect 3 was the worst in that series too. I don't know what happened, they just aren't as good. It's not like they're bad, they just weren't as good as the previous installments.

Except for the fact that WoW, heavily refined the previously existing mechanics and heavily innovated within them. WoW's innovation came through iteration, rather than new ideas. And quite frnakly, WoW's model has been used ever since, WoW plays differently enough from EverQuest to not be an EverQuest clone, it also plays differently enough from Dark Age of Camelot to not be a DAoC clone.

There is plenty of reason to dislike BioWare, outside of hipsterism,

Mass Effect: A decent universe BioWare built. But the RPG elements are way too shallow to satisfy any cRPG fan and the gunplay was far inferior to the likes of Gears of War. Enemies lacked variety overall, quests were uninspired, planets might as well have been done through procedural generation and sidequest interiors were blatantly copy paste.

Dragon Age: Origins: Shitty DikuMUD mechanics placed in a single player game, extremely repetitive encounter design, rogues and warriors were nearly identical, non existant balance, boring itemization, mmo quests, overly generic lore, blood effects making everyone look like leper victims, horrible pacing all around.

Mass Effect 2: Cover based shooting, repetitive gameplay devoid of depth and challenge

SWTOR: Ability delay at launch, bad writing for 87.5% of all classes, a world that felt more sterile than a fallout. All trade skills were useless save for BioChemistry, skills that often were copy paste from WoW. An unusually familiar talent tree. Mediocre endgame content, questionable f2p model.

Mass Effect 3: Shoot, new room, shoot, new room, rinse repeat. The thing about the game's ending is that it woke up some people to show just how inconsequent BioWare's C&C really are. Side quests usually bogged down to a Single Player Invasion mode (Horde mode if you are familiar with that).

Dragon Age: Inquisition: Uninspired quests, bad combat, bad story, actually everything went wrong. If you want to ape skyrim. You should at the very least have an understanding of WHY skyrim works. The devs of this game clearly didn't understand Skyrim.

Oh and Sonic RPG.

Kotor's plot twist could be predicted in the first 4 hours with anyone with any critical thinking skills or reading comprehension. NeverWinter Nights, Official Campaign was one of the most hamfisted campaigns I have seen for any game.

Not to mention general problems with them, including the devs never C&C done right, generic plot overly reliant on tropes, copy paste character archetypes (how many Imoens and Minscs have we had by now), games padded out with filler, terrible level design, trend followers while having terrible understanding of said trends, 4 zones of power, obnoxious, Oblivion Tier level scaling, Dialogue Wheels.

Honestly, there is very little BioWare gets done right. But they do get a few things done right, their games are relatively polished compared to certain other AAA RPG studios, and with DA:I they have given plenty of free DLC.

I didn't ever hate ME3, The ending was disappointing but what bothered me most about it was that the entire game was just "go here and meet this old crew mate" over and over and over again.

Totally agree. Despite its balancing issues, Origin was a masterpiece. I respect those who didn't like it but I think it was a quality product. DA2 was terrible. Inquisition is outclassed by games from much smaller studios. Bioware is nowhere near as interesting as they used to be. Their priorities have changed.

From my eyes, Bioware has just been good. They've made quality products just, but they've also done some average things and have had some weird design choices from what I've played.

• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - Great fun. Didn't care for the system when I first got it but after I learned the ways of D&D and the D20 system I love the game. Plus, I love Star Wars and I feel the game does a good job recreating that feel. Would love a third game (singleplayer).
• Dragon Age: Origins - An average game. It didn't excel at anything from me and was a bit of a slog.
• Dragon Age 2 - I liked the combat, but the game itself was a big pile of mediocrity.
• Dragon Age: Inquisition - Damn this game was great at first! And some missions were really great! Combat felt good, too. But man, one mission in particular was one of the most boring things I had ever played. The large areas became copy/pasta with mission structure to the point that I was dismissing the game. All of the good stuff was hidden beneath a bunch of shallow bullshit. There's a gem of a game here, but it was sabotaged by it's necessity to fill it with drivel.
• Mass Effect - Interesting story. I enjoyed the world it set up. Combat was serviceable but dragged the game down a little bit. I did enjoy this one.
• Mass Effect 2 - Exciting game. Good combat, entertaining story. Liked this one a bit. I think my problem with it was that it definitely had that feel of being the middle entry. But that problem really wasn't that big.
• Mass Effect 3 - I liked the combat a lot. Didn't mind the ending. Overall, liked it a bit.

So yeah, it ends up that Dragon Age is the stinker of Bioware in my experience. Mass Effect has overall been enjoyable for me and I was they took another shot with a singleplayer Star Wars. Maybe someday.

People hate on ME3's ending because they simply put, just don't get it. They do not pay attention to the narrative. There are hints as far back as ME1 that ties the ME3 ending with the lore and the themes of the narrative. Its the same type of idiots who simply do not get why the Sopranos ended in a silent black out.

People wanted KOTOR, and they want Bioware to make all their games like KOTOR. That's the problem with Bioware, its their fanbase.

DAI is the worst in the series, I give you that, but ME3 is the best in the series. Why? Many things......unlike ME2, ME3 has a real plot, I am not forced to be Paragon and Renegade just to hit speech checks, the characters develop with the plot instead of talking to them 4 times, and it defies many of the Biowarisms of past games. It also plays the best of any Bioware game and balance issues only really happen if you bring in DLC weapons.

No it wasn't, it rips off the old KOTOR playbook to the tee. Its riddled with Biowarisms when people were starting to call the company out on recycling their stories. It wasn't a quality product, it not only had balancing issues but pacing issues, with a rip off cliché fantasy main plot.

Perhaps their priority is that they do not want to make KOTOR over and over again.

Inquisitions problems stem from poor direction. The story direction was atrocious and suffocated any attempt from the writers to make it good. Nevermind the writer of the best character in the game, Cassandra, left, partly due to harassment by idiots.

Their gameplay is extremely mediocre at Best from what I've played

However, they are not trend followers, they are trend setters. yeah, they do follow some trends and that does lead them into trouble, see Dragon Age Inquisition, but they really for the most part follow their own formula, sometimes to a fault.

Obsidian is the trend followers. They ape Bioware games. There games are very much, Bioware style games outside of Fallout New Vegas, Dungeon Siege III, and South Park (which was more Matt and Trey and less basic Obsidian).

The dialogue wheel is here to stay, its actually works far better for cinematic RPGs and other companies have used them or a variation of it. The Witcher 3 runs off the Mass Effect dialogue system. And really, dialogue in the system really doesn't work written out. The Mass Effect system has several advantages over the old systems. Now Fallout 4 is using it....but Bethesda does not have the writing skill to pull it off and Fallout doesn't need it. So now Bethesda has taken from Bioware.

While Bioware does indeed have trouble with C&C....ME3 actually does a very good job in this area, more so with the Extended Cut. Its Witcher level of C&C, to the point where you do have to be careful of your choices. I rag on DAO, but there is a moment where a choice before did affect things later. The outcome of the Mage Tower storyline affects the fate of the Arl's son later.

Any game that reaches the quality of Inquisition or the mass effect trilogy get more scrutiny because let's face it, they are amazing.

When your game has a SJW agenda, i doubt people will like it.

The **** did I just read, the amount of bull**** in your post is out of this world, literally everything you said is bullcrap, like not even a opinion on the matter, just full bull****

Abandon all hope ye who enter this thread.

All I know is that DA:I was booooring as shit.

I traded it in before I finished it.

It's the second worst game this gen, imo, only being beaten by an even more boring Thief reboot.

Inquisition isn't quality. The more scrutiny, the better.

Its what happens when a company thinks they have to return to "form" when they didn't need to. DAI seems like everything was forced and everything was off because they tried to please everybody.

DA2 wasn't a hit because they badly rushed it, DAI on the other hand wasn't great because it was poorly directed.

Bar the stupid ass Wartable, most of its biggest flaws can be leveraged towards Xenoblade: Chronicles. But yeah, that game gets a pass for being a drag as well due to JRPG apologists on the internet.