Why couldn't Sony have made the PS3 bluray player a peripheral add-on?

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.springz300

This entire forum is impossible! :evil:

PS3, gaming console.

Bluray, media format.

Bluray not required to play games.

Bluray makes PS3 cost $600.

 

Bluray is the very definition of milking. It's an additional mandatory component that you do not need to play games.

Lilac_Benjie

That is NOT milking. Milking is when a company continually releases add-ons and extras for a product well after release.  

Putting something in a product and selling it for well less than it costs to make is everything but milking.

Putting Blu-Ray inside the PS3 has become an excellent but extremely risky manuvuer. Their format would have definitely died against HDDVD had it not been for the extra push the PS3 had given it, and the extra disc capacity does more than let you pack more HD textures and streaming.

More character animations, AI, and physics enhancements and can be added to the game with BD backing it, it's not just a matter of swapping discs.

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.Lilac_Benjie

Bluray is the very definition of milking. It's an additional mandatory component that you do not need to play games.

Like Nintendo forcing you to buy a game that would cost around 20 or less and making you pay for under-priced hardware for more? 

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.shungokustasu

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

That is NOT milking. Milking is when a company continually releases add-ons and extras for a product well after release.

Putting something in a product and selling it for well less than it costs to make is everything but milking.purplemidgets

Playstation 3 could have cost less than it was worth without Bluray. The overhead is on the videogames.

It functions like a loan. 

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.

purplemidgets

This isn't milking. The HD-DVD addon is milking, the Elite is milking, selling the Nunchuck and Wiimote separately is milking, the HDD for the PS2 is milking. All the versions on the GBA is milking.

 i like milk :D

Playstation 3 could have cost less than it was worth without Bluray. The overhead is on the videogames.

Lilac_Benjie

 All consoles would cost less if you removed the unnecessary components. It doesn't change the fact that this is not milking.

If you're going to bash something, learn your lingo.  

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.TyrantDragon55

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

well said, although i dont think they forgot about games.

I'm not even worrying about it, i know they're making the right decision because in the future if other systems use bluray then it paid off. 

only issue with ps3 is price. i cant see why else anyone would not like it, successor to the greatest system ever.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.TyrantDragon55

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

GDC, Gamers Day, and E3 is?...In case you didn't notice most of the up and coming release are not third party, but first. Still, think Sony is not too concern about gaming now?

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.shungokustasu

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

GDC, Gamers Day, and E3 is?...In case you didn't notice most of the up and coming release are not third party, but first. Still, think Sony is not too concern about gaming now?

He could be talking about which they're focusing more heavily on. It doesn't even matter. They're practically over the hump where they dropped games for working on other things. Those were the first of many titles to be announced. Sony is beginning to change back again.

I am not saying they are some invincible brand name. Brand name means nothing. Sony didn't build a brand name, they built an empire forged from the calls and cries of third party developers in desperate need to find a new home where they weren't being pushed around by Nintendo, and Sega was no longer an option. Sony did more for third party developers than any other console maker ever did. That is why they won.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.shungokustasu

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

GDC, Gamers Day, and E3 is?...In case you didn't notice most of the up and coming release are not third party, but first. Still, think Sony is not too concern about gaming now?

If sony cared about their position in the games market right now, they would have released the PS3 with DVD instead of Blu-ray and sold it for around the same price as the 360. They didn't because right now Blu-ray is much more important to the company as a whole. Obviously Sony's game division is going to make games, great games, but Sony as a whole is much more concerned with PS3 pushing the sales of Blu-ray movies than becoming the next big gaming console.

Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever.  The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player.  The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance.  They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division.  The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600.  I have no need to get a PS3 at this point.  My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long mike7677

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.Lilac_Benjie

Bluray is the very definition of milking. It's an additional mandatory component that you do not need to play games.

No, you don't need it to play games. You don't need DVD for that matter. You don't even need CD-ROM. How about we all switch back to cartridges because evolution is truly not necessary?

You do need it to play games if you don't feel like swapping discs 5 times during an RPG. Bluray is awesome. Cry more, come back when you can afford it. Or stick to The 800th Game With Mario In It That Isn't a Platformer Because We Need Mario On The Box to Sell It #23.  

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.D_Znuhtz

Bluray is the very definition of milking. It's an additional mandatory component that you do not need to play games.

No, you don't need it to play games. You don't need DVD for that matter. You don't even need CD-ROM. How about we all switch back to cartridges because evolution is truly not necessary?

You do need it to play games if you don't feel like swapping discs 5 times during an RPG. Bluray is awesome. Cry more, come back when you can afford it. Or stick to The 800th Game With Mario In It That Isn't a Platformer Because We Need Mario On The Box to Sell It #23.  

yes!! hard boiled-stranglehold............................SAME DISK

argue against that.

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever. The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player. The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance. They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division. The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600. I have no need to get a PS3 at this point. My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long TyrantDragon55

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever. The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player. The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance. They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division. The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600. I have no need to get a PS3 at this point. My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long Nike_Air

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

If that's the case, it's not doing so hot right now.

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever.  The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player.  The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance.  They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division.  The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600.  I have no need to get a PS3 at this point.  My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long TyrantDragon55

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

I agree TyrantDragon55 I believe the same. The PS3's main purpose is to push BR. It's brilliant but also very risky. If BR fails they will have a very bad time... If BR wins, expect to see massive price cuts for the PS3!

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever. The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player. The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance. They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division. The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600. I have no need to get a PS3 at this point. My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long Nike_Air

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

Don't you mean conquer the Earth, and blow holes in the moon with it's ability to outdo super computers and shoot lasers?

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever.  The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player.  The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance.  They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division.  The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600.  I have no need to get a PS3 at this point.  My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long Kreean

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

I agree TyrantDragon55 I believe the same. The PS3's main purpose is to push BR. It's brilliant but also very risky. If BR fails they will have a very bad time... If BR wins, expect to see massive price cuts for the PS3!

It helps alot against piracy and games will most likely break 9 gigs this gen.

More space is not a bad thing and I'm very happy with the bluray movies I have.  

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.TyrantDragon55

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

GDC, Gamers Day, and E3 is?...In case you didn't notice most of the up and coming release are not third party, but first. Still, think Sony is not too concern about gaming now?

If sony cared about their position in the games market right now, they would have released the PS3 with DVD instead of Blu-ray and sold it for around the same price as the 360. They didn't because right now Blu-ray is much more important to the company as a whole. Obviously Sony's game division is going to make games, great games, but Sony as a whole is much more concerned with PS3 pushing the sales of Blu-ray movies than becoming the next big gaming console.

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3. 

[QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever.  The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player.  The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance.  They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division.  The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600.  I have no need to get a PS3 at this point.  My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long mike7677

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

I agree TyrantDragon55 I believe the same. The PS3's main purpose is to push BR. It's brilliant but also very risky. If BR fails they will have a very bad time... If BR wins, expect to see massive price cuts for the PS3!

And HD-DVD is getting the Matrix Trilogy, should be interesting.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]Because the entire purpose of the PS3 right now is to push Blu-ray.shungokustasu

No room for making games, and having a good online plan? Just the sole purpose of pusing blu-ray?

I meant from Sony's perspective. They know the influence they have in the game industry, so they saw an oppertunity to push their new format and they took it. Right now, the game industry doesn't mean much to sony because they know that they stand to make a huge amount of money if Blu-ray succeeds DVD as the new standard movie format. If/when Blu-rays does take over, then Sony will start concentrating on games again.

GDC, Gamers Day, and E3 is?...In case you didn't notice most of the up and coming release are not third party, but first. Still, think Sony is not too concern about gaming now?

If sony cared about their position in the games market right now, they would have released the PS3 with DVD instead of Blu-ray and sold it for around the same price as the 360. They didn't because right now Blu-ray is much more important to the company as a whole. Obviously Sony's game division is going to make games, great games, but Sony as a whole is much more concerned with PS3 pushing the sales of Blu-ray movies than becoming the next big gaming console.

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3. 

It's not, why do you think Sony kept trying to discourage people from thinking of it as a gaming console about a year ago?

[QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever.  The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player.  The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance.  They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division.  The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600.  I have no need to get a PS3 at this point.  My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long mike7677

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

I agree TyrantDragon55 I believe the same. The PS3's main purpose is to push BR. It's brilliant but also very risky. If BR fails they will have a very bad time... If BR wins, expect to see massive price cuts for the PS3!

I hope it too, but who knows! MS is against BR because the DRM doesn't work with their OS the way that they want it to work...

And HD-DVD is getting the Matrix Trilogy, should be interesting.

TyrantDragon55

As is Blu-ray. 

[QUOTE="mike7677"][QUOTE="Kreean"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="mike7677"]Thiis thread started out with what I felt practicaally forever. The PS3 does not need a Blu Ray Player. The price will be $600 forever due to Sony's arrogance. They're failing miserably, yet their still arrogant.

But, for me, there is good news from another Sony division. The price of a new gen standalone Blu Ray player is going to be about $600. I have no need to get a PS3 at this point. My killer app for the PS3 is Final Fantasy XIII, if the PS3 can last that long TyrantDragon55

That depends on how you look at it, the PS3's primary purpose to sony as a whole is to push Blu-ray. And it's doing that quite well.

I agree TyrantDragon55 I believe the same. The PS3's main purpose is to push BR. It's brilliant but also very risky. If BR fails they will have a very bad time... If BR wins, expect to see massive price cuts for the PS3!

And HD-DVD is getting the Matrix Trilogy, should be interesting.

I don't even consider The Matrix a trilogy. The first one was great, the sequels were hilariously, painfully, disgustingly awful. I consider the third one, "Regurgitations" to be among the biggest flops and worst movies of all time.

Not getting the Matrix isn't a downer for me.

While we're talking about HD releases, whats the scoop on 300, and Grindhouse? Two movies I'm eagerly anticipating.  

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

And HD-DVD is getting the Matrix Trilogy, should be interesting.

purplemidgets

As is Blu-ray. 

Is it? I've only seen comercials for HD-DVD, I guess HD-DVD really is doomed.

I don't even consider The Matrix a trilogy. The first one was great, the sequels were hilariously, painfully, disgustingly awful. I consider the third one, "Regurgitations" to be among the biggest flops and worst movies of all time.

Not getting the Matrix isn't a downer for me.

While we're talking about HD releases, whats the scoop on 300, and Grindhouse? Two movies I'm eagerly anticipating.  

D_Znuhtz

I have no idea, just look up the studios that made them and which formats they're supporting.

Is it? I've only seen comercials for HD-DVD, I guess HD-DVD really is doomed.

TyrantDragon55

Timed exclusive. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3.

TyrantDragon55

It's not, why do you think Sony kept trying to discourage people from thinking of it as a gaming console about a year ago?

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3.

shungokustasu

It's not, why do you think Sony kept trying to discourage people from thinking of it as a gaming console about a year ago?

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

Actually, I disagree.

Sony has always pushed a new format or multimedia, but they never tried to make their system overall more powerful until PS3/PSP. The PS1 wasn't as powerful as the N64 in many ways, and the PS2 was garbage compared to the GC and Xbox in terms of hardware.
I don't know why they tried to fix every little problem with the last systems when they had no legitimate reason to, other than to please a few naysayers who never mattered in the first place and found something else to hate.

[QUOTE="purplemidgets"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]I can't believe people are defending Sony milking them.Lilac_Benjie

Bluray is the very definition of milking. It's an additional mandatory component that you do not need to play games.

It's amazing how people are complaining about having more space than before.

'Teh diskswapping' is alright when you're playing an RPG. You progress in a story and in the process, you swap the disc.
What about a GTA-like free-roam game?Say you need to swap discs whenever you enter a new area?
Yeah yeah, I know; "GTA IV is being done on the 360 as well, and it all fits on a single DVD." But the city is said to be smaller than in San Andreas.

So, perhaps the Blu-Ray seems like a not-so-useful addon right now. People also were sceptical about the PS2 using DVDs, saying that most of the games that were released back then were also still large enough to fit on a simple, single CD.

The demands are getting higher, games are getting larger. Of course things can be done on a smaller medium (DVD) but in the coming years this medium will be more and more of a restriction to game developers.

Having the BR-drive as an addon would mean nothing to the PS3 in terms of games. You could watch movies only, and no game developer could benefit from it. So, what's the point?

One cool thing about Blu-Ray is even that games based on movies could even contain the film on the very same disk (Stranglehold for example contains an HD version of 'Hard Boiled').

You call it milking. I call it forward-thinking.

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

shungokustasu

I never said they were changing the way they did things, I just said their primary concern with the PS3 right now is it pushing Blu-ray (which it is undeniably doing), not dominating the video game industry.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3.

fatzombiepigeon

It's not, why do you think Sony kept trying to discourage people from thinking of it as a gaming console about a year ago?

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

Actually, I disagree.

Sony has always pushed a new format or multimedia, but they never tried to make their system overall more powerful until PS3/PSP. The PS1 wasn't as powerful as the N64 in many ways, and the PS2 was garbage compared to the GC and Xbox in terms of hardware.
I don't know why they tried to fix every little problem with the last systems when they had no legitimate reason to, other than to please a few naysayers who never mattered in the first place and found something else to hate.

What are you talking about? PS2 was powerful than the Dreamcast. Xbox, Gamecube and N64 came after the PS brands. It's only fitting for the one who shows his hand last is the strongest. The ONLY difference with the PS3 than it's predecessors is that Blu-ray is a only Sony made format. Can I get a QFT? This is the truest ish I ever wrote.

What are you talking about? PS2 was powerful than the Dreamcast. Xbox, Gamecube and N64 came after the PS brands. It's only fitting for the one who shows his hand last is the strongest. The ONLY difference with the PS3 than it's predecessors is that Blu-ray is a only Sony made format. Can I get a QFT? This is the truest ish I ever wrote.

shungokustasu

Blu-ray isn't only sony made, there were quite a few companies that worked together to create it. Microsoft has even said that if Blu-ray succeeds, they'll release a blu-ray player for the 360.

*edit: And can we please cut down on the quote chains guys?

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

TyrantDragon55

I never said they were changing the way they did things, I just said their primary concern with the PS3 right now is it pushing Blu-ray (which it is undeniably doing), not dominating the video game industry.

My problem with your statement is it making it seem like Sony only cares about the Blu-ray. The "primary concern" is not blu-ray. Yes, they did to win the format war, but to say it's the primary reason for the PS3 is totally inaccurate. Being a PS3 owner, I feel like they supporting the gaming side of the PS3 better than what they doing to blu-ray. Do you have a PS3? check the PS Store and see what I'm talking about. 

[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I know the reason for the blu-ray was to win the next format war; however, I always believed that gaming was the main priority for the PS3. Their was a reason why you separated the gaming division from Sony itself. You choosing to ignore it. Blu-ray is important to Sony, but gaming is still the top priority for the PS3.

shungokustasu

It's not, why do you think Sony kept trying to discourage people from thinking of it as a gaming console about a year ago?

Wow...1996 Ken was telling people that the PS1 was not a gaming console, but a computer. They've always been trying to tell people that it's not just a gaming console. The idea of the playstation is a 1 stop media center in the living room. It has always been that way. PS2 was one of the big pushers for DVD, and yet no one complain back then. Why everyone is crying now? Oh that's right it's out of people's price range. Sony never change their strategy about the PS brand, it's you noticing it more when the price tag got higher.

Actually, I disagree.

Sony has always pushed a new format or multimedia, but they never tried to make their system overall more powerful until PS3/PSP. The PS1 wasn't as powerful as the N64 in many ways, and the PS2 was garbage compared to the GC and Xbox in terms of hardware.
I don't know why they tried to fix every little problem with the last systems when they had no legitimate reason to, other than to please a few naysayers who never mattered in the first place and found something else to hate.

What are you talking about? PS2 was powerful than the Dreamcast. Xbox, Gamecube and N64 came after the PS brands. It's only fitting for the one who shows his hand last is the strongest. The ONLY difference with the PS3 than it's predecessors is that Blu-ray is a only Sony made format. Can I get a QFT? This is the truest ish I ever wrote.

That doesn't change the fact that they never focused on super powerful hardware.
I like the PS3, but I still don't understand why they did all this. Maybe they thought they needed to.

My problem with your statement is it making it seem like Sony only cares about the Blu-ray. The "primary concern" is not blu-ray. Yes, they did to win the format war, but to say it's the primary reason for the PS3 is totally inaccurate. Being a PS3 owner, I feel like they supporting the gaming side of the PS3 better than what they doing to blu-ray. Do you have a PS3? check the PS Store and see what I'm talking about. 

shungokustasu

It's not their only concern, but naturally it's their major concern because it is potentially the most profitable aspect of the system. And no I don't have one yet, I'm waiting on a price drop before I make that plunge.

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What are you talking about? PS2 was powerful than the Dreamcast. Xbox, Gamecube and N64 came after the PS brands. It's only fitting for the one who shows his hand last is the strongest. The ONLY difference with the PS3 than it's predecessors is that Blu-ray is a only Sony made format. Can I get a QFT? This is the truest ish I ever wrote.

TyrantDragon55

Blu-ray isn't only sony made, there were quite a few companies that worked together to create it. Microsoft has even said that if Blu-ray succeeds, they'll release a blu-ray player for the 360.

BDA was guided by Sony with the help of other companies. Sony is most of the Blu-Ray Disc Association. Unlike Cd and DVD, Sony was just helpers.

[QUOTE="dcm06"]and im happy i was able to get a ps3 and 360. think i have spent about 1600$ for all my stuff on both systems. Lilac_Benjie

I have rent. Food. Electricity and gas. I can't afford to spend 1600$ on gaming alone. :?

All I'm saying is that bluray is not important for gaming. It's all just hype and big business. 

FINALLY! Someone FINALLY shares the same opinion as me on the ridiculous financial expense of this HOBBY! There is this thing called "life", kids. When you move out of the house and into the real world you'll realize that there are smart roads to go down in life, and there are, ehhh..., not-so-smart roads to go down. People have rent, they have student loans, they have to pay for food, car insurance, car  loans, health insurance (cause sorry, many companies aren't carrying that load for you anymore...), etc etc. Maybe you have a girlfriend..? - well, guess what? they are pretty expenive, too... "Life" also has the audacity to hurl things at you unexpectantly without notice. "Oh crap, someone backed into my car and didn't leave any of their info!"...well good lord, there goes $600 bucks... "What honey, you're knocked up? Oh......great........I'm so.......happy.....?" There goes a HUGE chunk of your finances. Who knows what will happen, but life is unpredictable, and the WISE route to take in life is by saving a little cash and being smart about your expenses- no matter how much of it you actually make. Even if you absolutetly LOVE gaming (and I do), is dropping over 1500 bucks on the HARDWARE ALONE to own all 3 systems an intelligent move to make? Ummmm, no. It's not, and don't try to explain otherwise. I simply cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a video game system, especially when the hype surrounding it ended up self-imploding. Blue Ray? pssshhh, come the heck on...

That doesn't change the fact that they never focused on super powerful hardware.
I like the PS3, but I still don't understand why they did all this. Maybe they thought they needed to.

fatzombiepigeon

But they did. At the time the Emotion Engine and forget the other technology was State-of-the-art. Technology advanced shortly after, thus reason why Gamecube and Xbox were better.