Why couldn't Sony have made the PS3 bluray player a peripheral add-on?

[QUOTE="fatzombiepigeon"]

That doesn't change the fact that they never focused on super powerful hardware.
I like the PS3, but I still don't understand why they did all this. Maybe they thought they needed to.

shungokustasu

But they did. At the time the Emotion Engine and forget the other technology was State-of-the-art. Technology advanced shortly after, thus reason why Gamecube and Xbox were better.  

I can't believe the short, one year gap between the PS2 and Xbox produced that big of a difference only from one year of advancement.

Even if it did, if they ever were really interested in state-of-the-art, they probably would have waited to release next tot eh Xbox and GC.

I am glad they didn't. I may be wrong, but I have never looked at Sony as the big hardware pusher, and in a way, deep down, I respected them for it. I don't know why, but some kind of admiration came from it, wether it stemmed from my own ignorance or things Sony actually did.

Why should Sony have made BR a add on?

I WANT to be able to enjoy BR movies on my HDTV and 5.1 Paradigm surround system.

And NOT ONE dev has complained about the inclusion of BR in PS3.

Not so with 360 with it's  DVD-9 ROM and non standard HDD.

Why should Sony have made BR a add on?

 

I WANT to be able to enjoy BR movies on my HDTV and 5.1 Paradigm surround system.

 

And NOT ONE dev has complained about the inclusion of BR in PS3.

 

Not so with 360 with it's  DVD-9 ROM and non standard HDD.

mentzer

Devs have complained about BD, it's increase in dev costs, and even David Jaffe.

Despite this, it is quickly becoming an important move by Sony.

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="dcm06"]and im happy i was able to get a ps3 and 360. think i have spent about 1600$ for all my stuff on both systems. WhoaNellie32

I have rent. Food. Electricity and gas. I can't afford to spend 1600$ on gaming alone. :?

All I'm saying is that bluray is not important for gaming. It's all just hype and big business.

FINALLY! Someone FINALLY shares the same opinion as me on the ridiculous financial expense of this HOBBY! There is this thing called "life", kids. When you move out of the house and into the real world you'll realize that there are smart roads to go down in life, and there are, ehhh..., not-so-smart roads to go down. People have rent, they have student loans, they have to pay for food, car insurance, car loans, health insurance (cause sorry, many companies aren't carrying that load for you anymore...), etc etc. Maybe you have a girlfriend..? - well, guess what? they are pretty expenive, too... "Life" also has the audacity to hurl things at you unexpectantly without notice. "Oh crap, someone backed into my car and didn't leave any of their info!"...well good lord, there goes $600 bucks... "What honey, you're knocked up? Oh......great........I'm so.......happy.....?" There goes a HUGE chunk of your finances. Who knows what will happen, but life is unpredictable, and the WISE route to take in life is by saving a little cash and being smart about your expenses- no matter how much of it you actually make. Even if you absolutetly LOVE gaming (and I do), is dropping over 1500 bucks on the HARDWARE ALONE to own all 3 systems an intelligent move to make? Ummmm, no. It's not, and don't try to explain otherwise. I simply cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a video game system, especially when the hype surrounding it ended up self-imploding. Blue Ray? pssshhh, come the heck on...

I live in Canada. The economy is exploding. It's easy to get a good job with insane amounts of expendable income.

Price really is not an issue, considering gaming is one of my top 5 pastimes.

This "when you kids grow up" garbage is way off the mark. A lot of us manage to pay rent, have friends, watch movies, TV, eat, pay utilities, cell phone, internet, get drunk, smoke, buy clothes, etc and still have plenty of money left over for fun stuff like games. By Xmas I'll have a PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PSP, DS Lite and a DX10 PC, and I don't think any of the money will have been wasted. 

If you can't afford it, get a better job. If you can't get a better job, get some edumacation. If you can't afford edumacation, get a student loan. Even single moms with 3 kids manage to pull themselves out of the gutter, if they can do it, you can too! If the issue is that you simply do not value video games enough to spend that kind of money on them, then that's just a matter of perspective. I think any money spent on games is money well spent. It's not for everyone.

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="dcm06"]and im happy i was able to get a ps3 and 360. think i have spent about 1600$ for all my stuff on both systems. WhoaNellie32

I have rent. Food. Electricity and gas. I can't afford to spend 1600$ on gaming alone. :?

All I'm saying is that bluray is not important for gaming. It's all just hype and big business.

FINALLY! Someone FINALLY shares the same opinion as me on the ridiculous financial expense of this HOBBY! There is this thing called "life", kids. When you move out of the house and into the real world you'll realize that there are smart roads to go down in life, and there are, ehhh..., not-so-smart roads to go down. People have rent, they have student loans, they have to pay for food, car insurance, car loans, health insurance (cause sorry, many companies aren't carrying that load for you anymore...), etc etc. Maybe you have a girlfriend..? - well, guess what? they are pretty expenive, too... "Life" also has the audacity to hurl things at you unexpectantly without notice. "Oh crap, someone backed into my car and didn't leave any of their info!"...well good lord, there goes $600 bucks... "What honey, you're knocked up? Oh......great........I'm so.......happy.....?" There goes a HUGE chunk of your finances. Who knows what will happen, but life is unpredictable, and the WISE route to take in life is by saving a little cash and being smart about your expenses- no matter how much of it you actually make. Even if you absolutetly LOVE gaming (and I do), is dropping over 1500 bucks on the HARDWARE ALONE to own all 3 systems an intelligent move to make? Ummmm, no. It's not, and don't try to explain otherwise. I simply cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a video game system, especially when the hype surrounding it ended up self-imploding. Blue Ray? pssshhh, come the heck on...

I suppose you will be happy playing your PS1 and your Gameboy Color until the end of time then.

Whining about your bills has no place in gaming discussion. Video gaming is a superfluous hobby, unnecessary to your existance. That fact is built into it's very nature. If you can't afford a $600 console because you spent your money on hookers and rims for your Pinto then don't buy it today, simple as that. But justification should be measured by determining if the features provided by the console will be used and enjoyed by the purchaser. I would definately enjoy every feature of the PS3. I just need to see if the games measure up before I take the plunge. If the games I want to play are only on PS3, then it is definitaely worth my money.

[QUOTE="WhoaNellie32"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

[QUOTE="dcm06"]and im happy i was able to get a ps3 and 360. think i have spent about 1600$ for all my stuff on both systems. D_Znuhtz

I have rent. Food. Electricity and gas. I can't afford to spend 1600$ on gaming alone. :?

All I'm saying is that bluray is not important for gaming. It's all just hype and big business.

FINALLY! Someone FINALLY shares the same opinion as me on the ridiculous financial expense of this HOBBY! There is this thing called "life", kids. When you move out of the house and into the real world you'll realize that there are smart roads to go down in life, and there are, ehhh..., not-so-smart roads to go down. People have rent, they have student loans, they have to pay for food, car insurance, car loans, health insurance (cause sorry, many companies aren't carrying that load for you anymore...), etc etc. Maybe you have a girlfriend..? - well, guess what? they are pretty expenive, too... "Life" also has the audacity to hurl things at you unexpectantly without notice. "Oh crap, someone backed into my car and didn't leave any of their info!"...well good lord, there goes $600 bucks... "What honey, you're knocked up? Oh......great........I'm so.......happy.....?" There goes a HUGE chunk of your finances. Who knows what will happen, but life is unpredictable, and the WISE route to take in life is by saving a little cash and being smart about your expenses- no matter how much of it you actually make. Even if you absolutetly LOVE gaming (and I do), is dropping over 1500 bucks on the HARDWARE ALONE to own all 3 systems an intelligent move to make? Ummmm, no. It's not, and don't try to explain otherwise. I simply cannot justify spending 600 dollars on a video game system, especially when the hype surrounding it ended up self-imploding. Blue Ray? pssshhh, come the heck on...

I live in Canada. The economy is exploding. It's easy to get a good job with insane amounts of expendable income.

Price really is not an issue, considering gaming is one of my top 5 pastimes.

This "when you kids grow up" garbage is way off the mark. A lot of us manage to pay rent, have friends, watch movies, TV, eat, pay utilities, cell phone, internet, get drunk, smoke, buy clothes, etc and still have plenty of money left over for fun stuff like games. By Xmas I'll have a PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PSP, DS Lite and a DX10 PC, and I don't think any of the money will have been wasted.

If you can't afford it, get a better job. If you can't get a better job, get some edumacation. If you can't afford edumacation, get a student loan. Even single moms with 3 kids manage to pull themselves out of the gutter, if they can do it, you can too! If the issue is that you simply do not value video games enough to spend that kind of money on them, then that's just a matter of perspective. I think any money spent on games is money well spent. It's not for everyone.

I appreciate your genuine words of inspiration, and you'll be glad to know with your carefully articulated words you alone have managed to motivate me to finally muster the courage to leave the slums... Paaalease! I'm not here to debate the economic state of any particular country an individual may live in (and the robust opportunities that which might be provided because of them...), you cannot justify to me that spending that much money on video games is showing any sort of personal financial intelligence.   I'm sorry, I love video games. I bought the XBOX when it came out at full price before college. Later on when the price dropped I got a Gamecube, and recently I picked up a PS2 from my friend who practically gave it to me for a pair of puma shoes. I have a n64, a psx, and an snes. I'm not against buying systems whatsoever, what I am saying is that $600 is an insane amount to pay for just one system (especally when the root of its expenses can be blaimed on a feature that has nothing to do with games...ahem, blue ray..). I have to think that as people pay their monthly expenses on their various bills, that most would want to do the smart thing and be a little frugile with what they have left. While I understand everyone's situation in life is different from the next, I don't care if I'm a very successful accountant or a lowly janitor i can't justify spending my money all three game systems at full price. I'm happy that you can individually assess your own financial state and justify spending all that money on games. I honestly cannot. From my perspective, having and accumilating wealth opens doors for you later on in the future that you may never have had if you would have spent it unwisely. Looking at myself as an example, do I have what you would call an "expendable income"? Yes, I do. I have to say I'm quite proud of where I'm at financially in my young adult life. I'm sticking to my guns, it is simply unwise to just blow away one's money on a hobby ( a hobby that has a knck for continually giving you reasons to throw money at it...). Especially when that "expendable income" could be used and distributed among many hobbies, saving up for future ventures, or going on a vacation.

because no one would buy it, plus id rather have everything in one box...

 

People arent even gonna be complaining about bluray in another 2 years

people will be thanking sony for the extra space and sony will be thanking themselves for finally winning a format battle.

springz300

Nope, with current PS3 sales that's not going to happen 

Sony has been trying to raise the bar with each console. The only problem was the competitors got wise and followed leaving Sony in a position of go all-in or fold. With each incarnation Sony attempted to make large leaps in media innovation. Note I don't say innovation in general, just towards media innovation. Cartridges, at the time, we're running low on space. The CD (a Sony creation if I'm not mistaken) alleviated this problem temporarily. Of course, the games took up too much space and we got things like the Final Fantasies which required 3-4 discs to compensate. Playstation 2 comes along and DVD works great. Also note that the DVD while being created by Toshiba, had some help from Sony as well. I don't believe any PS2 titles required two discs. Now for the PS3 is attempting yet another format. Some titles for the 360 are going to be multiple discs. I think Sony has attempted to stay one step ahead of the game in meeting the demands of the entertainment business and gaming developers in order to ensure the highest quality media. The PS3 adds a lot of functionality that the first two systems didn't have. No one complained about the CD player function of the original nor the DVD playing abilities of the second. People complain about the PS3's Blu-Ray because of the cost, but technology has a way of rapidly declining. I think in the end, regardless of the consumers lack of interest in HD movies, developers will find the extra space a boon, and that's where the gamers will profit.

As for fatzombie's earlier post about the vast hardware power difference between the PS2 and Xbox, it came down to timing, specifics, and Microsoft's involvement in the PC industry. The PS2 had many of its components specifically made and produced exclusively for it leading to a reduced cost. Even with its weaker stats, it produced near-Xbox-like quality in the end of its lifecycle as can be seen with games like the GoW series. The original Xbox was a poorly assembled POS made from PC components (as PCs have always remained ahead of consoles). M$ paid out the wazoo hoping that they could recoup money on software. They're still in the toilet and are working very hard to get themselves out of the red. M$ never fully tapped the potential of the Xbox and dumped to get ahead this gen.