Why do console peasants pay to play online?

I offers better service overall tough.

Yep, paid MMOs are much worse. Most console games can still be played locally without a subscription, whereas the MMOs are useless without a subscription and the money you paid for the games and expansions is just gone, with no use for the game without the subscription.

IF you can't tell the difference/requirement for continued income on massive infrastructure projects with constant development, large customer support/service staff teams ... compared to a company like MS/Sony just deciding "Hey, we will charge you to access games that don't require any of that! because we can!" then honestly your a lost cause.

Nevermind the fact, of once again all of this applies to consoles as well. Yes, games like FF14 bypass the sub wall. But your arguement is not platform unique to PC. It is purely based on the service being offered.

In the case of Xbox Live, there are so many ways not to pay for it, that it really isn't an issue. Plus there are tons of games I now have access to that I wouldn't have purchased. Right now my eldest is playing Slime Rancher, something we wouldn't have it hadn't been free with GWG.

Why do poor people buy stuff from fingerhut when it's 3x's the price? It's all about the upfront cost.

Yes, I can tell the difference between the hypocritical BS you spout and the resigned acceptance of console gamers. You put out all these excuses, like "the massive servers require the subscription" even though free to play MMOs prove this isn't the case. Or, "the subscription is needed for continued development" even though you have to pay again for expansions, updates are normal on all games, and once again, free to play MMOs don't need it. It's just poor excuses to justify being fleeced. Then again, I really shouldn't expect someone with a Nazi motto in his sig to be very bright.

Idiotic point. There are only two MMOs with subs on the market and they're old as ****. You have to pay a sub to play every game on consoles online. The two situations are not even remotely comparable. If you don't want to play World Warcrap or Weeb Fantasy XIV, you don't have to. You can play every other game in your library without a sub.

Also, all new MMOs released today are F2P (GW2, ESO, BDO, etc.).

I don't have a choice. Gaming businesses need a way to grind out revenue.

I find DLC, season passes, loot boxes and some video games (Metal Gear Survive) are a spit in the face.

You're grateful for things that are free because further down the line, they become chargeable.

How is that hypocritical when I addressed this already?

Subscription or Micro transactions... PICK ONE - that is how you sustain these projects... depending on the game model, the Sub can work out less.

So you want projects that have constant development and infrastructure costs to survive with 1 additional payment every 2 years? (expansions?). Lets be honest here, you clearly either don't have a clue about the market you are babbeling on about, or just saying half-truths to get by. Ofcourse, the rates they charge is another story.

"Updates are normal on all games" ... yea not on the same scale as MMO's by any stretch of the imagination, usually bug fixes or small extras, anything bigger ends up being DLC. MMO's have to deliver larger content patches every 2-3 months while also working on the next expansion while constant patching/fixes/balancing.

And once again, none of this applies specifically to PC gamers, and once again, PC gamers are not getting charged to play non-mmos while console gamers are ... no leg to stand on, I know your desperate for a win, but cmon.

"Then Again"

Someone who thinks a massive System Wars related meme that bares no connection with Nazi Germany beyond 2 simple words is somehow anything more than a parody can't be very bright themselves.

Rule of thumb: If companies can get away with riding you like a donkey, they will...

I had to enable sigs to see what that poster was talking about. So the phrase "PC master race" is now a celebration of nazism? LOL. You can't make this shit up.

Yes, hypocritical because those paid MMOs also have microtransactions, they aren't just picking one. You say it's for continued development, yet the results of that, the expansions, still cost extra. You act like limited time events with reused assets and tweaked stats is some monumental achievement. The cost is nowhere near what companies like Blizzard were raking in for subscriptions during their peak. The mental gymnastics you try to not admit to yourself that you're being fleeced is astounding.

So you don't know the meaning of the word "parody" either. Just a troll that doesn't realize how stupid it makes him look.

Stop grasping, its embarrassing.

Everything has microtransactions now. in the subbed games they are not required, and as others have pointed out there are what 2 on the market now? (1 of which has other methods). you HAVE to pay to play free online games, get that through your head.

"produce a humorously exaggerated imitation of (a writer, artist, or genre)."

Yahtzee was doing that with the whole PC vs Consoles malarky.

Again, your grasping.

In case you are completely ignorant of history, "Master Race" is a term that was used by Nazis to describe genetic superiority and help justify their actions. It is also inherently a racist term and thus against both this sites terms of service and CBS's use policies. Adapting a variation used in parody elsewhere does not change the meaning of the words, particularly when the use changes or is simply used to troll and incite a reaction like this user has admitted to.

You scrubs started microtransactions and paying to play online. At least with PS plus you get free games. BB and R&C are free this month on PSN plus two AAA games you cant play anywhere else.

Black Desert Online is only F2P in Asia and Russia, its a buy to play title for the rest of the world. Guild Wars 2 was originally buy to play but it became F2P once its first expansion came out but to progress further in the game you have to buy the expansions. Elder Scrolls Online was originally subscription based but it switch to buy to play after a year on PC. EVE Online is the only other big MMO on PC that is still subscription based but its pretty old too and its F2P now to a certain extent. SWTOR is the only big MMO on PC from this decade aside from FFXIV to still charge for subscriptions but even it has a F2P option now. Most subscription based MMOs on PC are dead or switched to the Free To Play/Buy To Play model. Considering how many options there are for MMOs on PC if people felt they were getting ripped off by these subscription games they would've jumped ship already.

^ Because many people don't feel like it's a rip off, the monthly sub made for a more consistant development process, not tailored around "how can we encourage/force people to buy extras?" the quality all around is better with those games.

Is this a note for yourself?

Everything has microtransactions now. in the subbed games they are not required, and as others have pointed out there are what 2 on the market now? (1 of which has other methods).

So since they're less popular now, we're just going to ignore the near 2 decades of them?

you HAVE to pay to play free online games, get that through your head.

LOL, what? Now you're not even making sense.

"produce a humorously exaggerated imitation of (a writer, artist, or genre)."

Yahtzee was doing that with the whole PC vs Consoles malarky.

Again, your grasping.

Gee, someone can Google and copy the first thing he finds. You aren't Yahtzee and you aren't using it how he did. Grow up.

You literally have nothing.

"no u" and trying to put/twist words into my mouth just proves it.

carry on though.

I noticed that most of the good offers on PSN+ are first/second party exclusives because Sony can easily cover the cost for them being given out at a lower price. Nearly everything else on PSN+ is already cheap indies and a few old games that go on sale a lot. PC gets actual free games without paying for a subscription from GOG, Uplay, Origin, Humble Bundle and sometimes Steam. Most of the games you get in Humble Bundle subscriptions are way better than what you get on PSN+ and you get way more games than PSN+ from each monthly bundle.

Even if microtransactions and paying to play online started on PC we're still not paying monthly/yearly fees to be able to play all our games online. Microsoft already tried that crap with Games For Windows Live and PC gamers kicked them to the curve. Valve tried to do paid mods and we reprimanded them. It's not our fault console gamers put up no resistance to console companies charging for online.

@NoodleFighter: Im sorry but if $50 a year breaks you you need a new hobby. PSN was free for nearly 6 years and Sonys gaming division went nearly bankrupt. I enjoy playing online and not having to worry about all the pricks who use maphacks and aim bots so $50 a year to avoid that is worth it. If it wasnt for console gaming full priced games would be all but extinct as PC gamers are fully content by getting raped with microtransactions. Meanwhile on PC you have your collection of games spread throughout 5 ecosystems while on consoles you have them all in one place.

@MonsieurX: Forgot to talk about the TITAN XP and the 5000$ required upgrades

I hated the idea of paying for online, but the games make it tolerable to me. That was the wrinkle Sony threw in. Obviously when XBL started out it was pure madness to pay for what had always been free, I didn't get that at all. Of course it was quite easy to get XBL subscriptions for just $1/mo in the 360 era. Only a fool would pay the monthly price. Even if the $1/mo stuff doesn't exist anymore, you can still get them around Christmas for $35-40 for the full year.

For the last several years, I probably spend like 50% of my gaming time playing something I got from PS+. So that makes it tolerable. I also typically load up on PS+ when they go on sale during the holidays. I had like 4 years saved up from when it was $15/yr a few years ago. Unfortunately I don't think that deal will be repeated again, but if I saw a cheap deal like that I'd probably lock in another 3 or 4 years.

Its just stupid because if we had free access to each others spending lives we'd see plenty of things another may call frivolous spending. Anybody buying bottled water? Get over it. Its my money, not yours.

Lack of options? It's not that much money, so chill out.

You get free games on Steam, Origin, and Uplay. You also get games for nearly free on Steam during sales. Recent AAA titles are <$5 during every sale.

$60 is 5 extra movies you could have gone to watch that year, or a full AAA game. You're literally donating $60/year to Sony/MS.

Gaming online for free is certainly an advantage to PC gaming, but paying for online arguably gets you a better regulated experience, with less cheaters overall. Also Steam's interface is quite a mess in comparison to the Playstation store, Xbox marketplace or Eshop imo.

Nothing about what you said makes me think that it's a lot of money.

Because I have a more enjoyable time playing console MP games than i do PC MP games.

Why do PC gamers claim to spend hundreds even thousands on a 'rig' then complain about the price of games and wait for games to turn up for $5 on a Steam sale before buying fucking anything?

Could they be lying about their uber expensive rig? Who exactly are the 'peasants' here? Look at the clown asking about Halo lore on another thread who at the end of it all says oh I'll wait till it's on sale on Steam.

Peasants? Fucking paupers.

You get value for the money you spend on hardware. You don't get any value for paying to play console games online (an artificial price attached to a service that is free).

I don't pay to play online, never have, never will. I have a good gaming PC. My point was simply to call you out on calling console gamers 'peasants' when PC gamers are BY FAR the poorest gamers in the whole videogame community if you believe the absolutely endless begging for games from other platforms then the inevitable 'I'll wait for a Steam sale'.

These people are all broke, yet claim to be buying high end 'rigs' so they can post haha PC winz on every thread.

You actually couldn't make this shit up. The vast majority of 'alleged' PC gamers with high end rigs are fake, peasants if you will, I know how that resonates with you.

Waiting for sales = being financially responsible.

My backlog of games on PC is over a dozen at any given time. Unless I'm a huge fan of a game, I can wait 3 months for it to be 50% off, or 12 months for it to be 75% off. Steam provides unprecedented value to gamers.

And I never see any port begging. The only console exclusive PC gamers wanted was Bloodborne because they felt Fromsoft owed it to them after they essentially saved the company with their incredible support of Dark Souls 1 (after Sony dumped them). But Fromsoft turned their backs to the PC crowd and went back to Sony at the first opportunity.

Well, consoles are sold at a loss, so you gotta make a profit somehow. And the fact that RAM and GPU prices today are absurdly high, paying 60 bucks a year for online isn't much of a stretch.

Gaming PCs cost $2000

I just built a new PC for ~$1200 USD this month (GTX 1080 and Ryzen R5 1600).

Just over twice as expensive as an X1X but several dozen times more powerful. PC gaming is much better value than console gaming.

by what metric is that setup "several dozen" times more powerful?

Edit: The CPU is many times more powerful, but a 1080 is probably only twice as powerful as a One X

@gtx021: you mean 10 000$

I never understand why the laster race is so fascinated with what console gamers do with their own money, I mean you don't see me making threads about the laster race buying $1000+ PC's do you?

You should go play Monster Hunter World, oh wait never mind my bad :(

@cainetao11: Yep exactly.

Btw, I love reading your sig quote. Makes me laugh. Epitomizes the delusional fanboys you get in SW. Lol.

Why do PC elitists always have to have a superiority complex over a simple hobby? When console fanboys bicker, its easy to see that it's just a bunch of kids arguing over plastic, but why PC? You see the "peasant" name calling on threads, and the only rational reason I can think of is the need to still feel relevant.

Nobody really cares how powerful your PC is. If you bragged about it in real life "umm, okay good for you" would most likely be the response. so people have to make threads and call names to feel superior.

My Dad and I built a 66' Nova SS but you don't see me making threads trash talking Honda Civic owners because well, nobody cares and It's a super douchey thing to do.

Seems like a weird question when you already know the answer; closed platforms. There simply is no other choice on Xbox or PlayStation. Its not like they can boot up some third party app. Well, I used to use Xbox Connect (XBC) to play Halo CE and Halo 2 online, but that was primarily to be able to play Halo CE online at all.

Its not even like console consumers can even protest. "We won't pay for this shit".
MS/PS: "Okay, good luck going online for all the games you own".

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/

I barely play online. I pay for the Plus for the monthly games. Have discovered dozens of amazing gems, mostly indies, thanks to it.

Honestly, amazing deal.

$50 a year? More like $60 a year now since Sony increased the price of PSN+ back in November for the US and in August and September for Canada, Europe and other regions. Also keep in mind in some countries such as Canada and India PSN+ and XBL Gold cost more than the equivalent of $60 USD there. What's stopping Sony and M$ from increasing the price from $60 to $70 this year or next or at the start of the next gen of consoles? You don't even have choice of paying for something like EA Access just because Sony themselves decided it wasn't a good enough value for gamers. While being spread across different clients may be less convenient it as the advantage of your entire online gaming system being taken down. PSN and XBL go down from time to time so your $50-$60 a year clearly aren't being put to good use. It's practically a tradition for PSN and XBL to be down when its the holiday season. PSN is also really slow at downloading games especially in comparison to Steam. You can't even change your name on PSN.

If hacking was that bad on PC hardly one would play online games and Esports wouldn't be dominated by PC.

What makes Steam's interface a mess in comparison to the ones on console?

It's simple:

1. Console gamers don't have a choice, if that choice is to play online MP games with friends, then they don't need to pay to play online.
2. Console gamers love the ecosystem of there console choice thus they are cool to pay for the service.
3. Some pay to get the freebie games from XBL, PSN, Nintendo online.

I maybe a PC gamer and all but, if I have to pay $80 a month for decent internet Wi-Fi speed, then I'm paying to play online as far as I'm concerned, and I'm no different then the console gamers here. But yeah, it would really suck to pay an additional fee on top of that.

As far as these threads on "why console gamers gotta pay online" questions we normally get here, it is interesting seeing how opinions change. One if the biggest bullet points in the PS3 vs Xbox 360 debates around here was the free online on PS3. I really thought there would have been more push back when PS4 lost that point. I was sadly mistaken :(