Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?

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#1 Heroldp813
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Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

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#2 DroidPhysX
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They have different opinions maybe?

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To be honest I find it worse when people say the games are bad. I'm no Halo fan but the games certainly aren't bad. Ugly as sin but not bad by any means.

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Men in metal suits killing aliens with guns? Been there done that...
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Cause they're jelly.

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#6 foxhound_fox
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Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?
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#7 lundy86_4  Online
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I dunno where you're hanging out, because I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while. Are you talking about this board in particular, or just randomly?

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The only thing I think Halo brought was Dual Analogue Control and Regenerating health. Dual Analog would've happened sooner or later and I don't like that practically every FPS has Regenerating Health.

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#10 Lucianu
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Obviously it popularized FPS online gaming, on consoles, and was a extremely fluid game, with great visuals back then, all in all considering everything, it is one of the most important games for consoles.

Its just that.. Tribes influenced Halo greatly. And its simply insignificant compared to either Wolf3D, Doom or Half Life.

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The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.
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halo is a great series that helped push FPS's of that style sure, but honeslty I fail to see how it revolutionized the genre. I would say Perfect Dark 64 did more for the genre then Halo did.

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The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

Definitely agree with this.

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#14 -RocBoys9489-
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People here hate Halo and many of the newer users are too young to understand and play CoD 24/7, thinking that's a revolutionary FPS.
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The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

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#16 NaveedLife
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[QUOTE="kidcool189"]The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.z4twenny

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

Indeed.

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#17 Heroldp813
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I dunno where you're hanging out, because I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while. Are you talking about this board in particular, or just randomly?

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Take a look above you.

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Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?foxhound_fox
Exactly....it wasn't.....halo and cod are in the same boat...steal from other games like goldeneye, or perfect dark and add online....its not revolutionary b/c goldeneye didn't have that option due to its time.
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I don't know about Halo 1, but Halo 2 arguably introduced online to the masses and made it a mainstay for consoles.
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#20 Cali3350
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Because it didnt really? Halo did not do a single new thing in the genre, it just put it on consoles.

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[QUOTE="kidcool189"]The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.z4twenny

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

Well, ya, goldeneye deserves credit for that too. But Halo still took it another step going online with halo 2's multiplayer.
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#22 emorainbo
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IDK but I dont really see how this is SW related.

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#23 PAL360
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It´s an exclusive so it has to be bashed.

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It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then your mad!

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[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

Well, ya, goldeneye deserves credit for that too. But Halo still took it another step going online with halo 2's multiplayer.

Obviously Halo pushed online and Goldeneye didn't, they are a gen apart. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were massive though for split screen parties. And consoles just stole the online from PC :P.

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#26 emorainbo
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It´s an exclusive so it has to be bashed.

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No it isnt.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I dunno where you're hanging out, because I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while. Are you talking about this board in particular, or just randomly?

Heroldp813

Take a look above you.

This thread occurred after you stated that people were acting that way :? Your thread was the catalyst to people giving their opinions in a thread about what Halo did/did not revolutionize.

Anyway, why can't people have a different opinion? I really haven't seen you argue the opinion and give good reasoning as to your points.

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[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

Well, ya, goldeneye deserves credit for that too. But Halo still took it another step going online with halo 2's multiplayer.

Quake III Arena did that earlier then Halo 2 it had Online Multiplayer. I was also the first game to have Cross Platform play between PC and Dreamcast.

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I don't know about Halo 1, but Halo 2 arguably introduced online to the masses and made it a mainstay for consoles.forgot_it
See, this I'd agree with. Halo 2 did online on consoles better than any other console game at the time, and popularised a lot. Without Halo 2, XBL and PSN and Nintendo Wi-Fi (LOLOL) wouldn't be as big as they are. Halo 1 didn't really do much. Regenerating health I believe is its claim to fame, and standardising the controls for console FPSes for a while (but with the increased popularity of ironsights, even this isn't important anymore.) Not that Halo 1 is BAD, I really enjoyed it. I actually liked it more than 2. It just wasn't revolutionary.
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While it didn't bring an overwhelming amount of new things taken in itself (the way health regens is about it), it obviously set the template of the whole FPS package which games have followed for a good while now. So yeah, while it was far from the most innovative game out there, it WAS one of those games that was truly revolutionary. And keep in mind people, revolution implies that the thing in question changes what comes after it. Innovation and novelty do not equal revolution - revolution doesn't require anything overwhelmingly new, and rather, requires that it sets an example that others follow after. Zelda: OoT is often mistakingly called revolutionary when it was more novel (and not Z targeting, since that was done in WWE games for the N64 years before), since it is a game that has scarcely ever been cloned or copied, and you see next to no games emulating its formula. Halo, on the other hand, while not bringing a ton new to the table, had a formula which started an FPS revolution (which many resent), seeing as every second FPS was trying to emulate the Halo formula for years after.
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[QUOTE="punchacku"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?Heroldp813

Exactly....it wasn't.....halo and cod are in the same boat...steal from other games like goldeneye, or perfect dark and add online....its not revolutionary b/c goldeneye didn't have that option due to its time.

You guys are crazy, seriously. Must be young.

Why must they be young? Because they are talking about games that came out BEFORE Halo, which obviously influenced Halo a ton?

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People here hate Halo and many of the newer users are too young to understand and play CoD 24/7, thinking that's a revolutionary FPS.-RocBoys9489-
I find this ironically hilarious. People who put Halo on a pedestal are also "too young" to remember games like Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, Unreal and Tribes, which essentially built the foundation for the modern FPS genre and popularized it with the world mainstream market. All Halo did was expand that exact same market that was dominant for over half a decade onto consoles.
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It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then your mad!

Daytona_178
Exactly, when Halo came out in November 2001, there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. The only other FPS that challenged it was Half-Life, on PC. When Halo 2 came out in 04 and people played the campaign which wasn't half as good as the first, luckily, the online component was there and it turned out to be the first truly mainstream and huge online console game. Man, those were the days.
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then your mad!

-RocBoys9489-

Exactly, when Halo came out in November 2001, there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. The only other FPS that challenged it was Half-Life, on PC. When Halo 2 came out in 04 and people played the campaign which wasn't half as good as the first, luckily, the online component was there and it turned out to be the first truly mainstream and huge online console game. Man, those were the days.

Um, no. Unreal Tournament, Tribes, Wolfenstein etc were all more than a match for Halo (and in all cases had much better MP). Halo was the first good console FPS, nothing more.

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Seriously, who cares if it borrowed things from previous games (that happens everywhere)? The point is that every modern FPS on consoles borrows from it.
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#37 Renegade_Fury
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Halo 2 is revolutionary, no doubt. Halo CE, I'll say began this crazy FPS phase that we're still in now. Hell, the Xbox brand would have died if not for Halo CE.

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[QUOTE="punchacku"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?Heroldp813

Exactly....it wasn't.....halo and cod are in the same boat...steal from other games like goldeneye, or perfect dark and add online....its not revolutionary b/c goldeneye didn't have that option due to its time.

You guys are crazy, seriously. Must be young.

Not young....your not speaking to some little high schooler here.....Young kids don't know about goldeneye 64....or perfect dark...What are you talking about? my little brother is 16 and he plays games but knows nothing about goldeneye 64....i'm 26 with two kids....believe me i'm grown @$$ man.

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Really? it did? *mind blown*
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?

halo changed the pacing of fps's so well, with the addition of regening health it allowed you to take more chances without cripplling your save, it was the first arcade fps that limited your weapon usage, it brought extremely well done vehicle sections to help balance the fps aspects of the game. Halo did bring many things to the tabe that pretty much all fps's follow now.
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The only thing I think Halo brought was Dual Analogue Control and Regenerating health. Dual Analog would've happened sooner or later and I don't like that practically every FPS has Regenerating Health.

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and a refined auto assist aiming function. this is true small achievement or not...
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then your mad!

Cali3350

Exactly, when Halo came out in November 2001, there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. The only other FPS that challenged it was Half-Life, on PC. When Halo 2 came out in 04 and people played the campaign which wasn't half as good as the first, luckily, the online component was there and it turned out to be the first truly mainstream and huge online console game. Man, those were the days.

Um, no. Unreal Tournament, Tribes, Wolfenstein etc were all more than a match for Halo (and in all cases had much better MP). Halo was the first good console FPS, nothing more.

Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok 2, and Duke Nukem 3D disagree.

I loved all those games on the N64. All except Perfect Dark I sadly never played it.

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then your mad!

Cali3350

Exactly, when Halo came out in November 2001, there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. The only other FPS that challenged it was Half-Life, on PC. When Halo 2 came out in 04 and people played the campaign which wasn't half as good as the first, luckily, the online component was there and it turned out to be the first truly mainstream and huge online console game. Man, those were the days.

Um, no. Unreal Tournament, Tribes, Wolfenstein etc were all more than a match for Halo (and in all cases had much better MP). Halo was the first good console FPS, nothing more.

lol no..

goldeneye , perfect dark , turok...all great.

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[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I dunno where you're hanging out, because I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while. Are you talking about this board in particular, or just randomly?

lundy86_4

Take a look above you.

This thread occurred after you stated that people were acting that way :? Your thread was the catalyst to people giving their opinions in a thread about what Halo did/did not revolutionize.

Anyway, why can't people have a different opinion? I really haven't seen you argue the opinion and give good reasoning as to your points.

What? I have no reasoning or points to prove. What are you talking about? You said people dont bash Halobut I see it all the time on SW. Even though the game was and still is amazing.

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#45 kidcool189
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[QUOTE="kidcool189"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

im pretty sure that was goldeneye

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Well, ya, goldeneye deserves credit for that too. But Halo still took it another step going online with halo 2's multiplayer.

Quake III Arena did that earlier then Halo 2 it had Online Multiplayer. I was also the first game to have Cross Platform play between PC and Dreamcast.

You're certainly correct, but both you and I know that halo 2 made a bigger impact for online console shooters, which was the point of my first post and answer to the topic. On a side note, i really dont care for the halo franchise. In fact i really dislike most modern console shooter's in general w/ the exception of metroid prime series(obviously not a standard fps though) and the n64 shooters :P.

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]People here hate Halo and many of the newer users are too young to understand and play CoD 24/7, thinking that's a revolutionary FPS.foxhound_fox
I find this ironically hilarious. People who put Halo on a pedestal are also "too young" to remember games like Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, Unreal and Tribes, which essentially built the foundation for the modern FPS genre and popularized it with the world mainstream market. All Halo did was expand that exact same market that was dominant for over half a decade onto consoles.

1. You're naming a ton of PC games 2. Console FPS before Halo on PS2/PS1/N64 (and even the above PC games) had nothing on Halo, the game was just way too ahead of its time. The level design, variety of environments, how fluid and great the guns felt, musical score, brutal AI of the covenant. Like I said, the only game to rival Halo was Half-Life.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?savagetwinkie
halo changed the pacing of fps's so well, with the addition of regening health it allowed you to take more chances without cripplling your save, it was the first arcade fps that limited your weapon usage, it brought extremely well done vehicle sections to help balance the fps aspects of the game. Halo did bring many things to the tabe that pretty much all fps's follow now.

Regenerating health and limited weapons I am completely willing to give to Halo as the the main driver in the innovation. Halo did those very well, and I was a very fun game. But the vehicle sections were INFERIOR to tribes, and the online in Halo has ALWAYS just been a copy of Unreal Tournament. As for pacing thats more a matter of the heal regeneration, so its more counting something twice.

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there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. [...]-RocBoys9489-
Except Perfect Dark. Which had a longer campaign (objectives changed with difficulty, something that never caught on in FPS games), tons of different multiplayer modes and maps with a fully customizable experience, and something that makes every other non-online console shooter a joke: bots. A way of expanding the amount of "people" playing on a single console at once, adding greatly to the fun.
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What? I have no reasoning or points to prove. What are you talking about? You said people dont bash Halobut I see it all the time on SW. Even though the game was and still is amazing.

Heroldp813

Your topic title states "Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?" You would do well to address exactly why it did revolutionize the genre, thus giving the individuals who think it didn't, pause for thought.

Also, I never said that people don't "bash" Halo, I simply stated "...I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while."

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] there was NO other FPS experience on consoles that rivaled Halo and how well it was made. [...]foxhound_fox
Except Perfect Dark. Which had a longer campaign (objectives changed with difficulty, something that never caught on in FPS games), tons of different multiplayer modes and maps with a fully customizable experience, and something that makes every other non-online console shooter a joke: bots. A way of expanding the amount of "people" playing on a single console at once, adding greatly to the fun.

Time splitters.....don't forget time splitters.