Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Your topic title states "Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?" You would do well to address exactly why it did revolutionize the genre, thus giving the individuals who think it didn't, pause for thought.

Also, I never said that people don't "bash" Halo, I simply stated "...I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while."

AdobeArtist

You made a very valid point. In my haste to argue with Halo haters, I forgot to delve into why Halo is revolutionary. Also I figured someone else would state those facts.

The topic title should have read as; "Why do people act like Halo didn't significantly contribute to the FPS genre?"

Might want to consider editing your topic title to that, TC :)

Remember to put that if you make a Topic. Otherwise Im quite fine with my title. Also how do you feel about Halo?

halo PC still has thousands of players everyday. for a decade old game that's not bad at all.

the halo PC community will be alive and well when most FPS communities are dead. There are still leagues and tournies and community videos and everything.

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"]Here's food for thought. The American Declaration of Independence is widely considered to be a revolutionary document - and rightly so. It has been the inspiration and model for countless constitutions and bills of rights around the world, and in general, is one of the most cherished documents in the political development of the west. The catch is, there is next to nothing - pardon, *nothing* - original in it. The men who penned it didn't set up a think tank and say "We're going to come up with something new, something the world has never seen, and do things in a totally different way - and THAT will be the foundation for our country!" Nope, not even close. Rather, what they did was do some reading... John Locke, Jean-Jacque Rousseau, David Hume, Adam Smith, and a few others. They lifted certain ideas from those philosophers, slapped them together into a document which in itself said nothing that hadn't been publicly aired before, and they said "here is our Declaration of Independence." A conglomeration of copied, borrowed, stolen - whatever you want to call it - ideas, which is in itself a revolutionary document because it has actually inspired many other countries to model their important documents after it. After IT - not Locke or Hume or Rousseau's assertions through various treatises and discourses. Or is it? By the standards many of you are setting, John Locke is probably the true revolutionary here, not those who penned the Declaration. On that note, I'm out of this thread. I think a lot of you are - something I'm seeing more and more of these days - just a bunch of bitter PC fanatics who can't give a console game credit where credit is due. Maybe still miffed that Halo was supposed to be a massive open world shooter for the PC years before MS snagged it..Mograine

Enlighten me, why do you think Halo didn't have nearly as much success on PC as it had on Xbox?

I clearly see who the bitter one is right now.

halo PC still has thousands of players everyday. for a decade old game that's not bad at all.

lespaul1919

Hope you're not lying, because that would mean that i'm going to buy it right now, again.

Always loved its MP.

Well for one, it came out later and most people who wanted to play it bought an Xbox strictly for the game.-RocBoys9489-

And how is that relevant? Considering how good you make it out to be at least *someone* would have been interested in it.

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"]Here's food for thought. The American Declaration of Independence is widely considered to be a revolutionary document - and rightly so. It has been the inspiration and model for countless constitutions and bills of rights around the world, and in general, is one of the most cherished documents in the political development of the west. The catch is, there is next to nothing - pardon, *nothing* - original in it. The men who penned it didn't set up a think tank and say "We're going to come up with something new, something the world has never seen, and do things in a totally different way - and THAT will be the foundation for our country!" Nope, not even close. Rather, what they did was do some reading... John Locke, Jean-Jacque Rousseau, David Hume, Adam Smith, and a few others. They lifted certain ideas from those philosophers, slapped them together into a document which in itself said nothing that hadn't been publicly aired before, and they said "here is our Declaration of Independence." A conglomeration of copied, borrowed, stolen - whatever you want to call it - ideas, which is in itself a revolutionary document because it has actually inspired many other countries to model their important documents after it. After IT - not Locke or Hume or Rousseau's assertions through various treatises and discourses. Or is it? By the standards many of you are setting, John Locke is probably the true revolutionary here, not those who penned the Declaration. On that note, I'm out of this thread. I think a lot of you are - something I'm seeing more and more of these days - just a bunch of bitter PC fanatics who can't give a console game credit where credit is due. Maybe still miffed that Halo was supposed to be a massive open world shooter for the PC years before MS snagged it..Mograine

Enlighten me, why do you think Halo didn't have nearly as much success on PC as it had on Xbox?

I clearly see who the bitter one is right now.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]Well for one, it came out later and most people who wanted to play it bought an Xbox strictly for the game.Mograine

And how is that relevant? Considering how good you make it out to be at least *someone* would have been interested in it.

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] So you're saying that even though Halo borrows concepts from previous games, other games borrow concepts from Halo? Maybe you should think about what you wrote here, because it doesn't make a lick of sense.lespaul1919

So yeah, he's spot on - who cares if Halo borrows things from other games? It's Halo's package that made the gaming industry follow, not those who they borrowed from.

yeah. game/set/match. thread done.

take a bow.

When I created this thread I was looking for an answer like this. Honestly someone need to put this in their sig. I would but I have to much crap going already.

Probably a similar reason as to why games like Doom and Duke Nukem 3D did poorly on consoles. Even though they were solid ports and spectacular games (heck, DN3D is still my favourite FPS), they came out very late and their day in the sun was largely done. Or I suppose you're going to say "Well, they just weren't that good to begin with when compared to the games already on those platforms they were ported to," which I strong suspect is what you were going to insinuate was the case with Halo coming to the PC ;) Really, got to go. Been fun. And yeah, bitter here, very bitter.Boomshaffted

Something stinks here.

First you come into this thread talking about how Halo revolutionized the FPS genre by giving life to its console branch, then you come up with examples of games that came *before* Halo and try to blame other factors for its failure.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

halo PC still has thousands of players everyday. for a decade old game that's not bad at all.

Lucianu

Hope you're not lying, because that would mean that i'm going to buy it right now, again.

Always loved its MP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwA-3F6ehU

xfire = wyldeman7

lets play :]

It's an opinion, whether uninformed or not, or based purely on stupidity. This is the internet after all. Anyone that acknowledges and respects the gaming industry from a creativity standpoint would know that Halo made a very sizable contribution to the FPS market and genre, as a whole. As with Half Life, before it. The Duke Nukem's, the DOOM's, out there.

Elann2008

Where wereyou? Youre like 4 pages late. I was waiting for someone with a functioning cerebral cortex to respond and youve arrived.

Popularized and even redefined the console FPS? Sure. Practically standardized the console FPS control scheme? I'll give a nod to that as well. Revutionized the FPS genre? No. I was playing online multiplayer FPSes a good six years before gamers were even playing LAN-linked or split screen matches in Halo.Millions of PC gamers had been playing FPSes for nearly a decade before Halo was released. By the time Halo 2 rolled around in 2004, you had half a million Counter-Strike players registered in online league play alone (CAL)... There already was a FPS revolution. Halo and consoles were just really late to the party.

There is a difference between a game being popular, influential, and revolutionary. Halo fits the criteria of two of these.

[QUOTE="Boomshaffted"] Probably a similar reason as to why games like Doom and Duke Nukem 3D did poorly on consoles. Even though they were solid ports and spectacular games (heck, DN3D is still my favourite FPS), they came out very late and their day in the sun was largely done. Or I suppose you're going to say "Well, they just weren't that good to begin with when compared to the games already on those platforms they were ported to," which I strong suspect is what you were going to insinuate was the case with Halo coming to the PC ;) Really, got to go. Been fun. And yeah, bitter here, very bitter.Mograine

Something stinks here.

First you come into this thread talking about how Halo revolutionized the FPS genre by giving life to its console branch, then you come up with examples of games that came *before* Halo and try to blame other factors for its failure.

Halo is like the PS2 of games. It didn't do anything new, it just did everything dam well.

Popularized and even redefined the console FPS? Sure. Practically standardized the console FPS control scheme? I'll give a nod to that as well. Revutionized the FPS genre? No. I was playing online multiplayer FPSes a good six years before gamers were even playing LAN-linked or split screen matches in Halo.Millions of PC gamers had been playing FPSes for nearly a decade before Halo was released. By the time Halo 2 rolled around in 2004, you had half a million Counter-Strike players registered in online league play alone (CAL)... There already was a FPS revolution. Halo and consoles were just really late to the party.

There is a difference between a game being popular, influential, and revolutionary. Halo fits the criteria of two of these.

juno84

I remember meetinga guy in a bar......telling me how good he was at halo. He said he was a CS player....but would still destroy me in halo. So I played 2v1 at his apartment, on his xbox. him and his roommate against me. 50-4. He never talked to me again. Probably never played halo again. Probably sold his xbox lol.

You would think an elitest cs or fps player in general could at least put up a fight. nope, got donged on hard.

^^^halo didn't fail on PC! it is loved on PC and stillplayed by tonsEVERY DAY. geeze.

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

FragTycoon

oh, casuals play the same game everyday for a decade.....compete in tournaments for $, and spendalot oftheir free time getting better? hrm, you define casuallike I would define hardcore gamers.

a casual to me is someone who doesn't really play games......but at times will play rock band with friends etc.

In what way did Halo revolutionized anything?

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

FragTycoon

[QUOTE="juno84"]

Popularized and even redefined the console FPS? Sure. Practically standardized the console FPS control scheme? I'll give a nod to that as well. Revutionized the FPS genre? No. I was playing online multiplayer FPSes a good six years before gamers were even playing LAN-linked or split screen matches in Halo.Millions of PC gamers had been playing FPSes for nearly a decade before Halo was released. By the time Halo 2 rolled around in 2004, you had half a million Counter-Strike players registered in online league play alone (CAL)... There already was a FPS revolution. Halo and consoles were just really late to the party.

There is a difference between a game being popular, influential, and revolutionary. Halo fits the criteria of two of these.

lespaul1919

I remember meetinga guy in a bar......telling me how good he was at halo. He said he was a CS player....but would still destroy me in halo. So I played 2v1 at his apartment, on his xbox. him and his roommate against me. 50-4. He never talked to me again. Probably never played halo again. Probably sold his xbox lol.

You would think an elitest cs or fps player in general could at least put up a fight. nope, got donged on hard.

^^^halo didn't fail on PC! it is loved on PC and stillplayed by tonsEVERY DAY. geeze.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

Riverwolf007

Except the millions of people who have bought them.... please.. lets keep this a little above grade school level. ;)

[...] but on consoles, nothing touched Halo at all. [...]-RocBoys9489-

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

lespaul1919

oh, casuals play the same game everyday for a decade.....compete in tournaments for $, and spendalot oftheir free time getting better? hrm, you define casuallike I would define hardcore gamers.

a casual to me is someone who doesn't really play games......but at times will play rock band with friends etc.

.....and that is who often plays Halo. The game is designed to be more forgiving for noobs.. (are we really still arguing this point? really?)

Just a note, Unreal, Tribes, CS, Quake and many more had those things before Halo came along.

Just because people got into FPS when it came to xbox doesn't mean that is was "revolutionary", "ground breaking" or the "best"..... just that more people got to play it.

If all I experienced was xbox games I guess I would come to the TCs conclusion. *shrug*

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] [...] but on consoles, nothing touched Halo at all. [...]foxhound_fox

I'm sorry Fox, but didn't you yourself argue that the Metroid series isn't FPS, it's really a First Person Adventure game. Which btw I agreed with and have also argued for on my own occasions :)

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] [...] but on consoles, nothing touched Halo at all. [...]foxhound_fox

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] [...] but on consoles, nothing touched Halo at all. [...]forgot_it

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

[QUOTE="forgot_it"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Except Metroid Prime, which actually did something to freshen the FPS formula and not only got the same score on Gamespot and Metacritic as Halo, but the GS GOTY award for 2001 as well. If that doesn't point to something that could "touch" Halo, I don't know what else could.AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Only thing Halo brought to the table was casuals.

FragTycoon

oh, casuals play the same game everyday for a decade.....compete in tournaments for $, and spendalot oftheir free time getting better? hrm, you define casuallike I would define hardcore gamers.

a casual to me is someone who doesn't really play games......but at times will play rock band with friends etc.

.....and that is who often plays Halo. The game is designed to be more forgiving for noobs.. (are we really still arguing this point? really?)

Just a note, Unreal, Tribes, CS, Quake and many more had those things before Halo came along.

Just because people got into FPS when it came to xbox doesn't mean that is was "revolutionary", "ground breaking" or the "best"..... just that more people got to play it.

If all I experienced was xbox games I guess I would come to the TCs conclusion. *shrug*

Hi, TC here. What were you trying to say? Just throwing out there that I never played video games until I walked into my little brothers room and he was playing Halo. I ended up canceling all plans that day. What made it worse was the fact tha he also got KOTOR. Man those 2 games made me a true gamer. Before I occasionally played Mega man on the computer and went over to a friends house to play Goldeneye (I loved playing with oddjob- slight advantage anyone)

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="forgot_it"]Prime wasn't a FPS.Nintendo_Ownes7

Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

Heroldp813

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

Cali3350

Halo CE just like Goldeneye before it was a landmark title in the genre.But because they were console games,gamers ,and PC gamers in particular,sort of refuse to acknowledge their contribution.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

oh, casuals play the same game everyday for a decade.....compete in tournaments for $, and spendalot oftheir free time getting better? hrm, you define casuallike I would define hardcore gamers.

a casual to me is someone who doesn't really play games......but at times will play rock band with friends etc.

Heroldp813

.....and that is who often plays Halo. The game is designed to be more forgiving for noobs.. (are we really still arguing this point? really?)

Just a note, Unreal, Tribes, CS, Quake and many more had those things before Halo came along.

Just because people got into FPS when it came to xbox doesn't mean that is was "revolutionary", "ground breaking" or the "best"..... just that more people got to play it.

If all I experienced was xbox games I guess I would come to the TCs conclusion. *shrug*

Hi, TC here. What were you trying to say? Just throwing out there that I never played video games until I walked into my little brothers room and he was playing Halo. I ended up canceling all plans that day. What made it worse was the fact tha he also got KOTOR. Man those 2 games made me a true gamer. Before I occasionally played Mega man on the computer and went over to a friends house to play Goldeneye (I loved playing with oddjob- slight advantage anyone)

:|

Doesn't this kinda prove my point?

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

AdrianWerner

The only thing I think Halo brought was Dual Analogue Control and Regenerating health. Dual Analog would've happened sooner or later and I don't like that practically every FPS has Regenerating Health.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Halo did not bring Dual Analogue, previous games like Timesplitters had DA before Halo. Halo didn't revolutionized anything on FPS. 007 64 revolutionized FPS.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Halo did nothing outside of console FPS. The big 'revolutionaries' for the FPS are Wolfenstein 3D and Half-Life. Anything after is very minor compared to what these 2 games did.

juno84

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

The only thing I think Halo brought was Dual Analogue Control and Regenerating health. Dual Analog would've happened sooner or later and I don't like that practically every FPS has Regenerating Health.

p3anut

Halo did not bring Dual Analogue, previous games like Timesplitters had DA before Halo. Halo didn't revolutionized anything on FPS. 007 64 revolutionized FPS.

The only thing it brought was that FPS were at least a bit viable on Consoles due to it. Halo was really the FPS to work seamlessly on a console and actually be somewhat competitive. Despite having aim assist in it still as well. But, other then that, it didn't really bring anything new to the table. Now, I still enjoyed Halo CE on PC. :)

Halo CE just like Goldeneye before it was a landmark title in the genre.But because they were console games,gamers ,and PC gamers in particular,sort of refuse to acknowledge their contribution.

stvee101

It's more like console only gamers refuse to acknowledge PC titles.... it's like asking Thomas Edison to acknowledge your local janitor for changing a light bulb. :lol:

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

.....and that is who often plays Halo. The game is designed to be more forgiving for noobs.. (are we really still arguing this point? really?)

Just a note, Unreal, Tribes, CS, Quake and many more had those things before Halo came along.

Just because people got into FPS when it came to xbox doesn't mean that is was "revolutionary", "ground breaking" or the "best"..... just that more people got to play it.

If all I experienced was xbox games I guess I would come to the TCs conclusion. *shrug*

FragTycoon

Hi, TC here. What were you trying to say? Just throwing out there that I never played video games until I walked into my little brothers room and he was playing Halo. I ended up canceling all plans that day. What made it worse was the fact tha he also got KOTOR. Man those 2 games made me a true gamer. Before I occasionally played Mega man on the computer and went over to a friends house to play Goldeneye (I loved playing with oddjob- slight advantage anyone)

:|

Doesn't this kinda prove my point?

The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

Same for me.

I think some people tend to forget that by the time Halo released on Xbox, FPS games had been invented and had come a very long way on PC. Halo didn't do anything new, it just was a very good console fps with online MP.

You can't even say it popularized FPS on consoles, since Goldeneye had already done that years before.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

Hi, TC here. What were you trying to say? Just throwing out there that I never played video games until I walked into my little brothers room and he was playing Halo. I ended up canceling all plans that day. What made it worse was the fact tha he also got KOTOR. Man those 2 games made me a true gamer. Before I occasionally played Mega man on the computer and went over to a friends house to play Goldeneye (I loved playing with oddjob- slight advantage anyone)

Kan0nF0dder

:|

Doesn't this kinda prove my point?

I didnt say there was,

But just as you pointed out, people often mistake personal experience/feelings with what has actually happened. Halo was not widely accepted because it was the best FPS out or did anything new... what it did was make itself more accessible by way of medium (console/controller) and forgiving by way of gamplay (recharge/auto aim)for the average Joe (aka casual).

For someone like me, it was fun mostly because there was a new batch of noobs to shoot, not because the game had more to offer then say DoD.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Halo CE just like Goldeneye before it was a landmark title in the genre.But because they were console games,gamers ,and PC gamers in particular,sort of refuse to acknowledge their contribution.

FragTycoon

It's more like console only gamers refuse to acknowledge PC titles.... it's like asking Thomas Edison to acknowledge your local janitor for changing a light bulb. :lol:

No its nothing like that.

Seeing as the two games I mentioned were great games in their own right,and held up well with many PC fps games back in the day,It would be more like Mr Edison ackowleding the work of John Logie baird or Karl benz :)

the only thing it brought to the table was that it was a decent fps for console..that is it