Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

walkingdream

Well it didn't....

Popularity=/=Revolutionary

Also I don't care about consoles. They do nothing but dumb down games.

Everything, it took everything out of great PC shooters it brought it to consoles...it was a great game. It just didn't score 9.0 on the PC a year and a half later for no reason. walkingdream

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Well it didn't....

Jebus213

Popularity=/=Revolutionary

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="lucky_star"] Well ive played better FPS games on consoles before halo, that actually did something fore the genre on consoles. It seems like the gamers who praise halo as being best games ever revonlutionz!11 started gaming with xbox 1 and halo. Play some older pc shooters and shooters for older consoles.

lucky_star

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="walkingdream"] Like what? I seriously doubt it. Seriously do you want to even question Halo:CEs Scores? PC shooters i am not arguing about. (Big PC gamer). I'm talking what Halo has done for the Console FPS genre and Industry. Sure its your opinion and all but critics don't lie....walkingdream

Halo didn't really do anything except popularize online on consoles. But just because it didn't revolutionize the fps genre doesn't mean that it's a bad game. It's my favorite fps series. Who cares about what was innovative and what wasn't. As long as you like the game, it doesn't matter. This thread is pointless, but I guess that shouldn't surprise me since this is system wars after all.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Goldeneye 64 Perfect Dark Tunnel B1 MoH Series Time Splitters 1 Problem with critics are that its just ones opinion too, affected by swag.campzor

Are you joking? Nothing on PS2 came close. Why do you think people bought Xboxs just for this one Game?

"Not only is this easily the best of the Xbox launch games, but it's easily one of the best shooters ever, on any platform." From the Gamespot Review

It did change the way we thought about FPSs on Consoles. It pretty much bought everything from other shooters mashed them together and made it work amazingly well. Nothing to do this day comes close to Lan partying 16 player Blood Gluch :)

Because it did nothing? Everything Halo is praised for was invented 5-6 years prior to its initial launch in 2001.

Because it did nothing? Everything Halo is praised for was invented 5-6 years prior to its initial launch in 2001.

Mozelleple112

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play. Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play.Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

walkingdream

Really? When I played Halo, using anything apart from the Pistol, Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher is just asking to be killed while grabbing all the Scorpions is virtually game over for the other team.

They have different opinions maybe?

DroidPhysX

Theres a difference between a rite and wrong opinion or a valid/pointless opinion.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play.Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

Vesica_Prime

Really? When I played Halo, using anything apart from the Pistol, Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher is just asking to be killed while grabbing all the Scorpions is virtually game over for the other team.

I must have missed something in this 14 page throwdown but what exactly has Halo brought that would be classified as "revolutionary" in the world of video gaming?jedikevin2

People need to realise that innovative=/= revolutionary. I wouldn't call Halo "innovative" but definitely revolutionary.

For a start, it showed that vehicular combat could be seamlessly integrated with infantry combat. In previous FPSs, going into a vehicle required a separate section, and at the end of said section, one would get out(taking 30 minutes to get out). One could choose, in the campaign, to try to bring the vehicle as far in as possible, or leave it to proceed on foot. Air combat was also done well, as one could get in and out of the Banshee with no problem, whenever you wanted to. It got rid of linearity, and made people think before rushing in a certain group of enemies.

Co-op was also done very well in Halo, and has always been a high point in the series, and I know that Perfect Dark had co-op, but it was so laggy and littered with frame-rate issues that developers gave up on it until Halo showed it could be done well. Even today, no other FPS comes close to Halo's co-op(except Gears of War, but that's a TPS).

It also got rid of the Primary weapon>Secondary weapon mentality. In all Halo games, each weapon has its ups and downs and is 90% balanced(and if there is a balance issue, Bungie patches it). Each weapon has a specific situation where its at its best, and when its at its worst.

It also brought the health-pack/regen health(though Halo doesn't have regenerating health AT ALL) combo which hadn't nee used by anyone else before that. Not to mention very few FPSs had regen health before, and they weren't nearly as popular as Halo.

Also, the 2 weapon limit was a revolution that it brought. While not the first to do it, Halo showed how good it really was. Now, 90% of FPSs have a 2 weapon limit, which is great, as the weapon wheel is outdated, unbalanced and adds no strategy value to the game.

And, last but not least, console online. Halo 2 truly set a standard with console FPSs on how to do online. it also influence some PC developers, though to a minor degree.

So there, that's a few revolutions that Halo brought. Innovations, no, not really. Revolutions? oh yes. FPSs would be very different from what we have today were it not for Halo.

It was the first game to bring a really PC like gaming experience to consoles. It was THE game that said "ok, this is how a FPS on a console works". If you disagree then you were alive and played Goldeneye when it was released!

Daytona_178

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Because it did nothing? Everything Halo is praised for was invented 5-6 years prior to its initial launch in 2001.

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play. Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

[QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Halo changed the FPS industry not the FPS genre.

khoofia_pika

Halo CE didn't do that directly itself. There's nothing that majorly progressive or game changing in Halo (compared to the changes made by Wolfenstein, DOOM, Half-Life, Golden-Eye etc...) that changed the genre's mechanics. It simply began to change the way people viewed FPS and their target audience, which in turn pushed developers of future FPS games to make changes to the genre.

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Halo changed the FPS industry not the FPS genre.

longtonguecat

Halo CE didn't do that directly itself. There's nothing that majorly progressive or game changing in Halo (compared to the changes made by Wolfenstein, DOOM, Half-Life, Golden-Eye etc...) that changed the genre's mechanics. It simply began to change the way people viewed FPS and their target audience, which in turn pushed developers of future FPS games to make changes to the genre.

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"][QUOTE="longtonguecat"]

Halo changed the FPS industry not the FPS genre.

longtonguecat

Halo CE didn't do that directly itself. There's nothing that majorly progressive or game changing in Halo (compared to the changes made by Wolfenstein, DOOM, Half-Life, Golden-Eye etc...) that changed the genre's mechanics. It simply began to change the way people viewed FPS and their target audience, which in turn pushed developers of future FPS games to make changes to the genre.

Halo didn't bring anything new to the table. Come on, FPS where aliens attacking and you must now save a planet.homeboylizard

For a start, it showed that vehicular combat could be seamlessly integrated with infantry combat. In previous FPSs, going into a vehicle required a separate section, and at the end of said section

gamedude234

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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Follow the snapping fingers back up to the topic header *snap* *snap* *snap*

You can enjoy anything you like, no one is saying you cant. But to say it revolutionized FPS is just inexperience talking.

oh.. 86%... was that the same score as consoles? was that the best scoring FPS on PCs? did it "revolutionize" PC FPS?.... well... we all kinda know it didn't... it just kinda got tossed aside for PC gamers didn't it? Despite people score-mongering.... despite "OMG teh best online FPS ever" from console players. Yeah, sadly for Halo fanboys...... most PC players kinda just went back to better games.

Once again, come at me with something more then critic scores because there are allot of FPS that scored better then Halo on PC. Plus *shhh don't tell no one* critic scores are peoples opinion.

score-monger food for thought (Meta PC scores)

Half life 96

Quake 94

UT 92

Tribes 2 88

CS 88

Rainbow 6 85

Halo: CE83

Heroldp813

While you're busy pondering how I could get more experienced in first person shooters, I'll deal with your positions. I'd say that the statement "Halo revolutionized FPS" is just plain rationality talking. Let's take a look at some of the definitions of "revolution" at our good old friend www.dictionary.com.

1) an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2) Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.
3) a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.

Those are the three definitions. The first two are obviously directed at government/society, so they're out the window. The third and final one must be the one we're dealing with when we talk about games, since it's the one than is applied outside of change in government. So based on that third definition, when we ask "Was Halo a revolutionary game?" what we're really asking is "Did Halo effect a sudden complete or marked change in the way first person shooters were made?"

Let's think about this in the context of FPS games before and after Halo. Prior to Halo coming around, most FPS's - even console FPS's - were fast. Lightning fast - characters moved 2 to 3x as fast as they do in Halo. Prior to Halo coming around, 2 guns only was an anomaly. Yes, Tribes did it first, but after Tribes, other FPS's quite happily went on with 8 to 10 guns as they had always done before - until Halo. Prior to Halo, a vast, vast majority of FPS's used the health-pack model of health gain.

Now, remember, think revolution and ask yourself, what happened to a *huge* number of FPS games after Halo came out and became popular? They had a small gun limit - to this day, that's still popular. They had regenerating health rather than health packs - to this day, that's still popular. They move slow - to this day, that's still popular. We see things which were made prominent in Halo appearing in many first and third person shooters to this day. These changes to general FPS design came up very quickly after Halo came out and was a smash hit.

So, going back to that third definition of "revolution": 3) a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture. Are you honestly going to persist in the (I'll say it) inane claim that Halo didn't cause a revolution - IE, a large scale, marked change - in how a huge portion of FPS games are developed? It's not my inexperience that tells me that the genre I know and love changed drastically in the years that followed Halo. It's experience paired with simple reasoning. Halo was the game everyone was trying to make another one of for years, the FPS genre is still feeling it's after effects.

As for "score mongering"... Are you trying to support my point? You've listed a series of the PC's best first person shooters (Tribes 2 is a legendary one) and the two-year late port of Halo is just a few percentile points shy of their scores. That's a score that held up pretty damned well if two years a port of it got just two points behind the score that a game like Tribes 2 got at its release.

You sir are proof that everyone here in SW isnt ignorant. I salute you!!;)

All that poop you just talked and all I need to say is Day of Defeat.

"Did Halo effect a sudden complete or marked change in the way first person shooters were made?"

No, because Halo didn't start any of those things. So your long winded argument is mostly fluff and based on... sadly... inexperience.

I don't care about scores to begin with but your attempt to create an alternate world where lower scores are better than higher scores just doesn't exist no matter how much text you put down... sorry.

Perhaps in la-la land.. Tribes copied Halo..... :lol:

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Because it did nothing? Everything Halo is praised for was invented 5-6 years prior to its initial launch in 2001.

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play. Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

Was Halo CE the first shooter with Sticky Grenades? I can't think of one before it that I've played that has those.Inconsistancy

Shadow Warrior definitely had those back in 1997. There were probably earlier games too, but that's the first that comes to mind.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Because it did nothing? Everything Halo is praised for was invented 5-6 years prior to its initial launch in 2001.

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play. Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]

Nor remember no Console Shooter before it had something so refined and comparable to PCs best at the time. It Brought everything that was great about other Shooters and put into play.Great Vehicle Combat, Well balanced Shooting and Controls, Awesome Health system. Great Single player, Music and interesting Story for it's time (I hate Halo 2 SP and the others btw). MP was also a blast.

walkingdream

Really? When I played Halo, using anything apart from the Pistol, Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher is just asking to be killed while grabbing all the Scorpions is virtually game over for the other team.

What if someone steals the Scorpions? I've done that multiple times with friends against the other team and we may as well just played a point and click adventure game when we had all the Scorpions. And having the Pistol being overpowered as hell ruins the weapon balance as it renders the Plasma weapons, Assault Rifle and Shotgun redundant.

And your favourite weapon doesn't mean anything in terms of weapon balance, my favourite weapon in UT was the Biorifle. Didn't stop it from being a piece of ****.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Really? When I played Halo, using anything apart from the Pistol, Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher is just asking to be killed while grabbing all the Scorpions is virtually game over for the other team.

Vesica_Prime

What if someone hijacks the Scorpions? I've done that multiple times with friends against the other team and we may as well just played a point and click adventure game when we had all the Scorpions. And having the Pistol being overpowered as hell ruins the weapon balance as it renders the Plasma weapons, Assault Rifle and Shotgun redundant.

And your favourite weapon doesn't mean anything in terms of weapon balance, my favourite weapon in UT was the Biorifle. Didn't stop it from being a piece of ****.

you can't hijack in Halo CE:lol:

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"] Both Teams have Scorpions and every player starts with the Pistol. So how is that not balanced? All the weapons are useful including the Plasma Rifle/Pistol (and has a side effect of slower the players down). In fact my favourite weapon to use was the Assault Rifle because it wasn't back then a useless piece of ****.

gamedude234

What if someone hijacks the Scorpions? I've done that multiple times with friends against the other team and we may as well just played a point and click adventure game when we had all the Scorpions. And having the Pistol being overpowered as hell ruins the weapon balance as it renders the Plasma weapons, Assault Rifle and Shotgun redundant.

And your favourite weapon doesn't mean anything in terms of weapon balance, my favourite weapon in UT was the Biorifle. Didn't stop it from being a piece of ****.

you can't hijack in Halo CE:lol:

By hijack I meant go into the enemy base and steal their Scorpions. Wrong wording, valid argument.

Now since you're so willing to jump onto the argument, please present to me why your team running around with all the Scorpions is balanced.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

What if someone hijacks the Scorpions? I've done that multiple times with friends against the other team and we may as well just played a point and click adventure game when we had all the Scorpions. And having the Pistol being overpowered as hell ruins the weapon balance as it renders the Plasma weapons, Assault Rifle and Shotgun redundant.

And your favourite weapon doesn't mean anything in terms of weapon balance, my favourite weapon in UT was the Biorifle. Didn't stop it from being a piece of ****.

Vesica_Prime

you can't hijack in Halo CE:lol:

By hijack I meant go into the enemy base and steal their Scorpions. Wrong wording, valid argument.

Now since you're so willing to jump onto the argument, please present to me why your team running around with all the Scorpions is balanced.

if the enemy team is so bad that you can just run to their base and steal their scorpion.......its their fault, not the game's fault.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

you can't hijack in Halo CE:lol:

gamedude234

By hijack I meant go into the enemy base and steal their Scorpions. Wrong wording, valid argument.

Now since you're so willing to jump onto the argument, please present to me why your team running around with all the Scorpions is balanced.

if the enemy team is so bad that you can just run to their base and steal their scorpion.......its their fault, not the game's fault.

In Battlefield 1942, people stole tanks easily however people had the ability to combat tanks as infantry. Which made tanks balanced as they can be countered by infantry straight off yet they are still tough.

With Halo: Combat Evolved, Scorpions do not take damage and have no counter apart from the Rocket Launcher and the Fuel Rod Gun if you're on PC. Thus they're overpowered as there are no counters for them that are readily avaliable for immediate infantry use.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

By hijack I meant go into the enemy base and steal their Scorpions. Wrong wording, valid argument.

Now since you're so willing to jump onto the argument, please present to me why your team running around with all the Scorpions is balanced.

Vesica_Prime

if the enemy team is so bad that you can just run to their base and steal their scorpion.......its their fault, not the game's fault.

In Battlefield 1942, people stole tanks easily however people had the ability to combat tanks as infantry. Which made tanks balanced as they can be countered by infantry straight off yet they are still tough.

With Halo: Combat Evolved, Scorpions do not take damage and have no counter apart from the Rocket Launcher and the Fuel Rod Gun if you're on PC. Thus they're overpowered as there are no counters for them that are readily avaliable for immediate infantry use.

actually you can kill the person in the scorpion with 3 pistol shots

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

if the enemy team is so bad that you can just run to their base and steal their scorpion.......its their fault, not the game's fault.

gamedude234

In Battlefield 1942, people stole tanks easily however people had the ability to combat tanks as infantry. Which made tanks balanced as they can be countered by infantry straight off yet they are still tough.

With Halo: Combat Evolved, Scorpions do not take damage and have no counter apart from the Rocket Launcher and the Fuel Rod Gun if you're on PC. Thus they're overpowered as there are no counters for them that are readily avaliable for immediate infantry use.

actually you can kill the person in the scorpion with 3 pistol shots

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

In Battlefield 1942, people stole tanks easily however people had the ability to combat tanks as infantry. Which made tanks balanced as they can be countered by infantry straight off yet they are still tough.

With Halo: Combat Evolved, Scorpions do not take damage and have no counter apart from the Rocket Launcher and the Fuel Rod Gun if you're on PC. Thus they're overpowered as there are no counters for them that are readily avaliable for immediate infantry use.

Vesica_Prime

actually you can kill the person in the scorpion with 3 pistol shots

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

ok

A: the scorpion is incredibly inaccurate at "sniping distance" in CE. its accurate in reach, but certainly not in CE.

B: If they're doing that, then snipe them back with a sniper, or (god forbid) work AS A TEAM and make people get 2-3 power weapons. The scorpion can't beat all of them.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

actually you can kill the person in the scorpion with 3 pistol shots

gamedude234

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

ok

A: the scorpion is incredibly inaccurate at "sniping distance" in CE. its accurate in reach, but certainly not in CE.

B: If they're doing that, then snipe them back with a sniper, or (god forbid) work AS A TEAM and make people get 2-3 power weapons. The scorpion can't beat all of them.

A: Really? I was able to wipe out a group of four with a Scorpion tank from half the map away in one shot.

B: Yeah, it's hard getting the Sniper while getting spawn camped. As for the WORK AS A TEAM statement you do know that when people steal Scorpions they steal more than one and that they usually bring their own along? Plus they also work as a team as well.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

Vesica_Prime

ok

A: the scorpion is incredibly inaccurate at "sniping distance" in CE. its accurate in reach, but certainly not in CE.

B: If they're doing that, then snipe them back with a sniper, or (god forbid) work AS A TEAM and make people get 2-3 power weapons. The scorpion can't beat all of them.

A: Really? I was able to wipe out a group of four with a Scorpion tank from half the map away in one shot.

B: Yeah, it's hard getting the Sniper while getting spawn camped. As for the WORK AS A TEAM statement you do know that when people steal Scorpions they steal more than one and that they usually bring their own along? Plus they also work as a team as well.

A: yes, its very inaccurate compared to later halo games. guess you're just that good:roll:

B: spawn camped? on blood gulch? and again, if your team allows you scorpion to get stolen, then you deserve to get massacred by making such a stupid mistake. Its called weapon and map control. As long as your team has the power weapons, then scorpions should not be a threat.

A: yes, its very inaccurate compared to later halo games. guess you're just that good:roll:

B: spawn camped? on blood gulch? and again, if your team allows you scorpion to get stolen, then you deserve to get massacred by making such a stupid mistake. Its called weapon and map control. As long as your team has the power weapons, then scorpions should not be a threat.

gamedude234

Firstly, I never stated I was "that good" you're just beating a strawman. ":roll:"

Secondly, so it's overpowered because you cannot prove that there is no immediate counter for it unlike the Battlefield games where you can spawn with an anti-vehicle weapon? Anyway, see that's why it is unbalanced. In Battlefield, you do not get "massacred" by losing your tanks as you're given a fighting chance but with Halo: Combat Evolved you have no fighting chance once the enemy gets the tanks.

Thus it is unbalanced.

Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

Heroldp813

lol. tanks are easy to take down. 3 pistol shots or 1 sniper shot. no big deal. at least it's possible to take out a tank in halo without explosives, unlike BF where you have to hit it with multiple rockets. :/

sniping people out of warthogs is more fun though, they move faster.

lol. tanks are easy to take down. 3 pistol shots or 1 sniper shot. no big deal. at least it's possible to take out a tank in halo without explosives, unlike BF where you have to hit it with multiple rockets. :/

sniping people out of warthogs is more fun though, they move faster.

lespaul1919

Yeah, it's really easy to do that when people are spawn-camping you with insta-kill, long ranged, high explosive radius death machines at a long range.

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

A: yes, its very inaccurate compared to later halo games. guess you're just that good:roll:

B: spawn camped? on blood gulch? and again, if your team allows you scorpion to get stolen, then you deserve to get massacred by making such a stupid mistake. Its called weapon and map control. As long as your team has the power weapons, then scorpions should not be a threat.

Vesica_Prime

Firstly, I never stated I was "that good" you're just beating a strawman. ":roll:"

Secondly, so it's overpowered because you cannot prove that there is no immediate counter for it unlike the Battlefield games where you can spawn with an anti-vehicle weapon? Anyway, see that's why it is unbalanced. In Battlefield, you do not get "massacred" by losing your tanks as you're given a fighting chance but with Halo: Combat Evolved you have no fighting chance once the enemy gets the tanks.

Thus it is unbalanced.

you can take down a tank with 3 pistol shots, or with 1 sniper shot or by taking down his shields with the plasma pistol followed by an assault rifle burst. its not that hard.

you can take down a tank with 3 pistol shots, or with 1 sniper shot or by taking down his shields with the plasma pistol followed by an assault rifle burst. its not that hard.

gamedude234

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

Vesica_Prime

You're just running around in circles now.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

lol. tanks are easy to take down. 3 pistol shots or 1 sniper shot. no big deal. at least it's possible to take out a tank in halo without explosives, unlike BF where you have to hit it with multiple rockets. :/

sniping people out of warthogs is more fun though, they move faster.

Vesica_Prime

Yeah, it's really easy to do that when people are spawn-camping you with insta-kill, long ranged, high explosive radius death machines.

you must not be very good, because no tank has a chance against a halfway decent player. spawn camping or not.

plus, all legit matches are warthog only anyway.