Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?

[QUOTE="gamedude234"]

you can take down a tank with 3 pistol shots, or with 1 sniper shot or by taking down his shields with the plasma pistol followed by an assault rifle burst. its not that hard.

Vesica_Prime

You know people who get Scorpions hang back and just snipe you down with a insta-kill rocket/explosive/whatever that has a large kill radius?

Vesica_Prime

You're just running around in circles now.

no, you just fail to realize how easy it is to kill a scorpion. you know the pistol fires almost halfway across bg right?

all you need in halo is the pistol. it's the fist of god.

you must not be very good, because no tank has a chance against a halfway decent player. spawn camping or not.

plus, all legit matches are warthog only anyway.

lespaul1919

Yeah, it gets removed from legit matches/competitive play because it is over-powered. Thank you for proving my point.

no, you just fail to realize how easy it is to kill a scorpion. you know the pistol fires almost halfway across bg right?

lespaul1919

You know that in the time it takes to shoot a pistol round, it takes even less time to fire a insta-kill tank rocket? And that pistols have a spread while the tank has a high explosive radius to compensate for the spread?

I'm not sure if it revolutionized FPS (arguably for consoles I think it did). I think more than anything, the series ties a lot of FPS tenets together in a very polished, solid experience. Just my opinion, of course.

Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

Heroldp813

Halo was a good* console exclusive FPS. A week before Halo came out, there were millions of gamers who had played and were currently playing FPSes. Here is a poor analogy! Imagine if in the United States, we started playing a variation of soccer (football) with smaller fields and much larger goals. This new variation of soccer became really popular in U.S. The rest of the world carried on playing soccer as they had been for years while the U.S. boldly claimed they had revolutionized the game. If you want to say Halo revolutionzed the markets FPS games are sold to or perhaps even console FPS in general, I'd agree. However, the OP title says "FPS genre". I can't agree with that.

*for reference: I consider half-life a "good" game as well

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

you must not be very good, because no tank has a chance against a halfway decent player. spawn camping or not.

plus, all legit matches are warthog only anyway.

Vesica_Prime

Yeah, it gets removed from legit matches/competitive play because it is over-powered. Thank you for proving my point.

no, you just fail to realize how easy it is to kill a scorpion. you know the pistol fires almost halfway across bg right?

lespaul1919

You know that in the time it takes to shoot a pistol round, it takes even less time to fire a insta-kill tank rocket? And that pistols have a spread while the tank has a high explosive radius to compensate for the spread?

wait...did you just say that the pistol has enough spread to not hit a tank?...

:lol: either you've barely played the game or you're bad at it. take your pick.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?punchacku

Well, it only revolutionized the controls and the aiming for the fps genre on consoles at least. Cod uses bunch of techniques of aiming from halo.

Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?foxhound_fox

I think people confuse starting a revolution with being original which are two separate entities entirely.

It popularized online gaming on consoles. Thats about it.

It popularized online gaming on consoles. Thats about it.

rzepak

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

you must not be very good, because no tank has a chance against a halfway decent player. spawn camping or not.

plus, all legit matches are warthog only anyway.

Vesica_Prime

Yeah, it gets removed from legit matches/competitive play because it is over-powered. Thank you for proving my point.

no, you just fail to realize how easy it is to kill a scorpion. you know the pistol fires almost halfway across bg right?

lespaul1919

You know that in the time it takes to shoot a pistol round, it takes even less time to fire a insta-kill tank rocket? And that pistols have a spread while the tank has a high explosive radius to compensate for the spread?

I stopped listening to you after this post^

halo incurs a lot of jealousy. they bash what they can't have, that's why.

Because it changed gaming by making certain features mainstream? I mean thats what a revolution is. Drastically changing something. Which Halo has caused in certain things like matchmaking, saved films, forge. To say these features are unique or original would be wrong but I think its safe to say if Halo didn't use these features I'm sure they wouldn't be as commonly used as they are today. So yeah it caused a revolution but you don't need to be orginal to do that.

I think people confuse starting a revolution with being original which are two separate entities entirely.

6matt6

Forge?

You've got to be kidding...right?

it is funny how people act like it was just a regular game

halo is one of those games that could of won GOTY 2 yrs in a row lol it was that awesome and farahead of all other console shooters at that time

[QUOTE="6matt6"] Because it changed gaming by making certain features mainstream? I mean thats what a revolution is. Drastically changing something. Which Halo has caused in certain things like matchmaking, saved films, forge. To say these features are unique or original would be wrong but I think its safe to say if Halo didn't use these features I'm sure they wouldn't be as commonly used as they are today. So yeah it caused a revolution but you don't need to be orginal to do that.

I think people confuse starting a revolution with being original which are two separate entities entirely.

Mograine

Forge?

You've got to be kidding...right?

I honestlyfeel like Im in the twilight zone. How can you guys forget how exciting Halo was when it came out? I remember movies suffering in ticket sales (Along came polly) because of a Xbox exclusive game. Also please dont bring up COD because its a multi-platform game which equals - A whole lot more sales.

As a Pc gamer I find this topic funny. What did halo bring new to the table that was not already done and better on pc is my question :roll:

The problem usually is not what Halo actually did or didn't. The real problem is that people like to post things proclaiming stuff but they always do it with little or no elaboration, effectively creating a flaming medium. Also other secondary factors that usually appear and that only work to make things worse, like the sudden appearance of the "definition police" that usually against logic only help to spread nonsense. For example in this case I have already seen posts from members of this honorable force telling other users that revolutionary=innovation in every possible way and if you say otherwise they beat you with their e-batons.

So while Halo did revolutionize the FPS genre, they inspired various other games to use certain mechanics just the way they did, basically creating standards, problems like the ones I mentioned above make the facts and the almost out of nowhere nonsense a confusing mix were who knows what is this and what is that and meanwhile everyone is fighting. :(

The only thing i really see it did was popularize multiplayer console shooters.kidcool189

As a Pc gamer I find this topic funny. What did halo bring new to the table that was not already done and better on pc is my question :roll:

Rude_Bwoii

I think it's been pretty much covered that what Halo did was for the FPS genre on consoles. And I'll reiterate, that it may not have revolutionized, but it did contribute significantly by refining the genre by seamlessly blending features from what cam before it, and from that creating a cohesive package unlike any other in the console field.

I honestlyfeel like Im in the twilight zone. How can you guys forget how exciting Halo was when it came out? I remember movies suffering in ticket sales (Along came polly) because of a Xbox exclusive game. Also please dont bring up COD because its a multi-platform game which equals - A whole lot more sales.

Heroldp813

Why did you quote me?

As a Pc gamer I find this topic funny. What did halo bring new to the table that was not already done and better on pc is my question :roll:

Rude_Bwoii

Well for consoles Halo as made many contributions that many seem to forget. As for PCs I cant comment because I dont play PC games, aside from old school Mega man games and playing as a necromancer in Diablo ( I like just walking around and having 30 dead resurrected minions fighting for me.)

I think it's been pretty much covered that what Halo did was for the FPS genre on consoles. And I'll reiterate, that it may not have revolutionized, but it did contribute significantly by refining the genre by seamlessly blending features from what cam before it, and from that creating a cohesive package unlike any other in the console field.

AdobeArtist

And that is something everyone with a grain of salt in his head agrees with.

If only you could explain that to the horde of people who does not know the history of FPSs and think Halo started it all and think everyone else is jealous of it then there would be much more love in this thread.

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I honestlyfeel like Im in the twilight zone. How can you guys forget how exciting Halo was when it came out? I remember movies suffering in ticket sales (Along came polly) because of a Xbox exclusive game. Also please dont bring up COD because its a multi-platform game which equals - A whole lot more sales.

Mograine

Why did you quote me?

Im sorry. At work at the office and this site shows up as the cached version so sometimes I click on things I dont mean too. Yes I know, working on memorial day. I at least get payed extra for it.

[QUOTE="6matt6"] Because it changed gaming by making certain features mainstream? I mean thats what a revolution is. Drastically changing something. Which Halo has caused in certain things like matchmaking, saved films, forge. To say these features are unique or original would be wrong but I think its safe to say if Halo didn't use these features I'm sure they wouldn't be as commonly used as they are today. So yeah it caused a revolution but you don't need to be orginal to do that.

I think people confuse starting a revolution with being original which are two separate entities entirely.

Mograine

Forge?

You've got to be kidding...right?

Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?foxhound_fox

This exactly. qft.

[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

As a Pc gamer I find this topic funny. What did halo bring new to the table that was not already done and better on pc is my question :roll:

AdobeArtist

I think it's been pretty much covered that what Halo did was for the FPS genre on consoles. And I'll reiterate, that it may not have revolutionized, but it did contribute significantly by refining the genre by seamlessly blending features from what cam before it, and from that creating a cohesive package unlike any other in the console field.

On console yes but it was originaly a pc game that came to console. When the Tc says halo revolutionalized the FPS genre that is completely false. On pc halo is average.

Because the only people that think so are people like you with terrible grammar. Rather, it's just utter ignorance from people who have little to no gaming knowledge, yet want to speak with authority.

[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

As a Pc gamer I find this topic funny. What did halo bring new to the table that was not already done and better on pc is my question :roll:

Heroldp813

Well for consoles Halo as made many contributions that many seem to forget. As for PCs I cant comment because I dont play PC games, aside from old school Mega man games and playing as a necromancer in Diablo ( I like just walking around and having 30 dead resurrected minions fighting for me.)

Nah on PC they continued with the same old branch the PC ones were always on. Only some games like Farcry with mechanics like choose only two weapons, levels big enough to have vehicles and for them to be a proper way to play some decent sized sections of the game. Everything else was the same root as always just the obligatory own spice in something here and there.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?BlbecekBobecek

This exactly. qft.

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

Learn 2 engrish

Here we have the definition of revolution. Now not once does it say that a revolution has to be a unique or new idea. No it says simply that causing a change in modern trends or modern thinking is a revolution. There is no mention of orginality.

So please when you claim Halo isn't revolutionary please don't claim it did nothing new. To do that is to completely ignore what the word revolution even means and by doing so you make yourself look foolish.

Its a basic word people. Its not hard to understand.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?Heroldp813

This exactly. qft.

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?Heroldp813

This exactly. qft.

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

What facts ?

Bungie was a pc company that was brought by MS. They took a pc games scaled back the features and graphics then put it on console. Then console gamers got a taste of what pc gamers had for almost a decade. There was nothing new in halo at all but on console it was a big deal. If that same game came out on pc it would not have been any where near as big. Bungie did the right thing at the right time in a new market and got rich. I dare say it could have happened with almost any pc fps company.

That does not change the fact that halo was nothing special. Yes it brought many pc pc fps features to console and set the standard on CONSOLE. So if yor going to make a topic please include the word CONSOLE in the topic TC.

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

This exactly. qft.

Rude_Bwoii

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

What facts ?

Bungie was a pc company that was brought by MS. They took a pc games scaled back the features and graphics then put it on console. Then console gamers got a taste of what pc gamers had for almost a decade. There was nothing new in halo at all but on console it was a big deal. If that same game came out on pc it would not have been any where near as big. Bungie did the right thing at the right time in a new market and got rich. I dare say it could have happened with almost any pc fps company.

That does not change the fact that halo was nothing special. Yes it brought many pc pc fps features to console and set the standard on CONSOLE. So if yor going to make a topic please include the word CONSOLE in the topic TC.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Because it didn't? It just took everything developed by previous games and popularized those elements in the console mainstream with a polished and well-made game series. Why do people always act like Halo did anything revolutionary?Heroldp813

This exactly. qft.

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

What facts? All the ones I have randomly read are just basically: I hate/don't like the game it's not revolutionary. I'm a fanboy/I like the game it's revolutionary. I'm neutral I will give my opinion and look cool because I'm self-proclaimed open minded, thus not biased, and that is cool. Is there really something good hidden in some page?

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

This exactly. qft.

Rude_Bwoii

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

What facts ?

Bungie was a pc company that was brought by MS. They took a pc games scaled back the features and graphics then put it on console. Then console gamers got a taste of what pc gamers had for almost a decade. There was nothing new in halo at all but on console it was a big deal. If that same game came out on pc it would not have been any where near as big. Bungie did the right thing at the right time in a new market and got rich. I dare say it could have happened with almost any pc fps company.

That does not change the fact that halo was nothing special. Yes it brought many pc pc fps features to console and set the standard on CONSOLE. So if yor going to make a topic please include the word CONSOLE in the topic TC.

No because you cant honestly sit there and say PC didnt gainANYTHING from Halo. As mentinoned before,revolutionalizing something doesnt necessarily mean bringing anything new to the table but causing a great impact in that genre. So yes I believe Halo has changed the the FPS genreon bothconsoles or PC whether big or small.

Halo started:

-2 weapon system- used in every FPS today versus having 15 weapons at your disposle like old school FPSes

-Regenerating health- used in every FPS today versus health packs

-Vehicles in SP AND MP- used in every FPS today, although mostly scripted, on-rails now in SP, in MP and SP vehicles control like garbage

-dual stick vehicle control- used in some games poorly but most use other, less intuitive control schemes

-A.I. comrades coming along with no assistance in campaign- used in every FPS today versus being alone or having to give orders

-A.I. that reacts to how you play and changes each time you play- no one else has done this outside of FEAR, not even KZ where you can knife your way through the entire campaign

-Gun melee- used in most FPSes until the COD craze started noob knife melee lunge

-Sandbox environs and gameplay in a linear, scripted campaign- most games try it to this day but still fail other than Crysis 2 or Bioshock

-2 different enemies to fight that also fight each other causing a 3 way battle in real-time- other than Crysis 2, no one else has done this

-console matchmaking- everyone has used this same set-up on consoles since November, 2004

-in-game friends list- again, every game has copied this since November 2004

I could probably think of more but for anyone to not give Halo it's credit is just in complete denial.

No because you cant honestly sit there and say PC didnt gainANYTHING from Halo. As mentinoned before,revolutionalizing something doesnt necessarily mean bringing anything new to the table but causing a great impact in that genre. So yes I believe Halo has changed the the FPS genreon bothconsoles or PC whether big or small.

Heroldp813

It didn't bring any radical change though. It just expanded on something already done and had been done for years. If the TC said "revolutionalized the FPS genre for consoles" then I would agree but what he has said has lumped in everything on Pc as well. On that, it did not change or greatly impact the genre at all.

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

No because you cant honestly sit there and say PC didnt gainANYTHING from Halo. As mentinoned before,revolutionalizing something doesnt necessarily mean bringing anything new to the table but causing a great impact in that genre. So yes I believe Halo has changed the the FPS genreon bothconsoles or PC whether big or small.

jedikevin2

It didn't bring any radical change though. It just expanded on something already done and had been done for years. If the TC said "revolutionalized the FPS genre for consoles" then I would agree but what he has said has lumped in everything on Pc as well. On that, it did not change or greatly impact the genre at all.

[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

I give up. There is no winning with you guys. 16 pages of facts hitting you guys and you walk right through it.:roll:

Heroldp813

What facts ?

Bungie was a pc company that was brought by MS. They took a pc games scaled back the features and graphics then put it on console. Then console gamers got a taste of what pc gamers had for almost a decade. There was nothing new in halo at all but on console it was a big deal. If that same game came out on pc it would not have been any where near as big. Bungie did the right thing at the right time in a new market and got rich. I dare say it could have happened with almost any pc fps company.

That does not change the fact that halo was nothing special. Yes it brought many pc pc fps features to console and set the standard on CONSOLE. So if yor going to make a topic please include the word CONSOLE in the topic TC.

No because you cant honestly sit there and say PC didnt gainANYTHING from Halo. As mentinoned before,revolutionalizing something doesnt necessarily mean bringing anything new to the table but causing a great impact in that genre. So yes I believe Halo has changed the the FPS genreon bothconsoles or PC whether big or small.

Ok I am at a loss what did halo change on pc what impact did it have ??

The only thing I can think of is it made more pc devs poert their games to console to get more money. Other than that it had zero impact on pc. It had a negative impact on pc IMO look at crysis 2 it is broken on pc.

Take CS in your sig. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first shooter of its kind but I would say it made the modern tactical shooter popular and changed UT/Quake being the norm to more CS clones. Halo was revolutionary I don't think its up for debate(especially on consoles). Whether the revolution was a good or bad thing is up for debate. Also if there was anything unique about the game is also up for that debate but I doubt anyone can sit here a legitimately claim Halo didn't push the industry into a certain direction. I think people just outright give Halo no credit because they don't like it or its not original ignoring how much it actually influenced console gaming in particular. 6matt6

It still did nothing revolutionary in the full scheme of the FPS genre. It gave what Pc players had been having for years to the console market. As I said, revolution on consoles, certainly.. revolution on the whole FPS genre? Negative. Tc is lumping in the whole Pc platform.. I find it hard to believe halo did anything special to categorize it as revolutionary on the Pc platform or the FPS genre on said platform..

This whole argument revolves around if Halo changed ALL fps gaming which sadly it did not. It affected only certain areas but as the whole FPS genre? NO.

PS.. How can you say Halo is not up to debate when this whole thread stresses a debate that it is not revolutionary? Thats horrible circular logic there.

Halo brought regenerating health, which is the worst game mechanic ever created! -_-harry_james_pot

[QUOTE="6matt6"]

Take CS in your sig. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first shooter of its kind but I would say it made the modern tactical shooter popular and changed UT/Quake being the norm to more CS clones. Halo was revolutionary I don't think its up for debate(especially on consoles). Whether the revolution was a good or bad thing is up for debate. Also if there was anything unique about the game is also up for that debate but I doubt anyone can sit here a legitimately claim Halo didn't push the industry into a certain direction. I think people just outright give Halo no credit because they don't like it or its not original ignoring how much it actually influenced console gaming in particular. jedikevin2

It still did nothing revolutionary in the full scheme of the FPS genre. It gave what Pc players had been having for years to the console market. As I said, revolution on consoles, certainly.. revolution on the whole FPS genre? Negative.

[QUOTE="6matt6"]

Take CS in your sig. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the first shooter of its kind but I would say it made the modern tactical shooter popular and changed UT/Quake being the norm to more CS clones. Halo was revolutionary I don't think its up for debate(especially on consoles). Whether the revolution was a good or bad thing is up for debate. Also if there was anything unique about the game is also up for that debate but I doubt anyone can sit here a legitimately claim Halo didn't push the industry into a certain direction. I think people just outright give Halo no credit because they don't like it or its not original ignoring how much it actually influenced console gaming in particular. jedikevin2

It still did nothing revolutionary in the full scheme of the FPS genre. It gave what Pc players had been having for years to the console market. As I said, revolution on consoles, certainly.. revolution on the whole FPS genre? Negative.

It easily revolutionised the FPS console market, FPSes on consoles and online on console. But to say it didn't do anything that PC gaming didn't already do? Did you look at the list I made at the top of the page? Not a single PC game did any of that until AFTER Halo did it. Just live with it. Consoles make more money than PC, are more popular than hardcore PC gaming and do in fact do many things well before PC. You have the graphical debate won, the online gameplay on dial-up first debate won, but nothing more.