Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?

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[QUOTE="Heroldp813"]

What? I have no reasoning or points to prove. What are you talking about? You said people dont bash Halobut I see it all the time on SW. Even though the game was and still is amazing.

Heroldp813

Your topic title states "Why Do People Act Like Halo Didnt Revolutionalized the FPS Genre?" You would do well to address exactly why it did revolutionize the genre, thus giving the individuals who think it didn't, pause for thought.

Also, I never said that people don't "bash" Halo, I simply stated "...I haven't heard anybody say it in a long while."

You made a very valid point. In my haste to argue with Halo haters, I forgot to delve into why Halo is revolutionary. Also I figured someone else would state those facts.

The topic title should have read as; "Why do people act like Halo didn't significantly contribute to the FPS genre?"

Might want to consider editing your topic title to that, TC :)

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Seriously, who cares if it borrowed things from previous games (that happens everywhere)? The point is that every modern FPS on consoles borrows from it.Boomshaffted

So yeah, he's spot on - who cares if Halo borrows things from other games? It's Halo's package that made the gaming industry follow, not those who they borrowed from.

edit: Like all games with cover mechanics now are ripping off Gears of War and not Killswitch ;)

Thank you SO SO much for this post

-RocBoys9489-

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Meh, if it had been released in the period with Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Tribes, AvP, Half-Life, Shadow Warrior and all that stuff (late 90's), I'd agree with you, but... What did it have to compete with in the early 2000's? Return to Castle Wolfenstein? No-One Lives forever? The only one I can really think of is Tribes 2 and while I'd probably have taken Tribes 2 ahead of it personally, Halo had a great single player campaign, great co-op, and solid multiplayer, compared to Tribes 2's multiplayer only. It was probably the most complete package of any game I've listed here, having very solid offerings in literally every major are FPS's tended to delve into.

Lucianu

So you're yet another fan that wasn't bored by those horribly repetitive environments? I could never grasp why fans loved the original's campaign, i thought it was a long, tedious slog through endlessly repeating environments. Halo 2 was a far more superior, and impressive game, and Half Life 1 obliterates both in terms of level design, enemy AI and enemy variety.

WOLF3d, Doom, DN3D, and Halflife did more.

how about that every gun has a different purpose? Some kill shields faster, some kill health faster. Some for short, some for mid, some for long range. Some immobilize their target as well.

there is a situation for every gun.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Thank you SO SO much for this post

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Seriously, who cares if it borrowed things from previous games (that happens everywhere)? The point is that every modern FPS on consoles borrows from it.Boomshaffted

So yeah, he's spot on - who cares if Halo borrows things from other games? It's Halo's package that made the gaming industry follow, not those who they borrowed from.

yeah. game/set/match. thread done.

take a bow.

Thank you SO SO much for this post

edit: Like all games with cover mechanics now are ripping off Gears of War and not Killswitch ;)

-RocBoys9489-

It's an opinion, whether uninformed or not, or based purely on stupidity. This is the internet after all. Anyone that acknowledges and respects the gaming industry from a creativity standpoint would know that Halo made a very sizable contribution to the FPS market and genre, as a whole. As with Half Life, before it. The Duke Nukem's, the DOOM's, out there.

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Thank you SO SO much for this post

DragonfireXZ95

Call of Duty.

So you're yet another fan that wasn't bored by those horribly repetitive environments? I could never grasp why fans loved the original's campaign, i thought it was a long, tedious slog through endlessly repeating environments. Halo 2 was a far more superior, and impressive game, and Half Life 1 obliterates both in terms of level design, enemy AI and enemy variety.

Lucianu

The original Half Life overstayed its welcome with a couple tiring sections and a lousy endgame. Great game all around, and it's a much more groundbreaking title than CE. But CE is so well-rounded that HL doesn't come close to "obliterating" any of the game's aspects.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Yeah, he deserves a cookie. I think he wrapped this thread up...

lespaul1919

Call of Duty.

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Thank you SO SO much for this post

DragonfireXZ95

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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Thank you SO SO much for this post

DragonfireXZ95

edit: I do think that Bungie was very lucky to be the first developer to release an FPS on the Xbox, I don't doubt that other developers at the time would have utilized the hardware and created one just as good or better.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

So you're yet another fan that wasn't bored by those horribly repetitive environments? I could never grasp why fans loved the original's campaign, i thought it was a long, tedious slog through endlessly repeating environments. Halo 2 was a far more superior, and impressive game, and Half Life 1 obliterates both in terms of level design, enemy AI and enemy variety.

drinkerofjuice

The original Half Life overstayed its welcome with a couple tiring sections and a lousy endgame. Great game all around, and it's a much more groundbreaking title than CE. But CE is so well-rounded that HL doesn't come close to "obliterating" any of the game's aspects.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] So you guys can gloat about how Halo borrowed things from other games and everyone else can just use Halo as a template. :lol: Give credit where credit is due. Very little first person shooters that are actually any good have not borrowed ideas from Halo. What is a good first person shooter that has copied the Halo template?DragonfireXZ95

Call of Duty.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Yeah, he deserves a cookie. I think he wrapped this thread up...

wolverine4262

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] So you guys can gloat about how Halo borrowed things from other games and everyone else can just use Halo as a template. :lol: Give credit where credit is due. Very little first person shooters that are actually any good have not borrowed ideas from Halo. What is a good first person shooter that has copied the Halo template?DragonfireXZ95

Call of Duty.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

Call of Duty.

drinkerofjuice

I meant the old ones lol. but yeah, even the new ones sell millions and are loved by millions so they are indeed good.

but some other mechanics that get looked over

crouch landing. if falling from a distance if you crouch right when you land it might save your life.

dynamic spawn system where you can force planned or random spawns.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

Call of Duty.

drinkerofjuice

CoD2 was even better and even MORE like halo. I used to call it "Call of Halo" lol.

yep, halo did everything and everything well. unlike anything before it.

^don't hate a control scheme just cuz you are bad at it.

Its really getting on my nerves hearing people say Halo didnt bring anything to the table. Are you people crazy?!

Heroldp813

No, not crazy. Knowledgeable.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] Yeah, he deserves a cookie. I think he wrapped this thread up...

-RocBoys9489-

edit: I do think that Bungie was very lucky to be the first developer to release an FPS on the Xbox, I don't doubt that other developers at the time would have utilized the hardware and created one just as good or better.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

Call of Duty.

kidcool189

^at never playing halo yet hating on it.

Change thread to "console FPS" and you MIGHT have a point.

Otherwise, its 100% not true

yep, halo did everything and everything well. unlike anything before it.

^don't hate a control scheme just cuz you are bad at it.

lespaul1919

[QUOTE="kidcool189"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I said a good first person shooter.DragonfireXZ95

killzone series.resistance series. FEAR. PDZ.

then even 3rd person games like uncharted use the dropping and picking up weapons on the fly.

Well it didn't revolutionalize it. It was just a culmination of many good things some FPS games already had before. However, there's no denying it's influence on the FPS genre.

Halo didn't bring much new to PC gaming and so those people are correct.

Halo did change the entire landscape of console gaming and remains one of the most influential games of all time and so those people that deny this are incorrect.

You give credit where credit is due, regardless of if you like a game or not and Halo deserves credit for establishing the entire genre on consoles. All of these Killzone, Call of Duty and whatever other franchises people love on consoles, they wouldn't be around without Bungie, Microsoft and Halo.

But shooters on PC didn't need Halo. It was a great shooter, but not the same type of game that console gamers saw.

Sadly, Half-Life's gunplay was some of the most uninspired in the FPS genre at the time, which is why it's almost the only major FPS release of the time that had it's multiplayer make zero impact on the industry. Wasn't popular, wasn't played, it was just there - mainly because the gunplay was stiff and just lame. Same was true for singleplayer. Also, I'd say that Half Elites were the first enemies who truly trumped Half-Life marines for AI. Halo's single player was lacking in some ways - though, the repetitive environments charge is literally leveled against one level and ignores most of the game - but simply put, it was more fun than Half Life's. So no, wasn't bored at all. Halo had probably my favourite single player campaign since Duke Nukem 3D a half decade before.Boomshaffted

The gunplay was stiff, though the weapons had plenty of diversity which helped, and the level design was creative. Halo had a far better gunplay. Every game has its pros and its cons, and in HLs case, though its con was a pretty big one, its pros managed to outweight that. And HLs MP portion may have ben a fail, but that shortly didn't matter because of a 'you know what' mod that arguably became the most popular MP FPS on the face of the Earth if we look at the grand scheme of things (being played competitively for over 10 years, with a gigantic community - 15.000 to 17.000 servers packed with players *today*, and in huge gaming leagues such as PGL)

It carried a scale that surpassed a lot of shooters on console and PC alike. It really made you feel like you were part of something bigger than the main character, and while it had a couple stinkers (most notably The Library), it had good pacing and variety through and through.

The original Half Life overstayed its welcome with a couple tiring sections and a lousy endgame. Great game all around, and it's a much more groundbreaking title than CE. But CE is so well-rounded that HL doesn't come close to "obliterating" any of the game's aspects.

drinkerofjuice

Like i said, every single game in existence has its pros and its cons, i'll not ignore any con from any of my favorite game, but if its simply a matter of taste, than that's not going to go anywere, except in circles. I know Half Life 1 (and this includes the entire HL franchise) had a incredibly bad ending, but this is one game were i'll replay it not for the ending or story, but simply because of great challenging AI, great level design, and enemy variety.

Yes Halo did have scale, both in story and environment. And speaking about the story itself, let me add that i consider the Halo franchise to have one of the best lores of first person shooters, because the depth provided by the books and comics is praise worthy (i have the books).

I just didn't like playing trough horrendously repetitive environments, because they bore me to death. For the life of me, did i not enjoy playing trough, but i did for the story itself and to end it. I don't like leaving games unfinished.. I guess i'll always consider Halo 2 as being the far more superior game, that should get far more praise than Halo 1.

Halo didn't bring much new to PC gaming and so those people are correct.

Halo did change the entire landscape of console gaming and remains one of the most influential games of all time and so those people that deny this are incorrect.

You give credit where credit is due, regardless of if you like a game or not and Halo deserves credit for establishing the entire genre on consoles. All of these Killzone, Call of Duty and whatever other franchises people love on consoles, they wouldn't be around without Bungie, Microsoft and Halo.

But shooters on PC didn't need Halo. It was a great shooter, but not the same type of game that console gamers saw.

NeonNinja

I play it on PC. over any PC FPS.

the gunplay is just the absolute best combinaton of skill and fun. its so smooth and fluid.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Seriously, who cares if it borrowed things from previous games (that happens everywhere)? The point is that every modern FPS on consoles borrows from it.-RocBoys9489-

Just tell him the guy who created slice bread didnt invent the recipe for bread.

I play it on PC. over any PC FPS.

the gunplay is just the absolute best combinaton of skill and fun. its so smooth and fluid.

lespaul1919

Let me guess...never played Quake or UT, have you?

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] So you're saying that even though Halo borrows concepts from previous games, other games borrow concepts from Halo? Maybe you should think about what you wrote here, because it doesn't make a lick of sense.Heroldp813

Just tell him the guy who created slice bread didnt invent the recipe for bread.

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I play it on PC. over any PC FPS.

the gunplay is just the absolute best combinaton of skill and fun. its so smooth and fluid.

Mograine

Let me guess...never played Quake or UT, have you?

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

I play it on PC. over any PC FPS.

the gunplay is just the absolute best combinaton of skill and fun. its so smooth and fluid.

Mograine

Let me guess...never played Quake or UT, have you?

favorite all time games:
1. halo 1
2. quake 3
3. UT2004

nice guess though. arena fps games are my ****.

quake 4 and UT3 kinda left a bad taste in my mouth tho.

nice guess though. arena fps games are my ****.

lespaul1919

Then you should get UT '99 GOTY edition. 11 year on, and it still has over 1300 - 1500 servers with 800 - 1000 players, 24/7, more than both UT 2k4(sadly) and UT3 combined.

Here's food for thought. The American Declaration of Independence is widely considered to be a revolutionary document - and rightly so. It has been the inspiration and model for countless constitutions and bills of rights around the world, and in general, is one of the most cherished documents in the political development of the west. The catch is, there is next to nothing - pardon, *nothing* - original in it. The men who penned it didn't set up a think tank and say "We're going to come up with something new, something the world has never seen, and do things in a totally different way - and THAT will be the foundation for our country!" Nope, not even close. Rather, what they did was do some reading... John Locke, Jean-Jacque Rousseau, David Hume, Adam Smith, and a few others. They lifted certain ideas from those philosophers, slapped them together into a document which in itself said nothing that hadn't been publicly aired before, and they said "here is our Declaration of Independence." A conglomeration of copied, borrowed, stolen - whatever you want to call it - ideas, which is in itself a revolutionary document because it has actually inspired many other countries to model their important documents after it. After IT - not Locke or Hume or Rousseau's assertions through various treatises and discourses. Or is it? By the standards many of you are setting, John Locke is probably the true revolutionary here, not those who penned the Declaration. On that note, I'm out of this thread. I think a lot of you are - something I'm seeing more and more of these days - just a bunch of bitter PC fanatics who can't give a console game credit where credit is due. Maybe still miffed that Halo was supposed to be a massive open world shooter for the PC years before MS snagged it..Boomshaffted

Enlighten me, why do you think Halo didn't have nearly as much success on PC as it had on Xbox?

I clearly see who the bitter one is right now.