Why do people insist on putting Alan Wake and ME2 up there with GOW3 and U2?

Also, TC, if you think that sales are any determining factor in which game is better, to be consistent you'd have to extend that logic to other things, like consoles. Are you sure you want to go down that road?

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] uncharted sold 2.5 million, Mass Effect sold 2 million on 360 according to VGchartz................ if i remember correctly, Sony released the official numbers for uncharted at 3 million (looking it up right now) either way, you need to work on your math skillsHanass

Any particular reason you excluded the PC sales? Or is it because you don't want anything that beats the PS3 to exist?

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] still waiting on a response..............mrarmyman48

Any particular reason you excluded the PC sales? Or is it because you don't want anything that beats the PS3 to exist?

When are you going to give me a reliable source that says UC outsold ME?

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] still waiting on a response..............mrarmyman48

Any particular reason you excluded the PC sales? Or is it because you don't want anything that beats the PS3 to exist?

I don't "hide" behind PC. I honestly don't give a damn about all these Xbox 360 vs PS3 threads. Both consoles produce roughly the same visuals.

Ok, so because the game had a delayed release on PC, you exclude it? You know what, let's just make a new rule: in the Olympics, the handicapped are not allowed to have medals, because you know, they are handicapped, so that makes them better. :lol:

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] uncharted sold 2.5 million, Mass Effect sold 2 million on 360 according to VGchartz................ if i remember correctly, Sony released the official numbers for uncharted at 3 million (looking it up right now) either way, you need to work on your math skillsSparkyProtocol

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] still waiting on a response..............mrarmyman48

So, if we went through all this trouble to use sales as some kind of measure of quality, can we apply this method of measurement to consoles?

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] U2 is getting all its hype from game critics and websites, Alan wake and mass effect are getting their graphics hype from lemmings. while mass effect may actually warrant some of its critical hype, the graphics are terribly overrated. Alan wake has done absolutely nothing to warrant the insane amount of hype its getting, the graphics are average, and the gameplay looks laughably booring (running around with a flashlight, woopee!). The game REEKS of generic in every area from gameplay, to graphics, to art direction, especially for a game thats been in development as long as it has. hell there are 360 games that look better, including SC:C like i mentioned. I think people are just holding onto the stigma Alan Wake got years ago. also im fully aware that graphics dont make a game, but it has average looking gameplay as well. GOW3 and U2 actually have excellent graphics and gameplay, so they deserve their hype. mrarmyman48

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="Hanass"]

Any particular reason you excluded the PC sales? Or is it because you don't want anything that beats the PS3 to exist?

SparkyProtocol

When are you going to give me a reliable source that says UC outsold ME?

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Okay, First off, Alan wake is anything but generic. How many games are like Alan Wake? None. And, from the gameplay vids we'vet looks very, very nice graphicly. And to come back from that, you say Alan Wake looks boring, when GoW, you just run around, button mashing, and gorely decapacitating people. And, GoW, really, does not look to be nearly at the same level graphicaly as U2 and Alan Wake. Mass Effect isnt really being hyped for its graphics, not sure where that one came from.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] GOW3 is boring yet 3 games have been released in the series so far, each entry averaging over 91% on gamerankings (including the psp game, which was a "watered down rehash of the first 2" still managed to snag AAA)???. Having played GOW, many call it the best game on ps2. onto Alan Wake, it looks generic because its art direction looks just like any other 360 game. nothing about it stands out. generic looking character, generic looking setting. and like I said, go look at the videos on your tv,(not your computer) of Alan Wake, and GOW3, and it looks almost like a generational difference (Much more so with Mass Effect 2)mrarmyman48

Killzone 2 has extremely linear levels, stereotypical characters and weak story. Hey, that DOES look like a generic shooter!

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] GOW3 is boring yet 3 games have been released in the series so far, each entry averaging over 91% on gamerankings (including the psp game, which was a "watered down rehash of the first 2" still managed to snag AAA)???. Having played GOW, many call it the best game on ps2. onto Alan Wake, it looks generic because its art direction looks just like any other 360 game. nothing about it stands out. generic looking character, generic looking setting. and like I said, go look at the videos on your tv,(not your computer) of Alan Wake, and GOW3, and it looks almost like a generational difference (Much more so with Mass Effect 2)mrarmyman48

It's funny. You say that you will not find another game with the same art direction as Killzone 2 yet you have still failed to provide us with a game with the same art direction as Alan Wake.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] I am still waiting for a link that says Uncharted 2 sold more. VGchartz is laughable here.Tragic_Kingdom7

So, if we went through all this trouble to use sales as some kind of measure of quality, can we apply this method of measurement to consoles?

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] why dont you give me a link proving that Mass Effect sold more? Ive already provided you with proof to back my statement up so ive already done my half of this arguement. if my source (vgcharts) isnt good enough, its YOUR job to prive a better onemrarmyman48

So, if we went through all this trouble to use sales as some kind of measure of quality, can we apply this method of measurement to consoles?

Dude, the "revenue" claim is nonsense in the context of this argument. We're talking about units sold, not "revenue".

Secondly, you're showing the flaw in your own damn argument. You come up with a condition for why the 360 sells better not realizing that games sell better than one another largely based on certain conditions which don't neccesarily have to do with quality. That is why you can't use sales as a quality measuring stick.

You said that sales can be used as a measuring stick for quality. So if we use it for consoles, don't be intellectually dishonest and say, "Well, you can't use it for 360, because...." It's not consistent and you are flying in the face of your own logic. Either sales is a reliable measuring stick or it is not. You can't try and ignore "conditions" on games but point to them when it comes to consoles.

I'm sure you have another excuse for the Wii's monster sales too. "It's being sold too teh casuals so it doesn't count!" or some nonsense like that.

Please don't insult are intelligence with this garbage.

lol. It seems like that last post of mine killed the thread.

lol. It seems like that last post of mine killed the thread.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Good. This thread was getting on my nerves. He's the kind of poster you just can't talk some sense into, but I think you've managed it... for now.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

lol. It seems like that last post of mine killed the thread.

Good. This thread was getting on my nerves. He's the kind of poster you just can't talk some sense into, but I think you've managed it... for now.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

So, if we went through all this trouble to use sales as some kind of measure of quality, can we apply this method of measurement to consoles?

Tragic_Kingdom7

Dude, the "revenue" claim is nonsense in the context of this argument. We're talking about units sold, not "revenue".

Secondly, you're showing the flaw in your own damn argument. You come up with a condition for why the 360 sells better not realizing that games sell better than one another largely based on certain conditions which don't neccesarily have to do with quality. That is why you can't use sales as a quality measuring stick.

You said that sales can be used as a measuring stick for quality. So if we use it for consoles, don't be intellectually dishonest and say, "Well, you can't use it for 360, because...." It's not consistent and you are flying in the face of your own logic. Either sales is a reliable measuring stick or it is not. You can't try and ignore "conditions" on games but point to them when it comes to consoles.

I'm sure you have another excuse for the Wii's monster sales too. "It's being sold too teh casuals so it doesn't count!" or some nonsense like that.

Please don't insult are intelligence with this garbage.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"] Its a survival horror, it wouldn't do it good to design it with characters from gears then have them trudge around with a flashlight. And that last paragraph sounds more like ps3 games, the one thing that kept me with 360 is the fact that the games, i play shooters, have a bit more style. Kz2 and resistance are full of generic blandness that nothing really stands out.Tragic_Kingdom7

It's funny. You say that you will not find another game with the same art direction as Killzone 2 yet you have still failed to provide us with a game with the same art direction as Alan Wake.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] i agree resistance is generic blandness, as it is, but this thread is not about resistance. btw calling killzone generic is silly, because you will not find another game with the same art direction as killzone. art direction does more for a game than you think.savagetwinkie

It's funny. You say that you will not find another game with the same art direction as Killzone 2 yet you have still failed to provide us with a game with the same art direction as Alan Wake.

I don't find Alan Wake too be terribly unique, but I just think it's funny that this guy is telling people that they can't find another game with the art direction of Killzone 2 when he can't do the same thing for Alan Wake.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

It's funny. You say that you will not find another game with the same art direction as Killzone 2 yet you have still failed to provide us with a game with the same art direction as Alan Wake.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I don't find Alan Wake too be terribly unique, but I just think it's funny that this guy is telling people that they can't find another game with the art direction of Killzone 2 when he can't do the same thing for Alan Wake.

Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)ArchPlague22

*cough* heavyrain *cough*

Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)ArchPlague22

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] yes, but if you do that, you have to take into account that every PS3 sold is like selling 2 360s in terms of revenue. and even then, the 360 was being outsold by PS3 worldwide in 07 and almost every month from jan08 up until last september even at a higher price point. it wasnt until MS cut the price to half of PS3s price that it started selling more consoles lol.savagetwinkie

Dude, the "revenue" claim is nonsense in the context of this argument. We're talking about units sold, not "revenue".

Secondly, you're showing the flaw in your own damn argument. You come up with a condition for why the 360 sells better not realizing that games sell better than one another largely based on certain conditions which don't neccesarily have to do with quality. That is why you can't use sales as a quality measuring stick.

You said that sales can be used as a measuring stick for quality. So if we use it for consoles, don't be intellectually dishonest and say, "Well, you can't use it for 360, because...." It's not consistent and you are flying in the face of your own logic. Either sales is a reliable measuring stick or it is not. You can't try and ignore "conditions" on games but point to them when it comes to consoles.

I'm sure you have another excuse for the Wii's monster sales too. "It's being sold too teh casuals so it doesn't count!" or some nonsense like that.

Please don't insult are intelligence with this garbage.

Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)ArchPlague22

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

Dude, the "revenue" claim is nonsense in the context of this argument. We're talking about units sold, not "revenue".

Secondly, you're showing the flaw in your own damn argument. You come up with a condition for why the 360 sells better not realizing that games sell better than one another largely based on certain conditions which don't neccesarily have to do with quality. That is why you can't use sales as a quality measuring stick.

You said that sales can be used as a measuring stick for quality. So if we use it for consoles, don't be intellectually dishonest and say, "Well, you can't use it for 360, because...." It's not consistent and you are flying in the face of your own logic. Either sales is a reliable measuring stick or it is not. You can't try and ignore "conditions" on games but point to them when it comes to consoles.

I'm sure you have another excuse for the Wii's monster sales too. "It's being sold too teh casuals so it doesn't count!" or some nonsense like that.

Please don't insult are intelligence with this garbage.

mrarmyman48

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] if he wants to start talking revenue we should also bring in profit marginsbronxxbombers

Mass Effect has been one of the best rpgs I've played in quite some time. I'd put it up there with any game from this generation. Definitely one of the best and hands down the best story of any game this gen.

nope........thats not his arguement. his arguement is "do console sales determine the quality of the system?" and I pointed out that every 2 360's sold is the same as one ps3 sold. profit margins have absolutely nothing to do with what he askedmrarmyman48

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Sigh. Two 360s do not equal one PS3. You CANNOT take the base level SKU, and say that one sells the most, which it probaly doesnt. The Pro(300) probaly sells the most.

bronxxbombers

Are people supposed to give a damn about sales, other than fanboys?

[QUOTE="ArchPlague22"]Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)mrarmyman48

Well cows are Halo generic, and what do those games score, oh yea AAA.

Are people supposed to give a damn about sales, other than fanboys?

Hanass

Sales do matter. What a example? Here you go

because they do belong up there...

now, layoff the fanboyism. Because KZ2, ME2, UC2, Alan Wake, Forza 3, GT5, and the soon to be cryengine 3 game are all within a sling shot of eachother graphically. seriously, you guys get more redundant by the day...

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="ArchPlague22"]Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)Threebabycows

Well cows are Halo generic, and what do those games score, oh yea AAA.

because they do belong up there...

now, layoff the fanboyism. Because KZ2, ME2, UC2, Alan Wake, Forza 3, GT5, and the soon to be cryengine 3 game are all within a sling shot of eachother graphically. seriously, you guys get more redundant by the day...

Innovazero2000

:shock: The detail has detail.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="ArchPlague22"] if he wants to start talking revenue we should also bring in profit marginsThreebabycows

Well tbh I'm looking forward to alan wake more then anything, Ive been waiting for it for nearly five years :x

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] nope........thats not his arguement. his arguement is "do console sales determine the quality of the system?" and I pointed out that every 2 360's sold is the same as one ps3 sold. profit margins have absolutely nothing to do with what he askedsavagetwinkie

Really because then the 360 should be out selling the wii, and it doesn't.

nope........thats not his arguement. his arguement is "do console sales determine the quality of the system?" and I pointed out that every 2 360's sold is the same as one ps3 sold. profit margins have absolutely nothing to do with what he askedmrarmyman48

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Threebabycows"] Sigh. Two 360s do not equal one PS3. You CANNOT take the base level SKU, and say that one sells the most, which it probaly doesnt. The Pro(300) probaly sells the most.

Really because then the 360 should be out selling the wii, and it doesn't.

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"][QUOTE="ArchPlague22"]Uncharted 2 is a gears of war rip off plain and simple,GOW3..Is just another generic hack n slash game..No game this gen or pass gens can match up too the mass effect series standards show me an RPG game that has more depth than ME2 on the PS3? None..Alan wake is very original and unique it's a pyscho thriller only found on the 360 the closest thing the PS3 has to Alan wake is alone in the dark.No thanks cows ill be playing my new IP's while you guys will be playing generic sequels after sequels:)Threebabycows

Well cows are Halo generic, and what do those games score, oh yea AAA.

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] because Uncharted is not a new IP right? neither is infamous? lol, GOW3 is generic now, lemmings thats a new one EDIT: oh, i forgot to mention, I will be playing my generic sequel of God of War, the game in which all three of its games so far have consecutively scored AAA at gamerankingsmrarmyman48

Well cows are Halo generic, and what do those games score, oh yea AAA.

Well cows do in general, so yea...

because Uncharted is not a new IP right? neither is infamous? lol, GOW3 is generic now, lemmings thats a new one EDIT: oh, i forgot to mention, I will be playing my generic sequel of God of War, the game in which all three of its games so far have consecutively scored AAA at gamerankingsmrarmyman48

Well cows are Halo generic, and what do those games score, oh yea AAA.