Why do people think MS releasing a new console would force Sony to?

If MS released a new console now it wouldn't stop the ps3 from selling it would struggle to sell at all for these simple reasons

-ps3 would have a far larger install base would get more third party support

-MSes first party sucks, they wouldn't have any good games for it, especially not at launch

-failrate issues in 360 would make people hesistant to buy a new MS console

-it would either be more expensive then ps3 or barely more powerful

-charging for online (alot of people that bought 360 didn't realize they were the only ones that did that, they just bought the cheaper one in store)

-ps3 exclusives keep getting better a new xbox would just make it's mutliplats keep pace since they wouldn't be limited by the 360 anymore

so yeah I don't see how that would force Sony to release a new console and before you say something about a older system not being able to outsell a newer one the ps2 outsold the 360 for over 3 years and 2 of those were after the ps3 released and hurt ps2 sales and ps2 was the least powerful console last gen and ps3 is the strongest if Sony continue to support ps3 the next xbox would stand a chance of outselling it on a yearly basis

Did anyone say it would?Randoggy

If MS released a new console now it wouldn't stop the ps3 from selling it would struggle to sell at all for these simple reasons

-ps3 would have a far larger install base would get more third party support

Not necessarily true. Look at Wii's install base compered to their third party support. Most third parties would still support it, I'm sure, but they are going to want to work on the latest and the greatest, too.

-MSes first party sucks, they wouldn't have any good games for it, especially not at launch

You couldn't possibly know that. What if MS's first party sucks now because they got their guys working on launch games for a new console right now? Sure, its not likely, but its just as likely as them having no good games at launch. Launch titles don't depend solely on first party, either.

-failrate issues in 360 would make people hesistant to buy a new MS console

People would be cautious, yes, but I doubt it would slow down all the tech hungry savages. All they have to do is put a new Halo on that baby and its good to go. :P

-it would either be more expensive then ps3 or barely more powerful

Again. There's no way to know that. Tech is constantly becoming more powerful and less expensive. They could easily find an affordable combination to blow this gen out of the water all together.

-charging for online (alot of people that bought 360 didn't realize they were the only ones that did that, they just bought the cheaper one in store)

People who play on Xbox Live typically don't mind that you have to pay for it. Its not too expensive and it really is an excellent service.

-ps3 exclusives keep getting better a new xbox would just make it's mutliplats keep pace since they wouldn't be limited by the 360 anymore

You really think so? The only way that would be true is if the new Xbox was a tiny, tiny upgrade from the current one. The xbox is NOT limiting the PS3 in any noticeable way. If it was then wouldn't you think devs would find a way to make their multiplats look better on PS3?

so yeah I don't see how that would force Sony to release a new console and before you say something about a older system not being able to outsell a newer one the ps2 outsold the 360 for over 3 years and 2 of those were after the ps3 released and hurt ps2 sales and ps2 was the least powerful console last gen and ps3 is the strongest if Sony continue to support ps3 the next xbox would stand a chance of outselling it on a yearly basis

momentum_god

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

I-Scarface-I

If MS released a new console Sony would do the same within a year.

Not necessarily true. Look at Wii's install base compered to their third party support. Most third parties would still support it, I'm sure, but they are going to want to work on the latest and the greatest, too.

wii has more third party support then 360 and ps3, they just have a different demographic, so yes

You couldn't possibly know that. What if MS's first party sucks now because they got their guys working on launch games for a new console right now? Sure, its not likely, but its just as likely as them having no good games at launch. Launch titles don't depend solely on first party, either.

MSes first party sucks not just thier games, the actual devs the own IE their first party, is pathetic compared to Sony's and Nintendos

People would be cautious, yes, but I doubt it would slow down all the tech hungry savages. All they have to do is put a new Halo on that baby and its good to go. :P

Tech hungry savages are a minority, MS has to do more then just put out a more powerful console to get more sales again pointing to the ps2 outselling 360 for over 3 years

Again. There's no way to know that. Tech is constantly becoming more powerful and less expensive. They could easily find an affordable combination to blow this gen out of the water all together.

If it existed PC users would be all over it, so yes I do know that especially considering ps3 is cheapest per power processor avaliable ever

People who play on Xbox Live typically don't mind that you have to pay for it. Its not too expensive and it really is an excellent service.

They tolerate it because it's more worth it to play online games then switching systems because they are already invested if they are aware before they invest it's a whole new ball game

You really think so? The only way that would be true is if the new Xbox was a tiny, tiny upgrade from the current one. The xbox is NOT limiting the PS3 in any noticeable way. If it was then wouldn't you think devs would find a way to make their multiplats look better on PS3?

You really think that don't you lol what about disk size lol, ps3 exclusives have more content because they have more room to work with and no they wouldn't because it's too costly to build two from teh ground up and they optimize it for ps3 it would be unplayable on 360 so the ps3 version is constantly gimped with the next xbox being more powerful they can optimize it for the ps3 and then port it over to the next xbox, instead of holding it back for the 360

MrSelf-Destruct

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

I-Scarface-I

[QUOTE="I-Scarface-I"]

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

momentum_god

[QUOTE="I-Scarface-I"]

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

CwlHeddwyn

you've gotta remember the PS2 is an anomaly. no console ever came near it in sales and its Brand power was huge. dev support for it was massive, that's how it was able to stay relevant for so long after consoles moved on. neither Sony or Nintendo will be moving into next gen into such a position.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="I-Scarface-I"]

Microsoft would start the new gen. People want whats new.

You think people are going to want that old PS3 that came out in 2006 or that new Xbox 720? A better product means nothing. Plenty of PS2 owners upgraded to 360 just because it was the new kid on the block.

KC_Hokie

Microsoft kind of already did with Kinect. They seem to be putting almost all of their resources into it these days, so as long as it's doing well they have no need to do anything differently.

you've gotta remember the PS2 is an anomaly. no console ever came near it in sales and its Brand power was huge. dev support for it was massive, that's how it was able to stay relevant for so long after consoles moved on. neither Sony or Nintendo will be moving into next gen into such a position.

CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

you've gotta remember the PS2 is an anomaly. no console ever came near it in sales and its Brand power was huge. dev support for it was massive, that's how it was able to stay relevant for so long after consoles moved on. neither Sony or Nintendo will be moving into next gen into such a position.

momentum_god

Microsoft kind of already did with Kinect. They seem to be putting almost all of their resources into it these days, so as long as it's doing well they have no need to do anything differently.

Bigboi500

Because the one year head start the 360 had was a huge advantage. Why would Sony let them have this advantage again? Learn from your mistakes or get you ass kicked the same way over and over.i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]

you've gotta remember the PS2 is an anomaly. no console ever came near it in sales and its Brand power was huge. dev support for it was massive, that's how it was able to stay relevant for so long after consoles moved on. neither Sony or Nintendo will be moving into next gen into such a position.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]Because the one year head start the 360 had was a huge advantage. Why would Sony let them have this advantage again? Learn from your mistakes or get you ass kicked the same way over and over.momentum_god

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Microsoft kind of already did with Kinect. They seem to be putting almost all of their resources into it these days, so as long as it's doing well they have no need to do anything differently.

CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]Not necessarily true. Look at Wii's install base compered to their third party support. Most third parties would still support it, I'm sure, but they are going to want to work on the latest and the greatest, too.

wii has more third party support then 360 and ps3, they just have a different demographic, so yes

Wii has more third party shovelware. As far as big budget hits go, they have less. Just look at the scores for most of its games. If third party really cared about making anything worthwile on that console they would put a lot more effort into it than they do.

You couldn't possibly know that. What if MS's first party sucks now because they got their guys working on launch games for a new console right now? Sure, its not likely, but its just as likely as them having no good games at launch. Launch titles don't depend solely on first party, either.

MSes first party sucks not just thier games, the actual devs the own IE their first party, is pathetic compared to Sony's and Nintendos

That's subjective. Things change, devs get better. And you can't use that as proof that their next console's launch titles will suck. We cannot predict the future. If we could then the PS3 wouldn't even exist right now, because even big names in the industry said they were on a sinking ship.

People would be cautious, yes, but I doubt it would slow down all the tech hungry savages. All they have to do is put a new Halo on that baby and its good to go. :P

Tech hungry savages are a minority, MS has to do more then just put out a more powerful console to get more sales again pointing to the ps2 outselling 360 for over 3 years

Sure the PS2 outsold the Xbox360 for a while. It was a fraction of the price and has one of the best game libraries of any console to date. That still doesn't mean that a lot of people wouldn't be tearing Best Buy's doors down to get a new Xbox. Look at all the people who continued to buy Xboxes despite the RROD. If the RROD really scared people away enough to make a difference we should have seen a difference by now. We didn't.

Again. There's no way to know that. Tech is constantly becoming more powerful and less expensive. They could easily find an affordable combination to blow this gen out of the water all together.

If it existed PC users would be all over it, so yes I do know that especially considering ps3 is cheapest per power processor avaliable ever

It already exist! The 360 cost almost $600 to manufacture in the beginning and the PS3 cost over $800. At those prices with the technology already present you could make current gen consoles look flat out stupid.

People who play on Xbox Live typically don't mind that you have to pay for it. Its not too expensive and it really is an excellent service.

They tolerate it because it's more worth it to play online games then switching systems because they are already invested if they are aware before they invest it's a whole new ball game

I have BOTH systems. I pay for Xbox LIVE and have no problem with it. ERROR in logic.

You really think so? The only way that would be true is if the new Xbox was a tiny, tiny upgrade from the current one. The xbox is NOT limiting the PS3 in any noticeable way. If it was then wouldn't you think devs would find a way to make their multiplats look better on PS3?

You really think that don't you lol what about disk size lol, ps3 exclusives have more content because they have more room to work with and no they wouldn't because it's too costly to build two from teh ground up and they optimize it for ps3 it would be unplayable on 360 so the ps3 version is constantly gimped with the next xbox being more powerful they can optimize it for the ps3 and then port it over to the next xbox, instead of holding it back for the 360

What in the hell does the disc size have to do with anything? If the devs want to make bigger games with more content they can do like they always have and put it on more than one disc. The rest of that just baffles me. Crysis 2 is a prime example of a game that was led on and optimized for the PS3 and still played and looked just as good (better according to some reviewers) than its PS3 counterpart. Saying that the 360 holds the PS3 back is just ridiculous.

momentum_god

360 has always had a bigger install base then the ps3 until recently and ps3 is getting tons more third party support now, and 360 lost out the ps2 for 3 years so that obviously has an effect, the failrate made MS have to spend over a billion in repairs just to keep it's install base, so that effected it, MS covered their weak first party with timed exclusives and devs like epic and bungie, both of those are going multiplatnow and the timed exclusive thing is out of the bag it won't work again, and next time people will be more informed on the charging for onlinemomentum_god

That's speculation at best, and comepletely wrong at worst. People still pay for online now, and the 360 keeps selling well, so it's evident that whatever MS is doing now, is working fine.

Because both companies are in the graphics race.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]360 has always had a bigger install base then the ps3 until recently and ps3 is getting tons more third party support now, and 360 lost out the ps2 for 3 years so that obviously has an effect, the failrate made MS have to spend over a billion in repairs just to keep it's install base, so that effected it, MS covered their weak first party with timed exclusives and devs like epic and bungie, both of those are going multiplatnow and the timed exclusive thing is out of the bag it won't work again, and next time people will be more informed on the charging for onlineIronBass

That's speculation at best, and comepletely wrong at worst. People still pay for online now, and the 360 keeps selling well, so it's evident that whatever MS is doing now, is working fine.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony went from 1st last generation to 3rd this generation because they took so long with the PS3 after the Xbox 360.MrSelf-Destruct

It's working fine because people are already invested in the 360 it won't work againmomentum_god

There's no reason to think it won't. If the 360 had suffered a massive decline in sales you would have a point, but that's not the case, the 360 is actually selling more on a YoY basis.

All that assuming MS is gonna do exactly the same thing next gen, which is something we really have no idea if it will happen.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]It's working fine because people are already invested in the 360 it won't work againIronBass

There's no reason to think it won't. If the 360 had suffered a massive decline in sales you would have a point, but that's not the case, the 360 is actually selling more on a YoY basis.

All that assuming MS is gonna do exactly the same thing next gen, which is something we really have no idea if it will happen.

Kinect gimmick is holding off the massive decline, MS sold 10 million of them most of them in bundles and ps3 is outselling 360 stillmomentum_god

That actually makes your point even weaker. If a gimmick can improve sales to that point, speculating what will happen next gen is even more difficult.

For all we know, any of them could create an even more successful gimmick.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]Kinect gimmick is holding off the massive decline, MS sold 10 million of them most of them in bundles and ps3 is outselling 360 stillIronBass

That actually makes your point even weaker. If a gimmick can improve sales to that point, speculating what will happen next gen is even more difficult.

For all we know, any of them could create an even more successful gimmick.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]Kinect gimmick is holding off the massive decline, MS sold 10 million of them most of them in bundles and ps3 is outselling 360 stillmomentum_god

That actually makes your point even weaker. If a gimmick can improve sales to that point, speculating what will happen next gen is even more difficult.

For all we know, any of them could create an even more successful gimmick.

MS only got that successful gimmick by copying Sony and Nintendo (ps eye, wii, advertise) they can't innovate so it won't be their success in a new console momentum_god

Many people will go to the new system. With each new game costing as much as they do buying new hardware to make available the next generation of games makes sense. Even if some of the games are also on PS3 the new console would have much better versions of them, for example in 2005 the 360 had much better versions of NFS: Most Wanted, NBA 2K6, GRAW ect. than the PS2.Sir_Graham

People forget that it takes two years from conception to launch for a new console. It's not like Sony can have a knee-jerk reaction to MS launching one. They really do have a TON of planning to do. Both companies are on their own strategy and will launch a new console when it's economically feasible for that company. Launch order isn't a predictor of success. The Wii launched third and it's #1. The PS2 launched second and it was #1. 360 launched before PS3 and it's leading the PS3. Launching last would be far from the kiss of death for Sony if it launched a financially viable console. Each company is on their own stragegy.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Microsoft kind of already did with Kinect. They seem to be putting almost all of their resources into it these days, so as long as it's doing well they have no need to do anything differently.

Bigboi500