Why do people think that Gabe Newell or Valve are saints?

Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.

Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

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Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

Indeed since the only dev. that can be consider a saint is BUNGIE !!

They have HALO'S afterall. :P

Maybe because they are nowhere near as worse as likes of activision, ea, ubisoft and co.

Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.

Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

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Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

GeneralShowzer

umm... where else is the profit from valve games gonna go lol

Sales n relatively wide catalog, i think. i also get betterservice when compared to GFWL and EADM though these have improved,.

Don't know about multiplayer, i dont play online.

Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.

Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

$$$$

Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

GeneralShowzer

you know ... generally I agree with just about everything you say in SW. However in this case you are wrong. Valve has never done anything in my mind to hurt the PC market (compare them to Microsoft who practically have tried to destroy all the major PC gaming developers by paying them squillions to develop only for the 360 or closing them down all together - and this a company that owes everything and I mean everything to the PC).

Sure Valve have branched out into different markets, but at the same time Steam has kept PC gaming alive to some degree and given small time developers the chance to get their games to market without signing their future away (whilst making a profit for themselves of course ... and good on them) L4D was 10 x better than the console version as is every other Valve game.

I certainly dont think they are saints ... but there are many worse companies out there that deserve a serve before Valve does in my opinion.

Because of TF2.
Compare TF2 to how other shooterfans are treated.

Free maps, dedicated servers, no lag, no hacker problems, no big balance issues, new free weapons, etc.

[QUOTE="campzor"]just because they may have hated working on consoles / ps3 doesnt mean that what they do...they do well and treat there fan base the best (imo) and so what how much they earn when a game gets sold..they are a business after all... and they also give INSANE deals/specials .. so really? how have they done anything to their consumers?GeneralShowzer

why should you care... likely these sales are generating more money for the developers than a sale in a brick and mortar store ever would, and why are you complaining at all since you are a consumer lol. 'please charge me more valve!'

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="campzor"]just because they may have hated working on consoles / ps3 doesnt mean that what they do...they do well and treat there fan base the best (imo) and so what how much they earn when a game gets sold..they are a business after all... and they also give INSANE deals/specials .. so really? how have they done anything to their consumers?Firebird-5

why should you care... likely these sales are generating more money for the developers than a sale in a brick and mortar store ever would, and why are you complaining at all since you are a consumer lol. 'please charge me more valve!'

They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.GeneralShowzer

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.Velocitas8

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.

Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

$$$$

Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

GeneralShowzer

Like any other company Valve wants to make money. Since they happen to have built this quite large digital store they're in a position where they can accomplish that goal by doing awesome things like giving stuff away for free in exchange for people signing up to Steam.

And Valve is very obviously unlike a company like Microsoft. Valve is privately owned and thus has no responsibilities to shareholders. As such they can push the industry in whatever direction they want. Like Steamplay, where which platform you purchase a game on is irrelevant, you own all versions. They're about opening **** up, not locking it down. And oh yeah, free updates. Essentially the anti-Microsoft.

They **** me off. They make a very ocassional cIassic game like Half Life 1/2, Portal, etc. But spend years and years dicking around too.locopatho

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.GeneralShowzer

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

Perhaps because they're making money in a way that also benefits the customer.

Err..Mann-Conomy Update aside :x

they're just a developer who hermits believe to be some sort of deity. they make good games, but they are not without their faults. all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.GeneralShowzer

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

because they have done more, through steam, mod support, and low prices, to promote gaming. of course they aren't doing it because they like to get thank-yous from people... why are you even asking this question??

all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.

FatCatPatRat

Portal is a FPS????

all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.FatCatPatRat

Well..

Portal is a puzzle game.. and TF2 is widely regarded as the most realistic hat trading simulator on the market.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us. And they have the developers permission.GeneralShowzer

why should you care... likely these sales are generating more money for the developers than a sale in a brick and mortar store ever would, and why are you complaining at all since you are a consumer lol. 'please charge me more valve!'

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.GeneralShowzer

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

they're just a developer who hermits believe to be some sort of deity. they make good games, but they are not without their faults. all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.

FatCatPatRat

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

campzor

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]They make more money with insane deals. It's not like they're doing it for us.GeneralShowzer

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

they're just a developer who hermits believe to be some sort of deity. they make good games, but they are not without their faults. all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.

McStrongfast

care to explain? or did i offend you in some way?

it seems like it.

If I was a developer, I'd always be thinking of new markets to expand into.

Because they help the indie market and Steam is a better alternative to traditional bricks and mortar publishers.

It's because Valve does a lot for modders. They make their programs mod friendly and because of this other companies start coping them. I am working on a TF2 map right now. The use of steam has been increasing PC gaming sales and IMO has allowed more independents to make more money than before. The more independents making money the more games we get. HarlockJC

I'm not in love with them, I'll tell you that much. The only good games they've ever made are (imo) the Half-Life series and Team Fortress, and both o those games are massively overrated in my eyes. Steam is nice, though.

• Oh lets see.
• They're responsible for an influential and milestone IPs in gaming, let alone an array of great and innovative games
• They're responsible for supporting a huge mod community, thus resulting in one of the most popular online games ever.
• They actually respect their customers.
• They interact with and support their community.
• They distribute free content for their games in an age of paid DLC.
• They gave away a free game with proper, full support.
• Also, Steam.

Downsides?

• Lack of console support.
• Slow, slow development time - which would be fine if there was more news.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.

Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

$$$$

Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

McStrongfast

Like any other company Valve wants to make money. Since they happen to have built this quite large digital store they're in a position where they can accomplish that goal by doing awesome things like giving stuff away for free in exchange for people signing up to Steam.

And Valve is very obviously unlike a company like Microsoft. Valve is privately owned and thus has no responsibilities to shareholders. As such they can push the industry in whatever direction they want. Like Steamplay, where which platform you purchase a game on is irrelevant, you own all versions. They're about opening **** up, not locking it down. And oh yeah, free updates. Essentially the anti-Microsoft.

They **** me off. They make a very ocassional cIassic game like Half Life 1/2, Portal, etc. But spend years and years dicking around too.locopatho

Because of good games?

It doesn't take a decade to make a great game. Yeah, **** em for taking forever. The Half Life EPISODES, never mind main games, take longer then full games like Uncharted 2. It's silly.

locopatho

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please?

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

It doesn't take a decade to make a great game. Yeah, **** em for taking forever. The Half Life EPISODES, never mind main games, take longer then full games like Uncharted 2. It's silly.

Vesica_Prime

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please.

[QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.Velocitas8

Well..

Portal is a puzzle game.. and TF2 is widely regarded as the most realistic hat trading simulator on the market.

Whatever happened to the old TF2 :(

Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them, or put them as pre-order bonuses for other games.

And the L4D2 dlc? It sucked .

[QUOTE="McStrongfast"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I know absolutely nothing about L4D as I have zero interest in it, so I'm not gonna bother arguing that. I'll just assume you're making up a bunch of pettiness since that's what you're doing with the PS3 situation.

Like any other company Valve wants to make money. Since they happen to have built this quite large digital store they're in a position where they can accomplish that goal by doing awesome things like giving stuff away for free in exchange for people signing up to Steam.

And Valve is very obviously unlike a company like Microsoft. Valve is privately owned and thus has no responsibilities to shareholders. As such they can push the industry in whatever direction they want. Like Steamplay, where which platform you purchase a game on is irrelevant, you own all versions. They're about opening **** up, not locking it down. And oh yeah, free updates. Essentially the anti-Microsoft.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]They **** me off. They make a very ocassional cIassic game like Half Life 1/2, Portal, etc. But spend years and years dicking around too.locopatho

lame statement is lame

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

It doesn't take a decade to make a great game. Yeah, **** em for taking forever. The Half Life EPISODES, never mind main games, take longer then full games like Uncharted 2. It's silly.

locopatho

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please.

and here we are totally ignoring all the other games valve has released since 2004

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please.

Firebird-5

and here we are totally ignoring all the other games valve has released since 2004

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

It doesn't take a decade to make a great game. Yeah, **** em for taking forever. The Half Life EPISODES, never mind main games, take longer then full games like Uncharted 2. It's silly.

locopatho

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please.

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Name one Valve game that took a decade to produce please.

Vesica_Prime

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them.

GeneralShowzer

And the L4D2 dlc? It sucked .

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Half Life 2 was 2004. It's now 2011 with sign of 3. Yeah I know the Episodes, but they were short and weren't great (imo). Think we'll see HL3 anytime soon?locopatho

and here we are totally ignoring all the other games valve has released since 2004

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Half Life 2 was 2004. It's now 2011 with sign of 3. Yeah I know the Episodes, but they were short and weren't great (imo). Think we'll see HL3 anytime soon?locopatho

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

You're implying Valve started working on Half-Life 3 on 2004, while they have clearly announced work on the Episodes and other games.