Why do people think that Gabe Newell or Valve are saints?

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#51 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

Vesica_Prime

7 years with no news of HL3. Why am I teaching basic reading?

You're implying Valve started working on Half-Life 3 on 2004, while they haven't even announced it yet.

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?
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#53 badtaker
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[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Exactly, so why do people talk about them like they're saint crusaders of gaming.GeneralShowzer

because no matter what their intentions are (obviously to make money being a business).. they win and the consumers win WITH magnificent community support.

Makes sense i guess..Maybe I'm just iffy that they are seen as saviors of PC gaming, but they don't even make PC games. L4D was a console game, you can see from a mile away.

if they are successful in reducing the piracy by steam deals then they are helping PC gaming and there are some small developers who got financially better because of Valve
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#54 Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] 7 years with no news of HL3. Why am I teaching basic reading?locopatho

You're implying Valve started working on Half-Life 3 on 2004, while they haven't even announced it yet.

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?

So I guess it's okay for me to call Bungie a bunch of lazy developers because it's taking them longer to come out with Myth 3? Despite the fact that they haven't even announced it yet.

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#55 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Half Life 2 was 2004. It's now 2011 with sign of 3. Yeah I know the Episodes, but they were short and weren't great (imo). Think we'll see HL3 anytime soon?Kyuushuu_

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

A better question would be, Why are you arguing with a autistic child?

Thats hurtful. Whose the real monster here! *holds up mirror*
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#56 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

You're implying Valve started working on Half-Life 3 on 2004, while they haven't even announced it yet.

Vesica_Prime

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?

So I guess it's okay for me to call Bungie a bunch of lazy developers because it's taking them longer to come out with Myth 3? Despite the fact that they haven't even announced it yet.

Did Myth 2 end in the middle of the story, with no sense of closure? Were the baddies undefeated, were the characters in the middle of danger, was the series left on a cliffhanger? Half Life is unfinished as it stands, we all KNOW it was set for a sequel, a sequel is gonna come out to finish things up, we all want it. And your doing the "play dumb" act of "O well we don't KNOW there's a sequel". Goddam man, everyone who loves Half Life is aching for the sequel and its taking years too long. Thats my only point, its not a controversial one (or so I thought, forgot this is SW where saying the sky is blue has a legion of people screaming you're wrong :)
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#57 Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?locopatho

So I guess it's okay for me to call Bungie a bunch of lazy developers because it's taking them longer to come out with Myth 3? Despite the fact that they haven't even announced it yet.

Did Myth 2 end in the middle of the story, with no sense of closure? Were the baddies undefeated, were the characters in the middle of danger, was the series left on a cliffhanger? Half Life is unfinished as it stands, we all KNOW it was set for a sequel, a sequel is gonna come out to finish things up, we all want it. And your doing the "play dumb" act of "O well we don't KNOW there's a sequel". Goddam man, everyone who loves Half Life is aching for the sequel and its taking years too long. Thats my only point, its not a controversial one (or so I thought, forgot this is SW where saying the sky is blue has a legion of people screaming you're wrong :)

Answer the question, don't skate around it.

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#58 Rev3nger
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I don't think they're saints, but they are taking the industry towards a direction I completely agree with (and which benefits both customers and developers alike).

They are also excellent developers who consistently produce top-quality games.

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#59 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

So I guess it's okay for me to call Bungie a bunch of lazy developers because it's taking them longer to come out with Myth 3? Despite the fact that they haven't even announced it yet.

Vesica_Prime

Did Myth 2 end in the middle of the story, with no sense of closure? Were the baddies undefeated, were the characters in the middle of danger, was the series left on a cliffhanger? Half Life is unfinished as it stands, we all KNOW it was set for a sequel, a sequel is gonna come out to finish things up, we all want it. And your doing the "play dumb" act of "O well we don't KNOW there's a sequel". Goddam man, everyone who loves Half Life is aching for the sequel and its taking years too long. Thats my only point, its not a controversial one (or so I thought, forgot this is SW where saying the sky is blue has a legion of people screaming you're wrong :)

Answer the question, don't skate around it.

I did answer it as best I could without playing it. If it ended in the middle of the storyline, and all that other stuff I said above, then yeah that's bullspit and the devs should be called out.
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#60 Kyuushuu_
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[QUOTE="Kyuushuu_"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

2011-2004=7

Seriously System Wars, why am I teaching basic maths here? Plus not to mention Half-Life 3 isn't in production but rather Episode 3 is.

locopatho

A better question would be, Why are you arguing with a autistic child?

Thats hurtful. Whose the real monster here! *holds up mirror*

Odd. all i see is the back-side of a mirror.

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#61 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Kyuushuu_"]

A better question would be, Why are you arguing with a autistic child?

Kyuushuu_

Thats hurtful. Whose the real monster here! *holds up mirror*

Odd. all i see is the back-side of a mirror.

With crude drawings of monkeys. Take that you meaner!
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#62 urbangamez
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So I guess it's okay for me to call Bungie a bunch of lazy developers because it's taking them longer to come out with Myth 3? Despite the fact that they haven't even announced it yet.

Vesica_Prime

Yeah they're lazy, mayb Activision will get them to produce a myth every year, :P , lol,

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#63 clone01
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well, its certainly just a company, like any other. i think that a lot of people are valve fans for a couple of reasons...

1. Valve have long been big supporters of the pc modding community.

2. The Steam service, while certainly created to make a profit, offers tremendous value to the consumer.

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#64 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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[QUOTE="McStrongfast"][QUOTE="FatCatPatRat"]

they're just a developer who hermits believe to be some sort of deity. they make good games, but they are not without their faults. all they can do is make FPSs and nothing else, albeit those are good FPSs.

FatCatPatRat

:lol: That is the most pathetic attempt at bashing something I've seen in some time. Even the insults hurled at Valve are compliments.

care to explain? or did i offend you in some way?

it seems like it.

I apologize for my brainfart right then.
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Lets go see.. They operate the best multiplayer service to date.. They give as much support to their games as a MMORPG with a monthly fee does.. In that they give numerous updates to older games like TF2 to this date that have been released years ago.. They fully support the mod community and embrace it in creating new and great things.. Their games they release are not riddled with bugs, and what few bugs they have they are usually squashed easily. As well as their games are not generic and are the type of games most of time you can run up hundreds of hours on... Their service also consistently gives the best deals out there.. And finally they have been extremely loyal to the pc platform as their primary platform.

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#66 edidili
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Why I like Valve?

They make good games, they support the modding communities and even buy and perfect ideas that may come from modders. Steam is a great service for pc users. Well what more do you want from a gaming company?

Btw if you compare them to EA and Activision they do look like saints.

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#67 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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well, its certainly just a company, like any other. i think that a lot of people are valve fans for a couple of reasons...

1. Valve have long been big supporters of the pc modding community.

2. The Steam service, while certainly created to make a profit, offers tremendous value to the consumer.

clone01
Actually it's not a company like any other. Valve is privately held. Steam wouldn't have existed and Valve probably wouldn't be independent if it was public. We'd probably have EA Download Service or something instead and everything would be terrible.
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I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?locopatho
Because Valve has been working on: Portal, Left 4 Dead, Let 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Alien Swarm, Portal 2, DOTA2 - and unspecified projects (Counter Strike 2 has mentioned to be in development, and Half Life 3). Then we have the stream of updates, followed by Steam support. Now while I think the Episodes weren't that great (minus a few moments in them) and were complete re-hashes of everything Half Life 2 did; and they were clearly a complete failure as an experiment into episodic releases, Valve has been keeping pretty busy. The biggest problem is the complete lack of information, but we're supposed to be surprised this year aren't we? Otherwise look at Blizzard and Starcraft 2 - they were quite busy in the meantime, with well over a decade between; game development itself of a high budget triple A project in general usually takes 3 to 5 years on a new engine.
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I would also like to add that DLC's from Valve are 100% free on the pc.. DLC's, a topic system wars can't seem to get enough about when it comes to complaining about it costing money.
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I don't see why people are in love with valve sure L4D2 was a great game and portal so that makes them gods lol ?
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#71 edidili
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I don't see why people are in love with valve sure L4D2 was a great game and portal so that makes them gods lol ?johny300

If you bothered to look at some replies in the thread you would understand why.

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#72 freedomfreak
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They can win back my love if they release the new half life already.

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#73 RK-Mara
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They are still a major company. Companies are supposed to make money, otherwise they won't stay in business. The difference is how much good they do compared to other major companies, like Activision. Valve is certainly a saint compared to Activision.
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#74 R4gn4r0k
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Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them, or put them as pre-order bonuses for other games.

GeneralShowzer

I agree with that, I hate those hats. They've put more time and effort in stupid hats than they did in DOD:S.

But still Valve is a great developer.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?skrat_01
Because Valve has been working on: Portal, Left 4 Dead, Let 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Alien Swarm, Portal 2, DOTA2 - and unspecified projects (Counter Strike 2 has mentioned to be in development, and Half Life 3).

Don'ty they have a team especially for Half-Life. One for TF2 (updates) and 'Turtle Rock studios' handling L4D

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#76 The__Havoc
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Show me another company that provides ALL of the following.....

  • Dedicated Servers
  • Free DLC
  • Free Updates
  • Continues to support their games years upon years upon years after release
  • Playable on even meager Systems
  • Provides an ONLINE store with the BEST deals and pricing in gaming
  • Helps the developers and Indy Develoeprs
  • Has an online infastructure that destroys XBL and PSN

Yup please show me. There isn't anybody out their who compares to them when it comes to supporting the developers as well as the consumer.

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They can win back my love if they release the new half life already.

freedomfreak

this is what i was thinking, since they're already getting mymoney through Steam...

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#78 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

They can win back my love if they release the new half life already.

groowagon

this is what i was thinking, since they're already getting mymoney through Steam...

Love,money...Basically the same.
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#79 The__Havoc
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Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them, or put them as pre-order bonuses for other games.

And the L4D2 dlc? It sucked .

GeneralShowzer

Yeah maybe if you had the 360 version and had to pay for them lol

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#80 NaveedLife
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I like Valve and they do some good things for PC gaming and they make SOME good games. I do not think they have the best games or anything, and my two favorites, Portal and counterstrike, are not even their original ideas :P.

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#81 edidili
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them, or put them as pre-order bonuses for other games.

R4gn4r0k

I agree with that, I hate those hats. They've put more time and effort in stupid hats than they did in DOD:S.

But still Valve is a great developer.

You serious? Time and effort in hats? Most probably is just one guy who makes those things. It doesn't really take a team of 10 developers to make some 3d hat models.

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[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Oh please, they've just been adding hats to TF2 to charge for them, or put them as pre-order bonuses for other games.

edidili

I agree with that, I hate those hats. They've put more time and effort in stupid hats than they did in DOD:S.

But still Valve is a great developer.

You serious? Time and effort in hats? Most probably is just one guy who makes those things. It doesn't really take a team of 10 developers to make some 3d hat models.

Certainly feels that way. Bug and map fixes that are long done for Day of Defeat source don't get implementend. However TF2 receives constant updates *sigh*

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Dunno. They're a great company, certainly, but not saintly in any way. Still, I don't see why we should comdemn them for decisions and statements they made over the course of the consoles etc. Markets evolve and expand, as do people's opinions... I'd rather them change opinion than stubbornly commit to what they've said over the years.

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[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Wow. Good job on that one, Sherlock.

They have sales to make money. That's what businesses do.

GeneralShowzer

Exactly, so why do people talk about them like they're saint crusaders of gaming.

what do you want? free games? or worse sales perhaps? "saint crusaders of gaming" should only work for free?

with those sales everybody wins. consumers get cheap games, and sales get a nice boost.

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The reasons I like Valve is pretty simple.

They are quite different then Most other Devs/pubs (well devs would likely want to but bound by contract) as in they listen to the community feedback, they change the game if the critiques are warrented (usually hardwarewise). And update thier games something like 10 years after it is released to make sure the game runs smooth, have no problems and so on)

They have great Mod support, and are willing to hire modders for full fledged games (some people here seem to think that is a bad thing, when it is one of the reasons alot of people do make mods... to get into the industry).

They have a whole other level of customer support and a very different buisness model then someone like (well take your pick), They go for the "keep your customers happy, and they will be back" approach as opposed to most other companies thet does not bother with thier customers and offers support for a year, if you are LUCKY). Heck Valve has given me 2 games and 2 exp packs free over the time, it is not due to blind love for the fanbase, but if you keep the playerbase happy, they buy more, and they are loyal.

They allow Indie devs to get thier games sold over steam at a very good intry fee (I think they take something around the 20-30% but I do not think ther is an entry fee, unlike consoles where you have to pay a huge sum up front, just to be allowed to sell the game, and then they take 30% after that aswell).

They are not governed by the glight on the industry that is shareholding, they are not obligated to making money for thier investors, which locks down Publishers to the point where they can not do a whole lot of what they want to, and it is also one of the reasons forall therehashes we see)

They give Free content to thier games, most of the time the size of the DLC most people buy, and dont even get me started on map packs.

Valve are not saints no, but they are one of the few Pubs left who see thier customers as living breathing human beings, most others simply look at you like a walking bag of bucks, needing to be bled out.

They are part of a dying breed, I think there are two or three like Valve left (most obvious one being Blizzard), the rest has long since crumbled to coorperate greed or burried in paperwork and shareholders wishes.

As for the console part, you must really not be able to see the bigger picture here, first off valve themself never made a console game before (EA licenced the rights for thier games on consoles) and the ports were made by EAs internal teams.

Valve got really pissed over the closed platforms of the consoles, and how it robs the Devs the ability to update and maintain thier games (as they want the devs to pay for patches for thier own games, now that is backwards greedy thinking).

The interresting part is that I really do think Valve dislike the PS3 archetecture, however Sony has allowed valve something that has not really been done before, namely steamplay: Unrestricted access to the game youve made, meaning that the game could be made, updaged and maintained like pc games does, with no restrictions. It is a space where Valve can dictate thier own games, allow cross platform play, and they can even add said updates and extra content as they wish, giving a good service. MS does not allow that, a snowball has a bigger chance in hell then that.

So I think Valve (and gabe in particular) dislikes the archetecture, but has gotten alot of respect for Sony for giving them the oppotunity, and running the risk. The way I see that is that it is a huge win for Valve, a huge win for Sony, and a massive win for the consumer.

It is interresting because it might signal a new era in Sonys way to look at thier own platform, and maybe making it semi open. (one must wonder, since the two versions are completely similar, if mods made on the PC will be able to be carried over to the PS3 like we saw with UT3).

I am cautious tho, about the "buy the PS3 version, get the PC version for free" marketing, because if it is what we allready know from Steam as of now, it is the same copy, of teh game, but migratable over steamworks, nothing new, but no "2nd copy" I hope this is not that case, since customers might be slightly pissed :P

Oh and apart from HL1 (and css) I dont really like Valves games :S

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#86 Maroxad
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I am not a huge fan of most of their games, their games are very good, just not as great as a lot of people say they are. With that said, I highly respect them.

  • Their games are always of high quality, I have yet to see a bad game from Valve
  • Created one of the most influential IPs in video game history: Half Life
  • They treat their customers really well
  • Free content and updates, while most developers charge for DLC Valve are one of the few developers left who have yet to give into this dlc trend (outside of TF2 hats, which are in no way forced upon the player)
  • Gabe Newell actually replies to emails instead of only having customer support do it
  • Created the source engine, a highly moddable engine
  • Mod support, Valve highly supports their modding community while some developers actually try to get rid of modding
  • They gave us a free game, and gave it support as well
  • Without steam several indie companies wouldnt be here today.They may have a royalty rate of around 20%, but that is still very low compared to what some publishers like Ubisoft have in terms of royalties (80%).
  • Hires indie developers with great ideas, give them huge funding creating titles like Portal
  • Steam deals, devs win we win, it is a win/win.
  • A high amount of innovative games are developed by Valve: Portal, Half Life, Left 4 Dead.
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#87 kunggustaf
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Because HalfLife 3 is the second coming of christ. They must therefor be saints.

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#88 xXDrPainXx
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I like Valve and all especially in their early days with Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Team Fortress and Day of Defeat but now they seem like any other developing/publishing house out there. Half-Life 2 was great but the episodic installments is a failed concept and I'm really hoping they just scrap Episode 3 and take us straight into Half-Life 3.

Hell I don't even play a ton of their newer titles like L4D, L4D2, Portal or TF2. Maybe for a few hours when they came out but that's about it. I still enjoy Day of Defeat Source which actually gets the most play time in my library anymore for multiplayer. I just wish they would give us some new things or fix some things.

I will say the one thing they do correct and a lot of people need to follow is handing out SDK tools for the various games to create whatever they want. Some of my best moments with Half-Life and Half-Life 2 where all mods and everyone has to remember that both DoD and CS started as mod projects before going commercial.

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I do think of them as saints. I do like their games an awful lot though. Valve is one of the few devs that developing interesting FPS titles IMO.

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yeah I know they treat them like saints they haven't figured out that what they do is just another method to get your money. Some people actually believe that when a developer releases a game on steam its pure profit to them when in reality valve takes about 30-40% in licensing fee's.

Steam has sales to get people onto the store front the first rule of retail is get people into your store and they are likely to buy more then just whats on sale.
Valve is a great game developer and steam is a great service but they want your money like every other company.
Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo...etc they all want your money.

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#91 dommeus
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Valve like every other major company turned their backs on everything they believed in to make some extra buck, which they don't even need. They take what, 20%, 30% of every game sold on steam. 100% from every Valve game.

First they say they hate consoles, but suddenly L4D comes out and it's a console game. It's not a PC game ported to consoles....it's a console game...made to work on PC.


Then Gabe only hates the PS3. But then he saw that the PS3 makes major money, and now Portal is best bought on PS3.

$$$$

Seriouslywhy do people like this guy and this company?

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Steam sales normally have some great deals, and I'm still waiting for more Half Life...

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#92 Mr_Ditters
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I like Valve and Steam because they make good games and have common sense when it comes to doing business. Like lowering prices to increase sales--what a novel idea!

They don't treat their costumers like crack addicts that you are trying to milk for every penny. They offer their customers good service and make money by doing so. The same can't be said for others. They offer less and less and take more and more. Every company wants to make money but Valve does it with out creating the feeling that you just got screwed.

Making your customers happy so they spend money on your product is something that Valve seems to understand--again what a novel idea!

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#93 edidili
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yeah I know they treat them like saints they haven't figured out that what they do is just another method to get your money. Some people actually believe that when a developer releases a game on steam its pure profit to them when in reality valve takes about 30-40% in licensing fee's.

Steam has sales to get people onto the store front the first rule of retail is get people into your store and they are likely to buy more then just whats on sale.
Valve is a great game developer and steam is a great service but they want your money like every other company.
Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo...etc they all want your money.

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We know that they want to make money. Is a company like any other out there. We just think that it offers the best deals for pc users.

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#94 MajorGamer531
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Indeed since the only dev. that can be consider a saint is BUNGIE !!

They have HALO'S afterall. :P

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Okay, that made me chuckle. 8)

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#95 JohnF111
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Its mostly just Hermits who treat them like saints and that is mostly because Valve is one of very very few companies who are anchored in the PC side of gaming, so it's automatic approval of pretty much anything.
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Because people are easily forgiving? are easily mislead? do not understand the difference between perception and reality? like Half Life and thus have bad taste? So many options =D
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#97 JohnF111
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yeah I know they treat them like saints they haven't figured out that what they do is just another method to get your money. Some people actually believe that when a developer releases a game on steam its pure profit to them when in reality valve takes about 30-40% in licensing fee's.

Steam has sales to get people onto the store front the first rule of retail is get people into your store and they are likely to buy more then just whats on sale.
Valve is a great game developer and steam is a great service but they want your money like every other company.
Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo...etc they all want your money.

WilliamRLBaker

I like how of all the consoles you listed Microsoft was first, did the thought of money-grabbers immediately make you think of M$? Did for me... And yeah you're right DD has less production costs so Valve just like to make more money by selling things at the same price as a disc when in fact Valve make more profits than consoles do by selling physical copies. I've only bought two games DD so far and they were on sale, which almost always is just "Well we've made enough from this, here have a deal".

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#98 coreybg
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I dont get what people are complaining about.

People pay less for a game which leads to more sales and that's a bad thing?

"Valve want your money"

You mean they aren't donating all of their profit to homeless people? :(

Haters should just go buy their $15 map pack and go make a thread justyfing their purchase.

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#99 Ace6301
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So...I pay less for games, get better support, don't have to pay taxes on the games (aw hell yeah), and their games are completely awesome and I'm supposed to think poorly of them? They may not be saints but they've got pretty much every single other dev in the industry beat in terms of customer support and continued support of their games.
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] 7 years with no news of HL3. Why am I teaching basic reading?locopatho

You're implying Valve started working on Half-Life 3 on 2004, while they haven't even announced it yet.

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm stating a fact, it's taking them longer to come out with HL3 then pretty much any other dev to make any other sequel. And longer to make short "Episodes" then it takes other devs to make full games that are every bit as good. And I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it was a neatly finshed game, with a sense of closure. Instead they end right in the middle with everything on the line and nothing resolved, which naturally wants me (and millions of other people) to want a goddam sequel, which is taking goddam years. Every Half Life fan I know in real life is ****ed as well, why are you guys acting like this is something great and fun to wait years and years to "finish the fight" as it were?

erh hello? starcraft and starcraft 2 from blizzard? lmao i think thats the longest wait for a sequel