why do people want Star Craft 2?(56k should upgrade)

They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.

VS

Medieval Total War

Company of Heroes

Also if you have played these games can you go back to the 8 year old gameplay with new units?

Also you might say you can't compare SC2 to MTW2 since they are two different games. But every game is different to one and another is what they bring to the table that matters.

In my oppinion SC2 brings a really good balance gameplay using totally different races. but relies to much in which units you build rather than strategical and tactiful gameplay.

MTW2 may not have totally different races but has a huge number of different units (about 150) and twenty something factions each with unique units. MTW2 does not relly on units but rather strategy and tactics. In this game is not uncommon for low peasant units winning against proffesional knight units given the right situation and tactics.

I will compare the differences between Total War and Starcraft because it's a good way to see two different types of gameplay in RTS.

SC takes battles in a very simplistic way. It's like a Rock, Paper, Scissors you have this unit that's good against another unit but that unit is weak against another unit. So to win you have to put a unit for example flame trowers against Zerglins. Elevation plays some role too. But battles are too unit dependant.

MTW: I like using MTW because it's my favorite RTS game. In Medival total war you have to take in to account several factors like morale, flanks, elevation, speed, weather, stamina, terrain, weapons, armor, incline, formation, stealth, fear, climate and many more that can affect the course of the battle. Because of this setu p you can take out any army as long as you have the imagination and tactics to do so regarless of how small your force is. It's not uncommon for a group of peasants to take out an army of 5X greater force and better units.

However I have come to realize that not everyone likes this complexity. So I will not say that one game is better than the other since that depends on preference. But I will say that MTW as well with other more complex RTS have more tactics and Strategy than SC and other old ****RTS.

There's a reason there's tons of people playing Starcraft 1 to this very day, you know.

(Psst, it's still good, the formula that is.)

im upgrading my PC to play SC2. -GhostMLD-

Red Alert 3? :D

They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

im upgrading my PC to play SC2. -GhostMLD-

Have you seen the graphics in SC2? Why would you need to upgrade your computer for that. Those graphics are two or three years old.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]im upgrading my PC to play SC2. illegalimigrant

Have you seen the graphics in SC2? Why would you need to upgrade your computer for that. Those graphics are two or three years old.

Maybe his computer can't play those two/three year old graphics.

If you think the millions of people playing StarCraft 1 are going to pass on the sequel they have waited years and years for because of those reasons, you're very sadly mistaken.

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.Redmoonxl2

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

Thank you you prove my point. No new gameplay just same old 8 year gameplay. Every projectile hits it's target no matter what is done to evade. Look at Company of Heroes another game better than SC2. Even mario improved its gameplay.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]im upgrading my PC to play SC2. illegalimigrant

Have you seen the graphics in SC2? Why would you need to upgrade your computer for that. Those graphics are two or three years old.

They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

I agree with you. That being said, I'm still going to buy it for the continued storyline. Who knows, maybe it'll surprise me. Even if it doesn't, its still friggin starcraft.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

Thank you you prove my point. No new gameplay just same old 8 year gameplay. Every projectile hits it's target no matter what is done to evade. Look at Company of Heroes another game better than SC2. Even mario improved its gameplay.

its a sequel. you dont completely uphaul everything, the races are quite different then they were before and that should be enough change in gameplay for old fans and new fans will have a fresh experience. and if you change it a lot, it wouldnt be starcraft, why would anybody be hyped for any sequel for that matter?

they have different units a new adventure mode thing and amazing cutscenes

what else do you want?

starcraft 2 looks crappy, im lookin more to red alert 3 and endwarjeezers

Yea red alert 3 has better graphics but tell me they upgraded the gameplay. I liked the fact that in the original C&C projectiles missed their target depending on several factors. More realistic than Blizzard RTS. But if they also don't improve the gameplay what's the point of just seeing prettier graphics.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

Thank you you prove my point. No new gameplay just same old 8 year gameplay. Every projectile hits it's target no matter what is done to evade. Look at Company of Heroes another game better than SC2. Even mario improved its gameplay.

Thank you for proving my point. You are trolling, especially when you are claiming a game that has been out for a few years is better than a game that has yet to be released. Redesigned single and multiplayer does not equal "same."

Come back when you have enough sense to counter points logically.

they have different units a new adventure mode thing and amazing cutscenes

what else do you want?

vicmackey39

Improved gameplay than the one used 8 years ago.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

Thank you you prove my point. No new gameplay just same old 8 year gameplay. Every projectile hits it's target no matter what is done to evade. Look at Company of Heroes another game better than SC2. Even mario improved its gameplay.

Did you somehow miss that?

starcraft was a great game, the sequel will probably be great. Blizzard is a very good developer and will not release sc2 until it lives up to the original sc.

[QUOTE="jeezers"]starcraft 2 looks crappy, im lookin more to red alert 3 and endwarillegalimigrant

Yea red alert 3 has better graphics but tell me they upgraded the gameplay. I liked the fact that in the original C&C projectiles missed their target depending on several factors. More realistic than Blizzard RTS. But if they also don't improve the gameplay what's the point of just seeing prettier graphics.

who said anything about me likin it only for graphics, i love the c&c gameplay aswell of its artstyle.

I just want to find out who finally takes out Kerrigan :DHarrick

What happens if she wins.....again?

To be honest I can't think of many games if any where the bad guys won in the end only for us to have to wait a decade later for more. Some how I don't think she is going to even die, with Duran and all.

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.TheEndBoss

• Redesigned Storymode to include dialog trees, side quests, and differing story mechanics depending on the race
• Redesigned race tech trees and new gameplay mechanics like Protoss Warp In, Zerg Creep Tumors, and Terran interchangable addons
• Further evolution of Bnet to include voice chat and enhanced tournament support
• Brand new, more power Star.Edit out of the box that will allow the community to design maps further than what was possible in Warcarft III

Thank you you prove my point. No new gameplay just same old 8 year gameplay. Every projectile hits it's target no matter what is done to evade. Look at Company of Heroes another game better than SC2. Even mario improved its gameplay.

Did you somehow miss that?

No but that's not really a change in gameplay is just adding features. Tell me do projectiles always hit their target or do they miss depending on circumstances.

[QUOTE="Harrick"]I just want to find out who finally takes out Kerrigan :DBlackbond

What happens if she wins.....again?

To be honest I can't think of many games if any where the bad guys won in the end only for us to have to wait a decade later for more. Some how I don't think she is going to even die, with Duran and all.

Duran is working with the Xel'Naga and will betray Kerrigan, putting the zerg in the corner when they are overran by Protoss/Zerg hybrids. I'm calling it.

[QUOTE="Harrick"]I just want to find out who finally takes out Kerrigan :DBlackbond

What happens if she wins.....again?

To be honest I can't think of many games if any where the bad guys won in the end only for us to have to wait a decade later for more. Some how I don't think she is going to even die, with Duran and all.

If she wins again i'll be more then a bit annoyed. Of course I will then sit back waiting for the SC2 exspansion where i'll have another shot at taking her down!

No but that's not really a change in gameplay is just adding features. Tell me do projectiles always hit their target or do they miss depending on circumstances.illegalimigrant

So no matter how many features are added, the gameplay will not change? That's a load of bull. 99% of sequels keep gameplay mostly the same while adding new features, which change the gameplay a little bit. Where have you been since gaming started?

No but that's not really a change in gameplay is just adding features. Tell me do projectiles always hit their target or do they miss depending on circumstances.

illegalimigrant

So you are basing the game's worth based on projectile accuracy? Don't be moronic. Starcraft is about balance first, realism last. If you want a good example of accuracy ruining balance, look no further than the Wehrmacht, who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Almost no reason to pick them over Panzer Elites.

SC2

Compared to

Medieval 2. 2 years ago.

Company of heroes

SC2

Compared to

Medieval 2. 2 years ago.

Company of heroes

illegalimigrant

So whats your point? Graphics don't make the game right?

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]im upgrading my PC to play SC2. illegalimigrant

Have you seen the graphics in SC2? Why would you need to upgrade your computer for that. Those graphics are two or three years old.

the upgrade wont cost that much.

its just that I use my pc for well........PC things like MS office and interent. SC was one of the games i used to play on PC.

They simply made starcraft in 3d with the same mechanics and race. The graphics and gameplay is not impresive in my view. Look at medieval 2 total war is 1 year old and has a great gameplay and it's visuals surpass SC2. I think star carft 2 is just riding on the past success of star craft which for it's time was great but time has passed and old RTS gameplay just does not cut it anymore.illegalimigrant

Because Blizzar wants the game to play in a lot of PCs? :roll:

It looks spectacular in my opinion.

You obviously have no clue of what you are talking...

what is your point?

that COH and medeval has better graphics? so? Obviously given the amount of people that still play Starcraft, graphics are irrelevent.

The reason Starcraft was so good was because of the balance...every race was awsome, and intresting to use while being totally different. Every unit in the game was unique, and was usefull all through the game (this is something that honestly only Starcraft has ever gotten right), every Unit had its own personality...etc.

There is a reason that Starcraft still remains such a popular game....its just really good.

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

No but that's not really a change in gameplay is just adding features. Tell me do projectiles always hit their target or do they miss depending on circumstances.

Redmoonxl2

So you are basing the game's worth based on projectile accuracy? Don't be moronic. Starcraft is about balance first, realism last. If you want a good example of accuracy ruining balance, look no further than the Wehrmacht, who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Almost no reason to pick them over Panzer Elites.

I agree balance is important but I do want more realistic gameplay from such a big title. Instead lets keep with the Blizzard RTS tradition and keep the gameplay the same as Warcraft 2 with new units and abilities.

what is your point?

that COH and medeval has better graphics? so? Obviously given the amount of people that still play Starcraft, graphics are irrelevent.

The reason Starcraft was so good was because of the balance...every race was awsome, and intresting to use while being totally different. Every unit in the game was unique, and was usefull all through the game (this is something that honestly only Starcraft has ever gotten right), every Unit had its own personality...etc.

There is a reason that Starcraft still remains such a popular game....its just really good.

cobrax75

Now imagine that game with Company of Heroes gamplay. That would be a great game. I guess my problem is that I cant stand the gameplay used 8 years ago it's just so simplistic. I have been spoiled by Total War gameplay to like SC2.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

what is your point?

that COH and medeval has better graphics? so? Obviously given the amount of people that still play Starcraft, graphics are irrelevent.

The reason Starcraft was so good was because of the balance...every race was awsome, and intresting to use while being totally different. Every unit in the game was unique, and was usefull all through the game (this is something that honestly only Starcraft has ever gotten right), every Unit had its own personality...etc.

There is a reason that Starcraft still remains such a popular game....its just really good.

illegalimigrant

Now imagine that game with Company of Heroes gamplay. That would be a great game. I guess my problem is that I cant stand the gameplay used 8 years ago it's just so simplistic. I have been spoiled by Total War gameplay to like SC2.

it would never work with COH gameplay.

COH is built with realism in mind...and that gives it only a certain amount of breathing room when it comes to units.

Starcraft isnt...which is why instead of relying on things like cover and flanking...they rely on the units themselves..which are so unique to one another, that very complex strategies can be formed.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="illegalimigrant"]

No but that's not really a change in gameplay is just adding features. Tell me do projectiles always hit their target or do they miss depending on circumstances.

illegalimigrant

So you are basing the game's worth based on projectile accuracy? Don't be moronic. Starcraft is about balance first, realism last. If you want a good example of accuracy ruining balance, look no further than the Wehrmacht, who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Almost no reason to pick them over Panzer Elites.

I agree balance is important but I do want more realistic gameplay from such a big title. Instead lets keep with the Blizzard RTS tradition and keep the gameplay the same as Warcraft 2 with new units and abilities.

You speak with ignorance. Any RTS fan worth a damn knows that Warcraft 2 not only rocks an entirely different interface than Starcraft but uses a near symmetric faction system that almost every RTS game like C&C uses, meaning that all sides plays the same with slightly different units that perform the same tasks. Starcraft and Starcraft 2 are one of the few games that actually succeed in differing play mechanics and strategies when it comes to factions.

Also, realism is not always fun, never should be expected nor is what you should be expecting in video games. What's next, complaining that your FPS character doesn't suffer from battle fatigue and post tramatic stress syndrome while suffering from a broken leg as he slowly dies from infection? Come back when you have a valid complaint.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

what is your point?

that COH and medeval has better graphics? so? Obviously given the amount of people that still play Starcraft, graphics are irrelevent.

The reason Starcraft was so good was because of the balance...every race was awsome, and intresting to use while being totally different. Every unit in the game was unique, and was usefull all through the game (this is something that honestly only Starcraft has ever gotten right), every Unit had its own personality...etc.

There is a reason that Starcraft still remains such a popular game....its just really good.

illegalimigrant

Now imagine that game with Company of Heroes gamplay. That would be a great game. I guess my problem is that I cant stand the gameplay used 8 years ago it's just so simplistic. I have been spoiled by Total War gameplay to like SC2.

That would be another game for ****sake

Every bit of faith in humanity is drained by posts like yours.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

what is your point?

that COH and medeval has better graphics? so? Obviously given the amount of people that still play Starcraft, graphics are irrelevent.

The reason Starcraft was so good was because of the balance...every race was awsome, and intresting to use while being totally different. Every unit in the game was unique, and was usefull all through the game (this is something that honestly only Starcraft has ever gotten right), every Unit had its own personality...etc.

There is a reason that Starcraft still remains such a popular game....its just really good.

illegalimigrant

Now imagine that game with Company of Heroes gamplay. That would be a great game. I guess my problem is that I cant stand the gameplay used 8 years ago it's just so simplistic. I have been spoiled by Total War gameplay to like SC2.

if you made it with CoH gameplay, it'd be company of heroes, not starcraft. starcraft's gameplay has its charm, like not adding in all those physics things in so you can get your tank to run over a fence or a cover system. those things are nice additions but they are not necessary and would change gameplay dramatically so that those who dont like these things will be turned away.