Why do some people dislike Nintendo?

@Jaysonguy:

None of it hurts. I just don't understand how you bitch and moan about nintendo in just about everything you say on the forum. It is disruptive and leads to no good. Why bother posting at all if you never have anything good to say? You should be banned by now. You consistently intervene in conversation regarding nintendo and always in a negative manner.

;(

Last gen he was all aboard the Wii wagon, and now he's on the PS4 wagon. He's clearly a fair weather hipster who follows sales alone.

I dislike how Nintendo has not come into the present day of thinking. It's like they saved the video game industry from death in the early 80's by implementing rules and a structure to be followed, but they haven't updated those rules and guidelines and they are still be used today. Other companies have moved on from the 80's way of thinking or update policies yearly, Nintendo is very stubborn, the sooner they get Western workers in their Japanese hierarchy the better they will be.

I remember @Seabas989 saying this (and I hope he doesn't mind) in regards to Jayson: Don't feed the cat!

I get the impression that you are saying the the Japanese cannot adapt to change, which is a myth. And why assume that having Westerners in the corporate hiearchy is "better"?

and rehashing games. But I don't think they have the backbone to create new franchises on par with Zelda or Metroid anymore, if not they would have done it by now.

Yes the Japanese are a very very stubborn people, it is changing but it never will with the people at an older age, tradition and values of those times hold a very very heavy sway on what and how things are done. I say it would be good with Westerners inside Nintendo Japan because they will look where the money is, they will change in a heartbeat, they will read the trends and move towards them far far quicker and easier than Japanese people will. Nintendo has always been a company that does things like this : "If we think its the way its meant to be done, then that's how it is", other companies will at least see what the general public wants and adapt their strategy a little towards that.

At this point they've become Zelda and Pokemon machines. I don't enjoy Smash and Kart enough to buy that every gen anymore, I still think both of those series peaked on the GC.

Sure your occasional Mario or Metroid game, or Bayonetta 2 or Bravely Default is thrown in there too.

But I sold my WiiU and got a 3DS with Pokemon Ruby, Zelda OOT and ALBW and I'll be getting MM when that comes out, but the Wii- being backwards compatible with GC- is likely the last Nintendo console I'll need unless something crazy happens to change that.

I don't hate Nintendo, i grew up playing DK and Mario games which i had more fun before, i must say. But Nintendo doesn't give a shit about my country(Brazil), they never did. Now our game community and market has impressively increased over the last few years, we have a lot of studios making voice acting to our language and when not voice acting, at least a subtitle is enough, right? And now they are leaving here...... It's disappointing how they look down on us and it's not recently, we've been supportive all the time, even after ps1 and xbox came out and they don't care.

I dont like Nintendo because of how they misuse Mario.

Super Mario Sunshine is the only open world Mario game they have made since Mario 64. Pathetic

I don't dislike Nintendo. I love them, they are the reason I'm a gamer today. BUT, I think a lot of the disdain is simply pent up frustration.

• third party games are absent.
• they don't put an emphasis on online and ignore the desire.
• they continue anti-consumer policies like tying accounts to hardware and region locking.
• they sit on their ass on things like the Virtual Console.
• they are seemingly clueless or just don't care, make dumb decisions, or have to be begged to do what would seem to be commonsense (bringing Xenoblade or the normal sized N3DS to NA).
• they choose not to compete.
• they don't aggressively push their products with strong marketing.
• they're cheap often at the consumer's expense (no AC adapter in 3DS, cheap parts in their hardware) yet attempt to charge prime for it.
• they refuse to diversify their lineup past their own particular flavor, insisting instead on placing any new gameplay concepts into thirty year old skins that are becoming beyond stagnant.
• new IPs on the scale of Mario or Zelda are a rarity, and most everything they attempt is now some $15 eshop title. They've become risk averse compared to what they once were.
• some old IPs are neglected (Wave Race, F-Zero, 1080).
• their hardware innovations (since the Wii) are cheap junk that ultimately amount to barely anything of any real substantial value to the games they're supposed to benefit.

Do not listen to those that say people hate Nintendo because "hur dur, they want to feel mature with dem blood and gutzz!". This is predictable, apologist, fanboy nonsense that attempts to divert the blame from where it largely lay, and even if it were somewhat true it's not the reason Nintendo is suffering so badly or why the U won't pass 20 mil LTD. It's a combination of their stubbornness, hubris, philosophies and conservatism that is hurting them and causing such a negative stigma to permeate that they don't care to attempt to combat.

Btw, Nintendo were the ones that called games "toys", so I don't know why you take such an issue with the bloggers simply quoting what Nintendo themselves said.

I don't hate Nintendo, I just dislike how the company is currently being run. Nintendo could and should be the console leader, but because of stubborn old Men who don't understand the modern era of gaming Nintendo has become a shadow of their former selves.

Exactly this. This is what I was trying to say but put a lot neater.

Because they are obviously too mature for the kiddy games on the Wii U

You can say Nintendo makes games for everyone, but their #1 priority is making games that are child friendly. Sure, Adults can play those games as well, but it's blatantly obvious who Nintendo wants to appeal to overall. The art style alone should give you a hint.

The 3DS is great, I've spent many hours with it, waiting for Majora's Mask right now. Nintendo continued with their underpowered hardware plan with the Wii U however, thus leaving them with no major 3rd party support (again). Used to be a big Nintendo fan back in the day, but over the years I've drifted away from them. I've become more of a Sony fan now, MS's offerings ain't bad either.

I dislike them since Wii for two main reasons. 1- they're one gen behind in the online services and tech. 2- you never see badass titles like they used to have on N64 and earlier (perfect dark, jet force, goldeneye etc). Hell they aren't even releasing Metroid anymore... there really nothing left to like from Nintendo.

Lack of 3rd party support for library purposes, weak hardware for Wii+ and bare bones online system for their systems.

"Child friendly" not having any bearing on whether an adult will enjoy it or not. In fact, I'd bet if you compare actual demographics, you'll find more adults own Nintendo products than either Sony or Microsoft.

@emgesp:

And The Gameplay ?

I see this alot.... peoplr judging a game by the surface but gameplay mechsnics are identical.... or better in some cases.

Just take a look a Limbo.... its Mario with a bleak Artstyle.....

You're being creepy

So you can only say good things about everything?

I'm pretty sure you're being negative towards me right now, I think that's against that creepy rule you have

Also nothing I said about Nintendo is negative, they make games for children and casuals and produce toys, that's fact not opinion. It's also not a bad thing, they decided to go after children and casuals, that's their business plan.

If you think their business plan is different then you're wrong.

I honestly try really hard to like or feel bothered about what Nintendo does but alas, I still have no 3DS or WiiU. It says a lot that the only reason I'm planning on buying a WiiU, when it's cheap enough, is for a third party game they managed to bag that was multiplatform, I guess that's the luck of the draw though for them though because let's face it not even Nintendo fans are buying the WiiU or else it would be selling gangbusters.

Last Nintendo hardware I had was a Gameboy Advance which was boss but after that meh. Always saw the Wii in other people's homes but never really thought that it was that good enough to buy one, think I settled on it being a bit casual and that turned out to be the main reason it had record sales. Passed on all iterations of the PSP and wasn't that into handheld gaming at that time so never bothered with a DS and now that I have a Vita[OLED], for a couple of reasons, even the screen alone makes the 3DS less appealing.

I think people do like Nintendo but they have dug themselves into the mass market's 'third choice' when it comes to gaming.

Any one who doesn't think their ps4 or X1 aren't toys are kidding themselves. Video games are virtual toys that we play with.

because i cant watch my game of thrones blu rays on wii u

"Teh Kiddeh"

Because they think Nintendo games are for little kids and anyone who likes them are plebs.

I'd say they're fucking dumb for thinking that.

*****another reminder should be that this thread is also not about non-Nintendo fans***

(referring to consoles, their handhelds are fine)

Because they frustratingly refuse to live up to their glorious potential and **** about far too much instead. I'm just too tired at this stage of dealing with their backwardness in so many areas, their game droughts, and their games that (when they do come out) are rehashy or unambitious.

I'm not bothered paying full price for their samey 2D platformers and limited minigames, and I'm pretty bored of more Mario Kart and Smash. Meh. Maybe I'm just too old and have played too many of their games, but their stuff just isn't exciting me anymore for the most part. Bayo 2, Zelda and Xeno being exceptions.

Because they don't actually play games and would rather argue about which 30 FPS 900p game looks better between PS4 or XB1

Nintendo caters to its fans. If you like Nintendo's games you'll love Nintendo, if you don't like those games you won't. I fall into the second category. I certainly don't "hate" Nintendo but I zero interest in owning another Nintendo platform, after the Wii, until there are games on there that are catered more to my interests.

There's the odd exception, like Bayonetta 2, but in general the lineup is pretty one dimensional.

Because they're 100% pure evil.

Because most of the people who play games are just little kiddies. It takes a mature gamer with confidence to appreciate what Nintendo brings to the table. Take me for example. Im 42 years young and own a PS4 (which I think is a great machine), Wii U (Some great games but overall I think it is weak) and I just pre-ordered the NEW 3DS.

Right now I am playing my sons 3DS and playing Linke Between worlds (incredible) and Kirby Triple.... something (Also great). I love Nintendo and think the are awesome.

It's the first law of SWs.

Any veteran at GS knows it. :P

And the Nintendo forums (where he's seen most of the time).

Their games really don't look all that appealing from the outside, so I can easily see how somebody who hasn't played the franchises for a couple of decades would be uninterested. Part of Nintendo making games for everyone is that the games tend to start off mind-numbingly simple, and you have to play for a couple of hours to get to the good stuff. Nintendo at their best are better than anyone else, though. The levels at the end of the DKCR and Mario games are unrivaled by other platformers. Fire Emblem is one of the best strategy series in gaming. Metroid is the best in the metroidvania genre. They also tend to focus much more on local multiplayer than other developers, which I think is great.

I think I said this in a prior thread, but my main reason for not liking Nintendo is that the games no longer appeal to me. I'm not into them.

I loved Nintendo when I was a kid but I got my fill. I'm not a fan of the art style, I don't like the family centric design decisions. I'm just not into it anymore. Haven't been since I was a kid with the N64.

My girlfriend is into it, I own a wii u which she plays a lot and I've played it to help her get by certain tough areas but there is nothing to drive me to play on my own.

Tl;Dr I'm not female/12 years old therefore not interested.

I haven't posted in that board in years.

This is the problem with Ninty consoles for me... As someone who hasn't grown up with them like most people (I was more Sega), I don't have that nostalgic attachment to Nintendo like a lot of people do. I definitely don't hate Nintendo at all, I'm just a bit meh about them. However, sometimes I do get the urge to buy a Ninty console.

A better question is why sheep think everyone should love nintendo.

Because... who cares? I consider gaming as a whole to be the equivalent of playing with toys.

I didn't want to mention them because I'm not sure what the terms and rules were regarding stuff like that here, and I didn't want this to turn into a hate fest on the podcasters themselves, because I know most people either love them or hate them. Colin and Greg said it on one of their Kinda Funny podcasts. It was their first one, I believe. Here it is.

I have it at the point where they started talking more about it.

@EZs: For saying that it's underpowered ... does that really matter if they are able to produce games that are still a blast to play? Sure, it's not the place to come for multiplatform games, but it offers so much of its own unique fun experiences. To be fair, too, Pikmin, Mario 3D World, Bayonetta 2, the upcoming Xenoblade Chronicles X look beautiful. My jaw dropped from Xenoblade. I'm actually more impressed with what they can do with the hardware they are given. I'm not bashing PS4, either. I love it for what it is too.

I'm 31 and far from being a child, and I must say I much prefer those types of games. (However I don't hate stuff like Destiny or Dragon Age either, keep in mind.)

The IPs are the same, yes, but based on the hardware they seem to try new things. They made use of either the Wii motes or the gamepad to further enhance gameplay. Mario may have been the same, but Galaxy was like no other Mario, just like Sunshine was like no other Mario before that.

The characters are old, but I'm pretty sure they think of new things to do with them on a regular basis. That's not to say there is nothing similar like the 2d sidescrollers, but that's more of a service to people looking for something that's a throwback to the old days. If that's not your thing, I respect that, but there is some fun to be had in all those games if people were to give them a chance.

Something about Nintendo appears incestuous to me. They have been stewing in their own juice for far too long.

@SpiderLuke: I guess people don't really dislike Nintendo, it's just that they don't take Nintendo seriously.

No, I'm not being creepy. I'm not the only person here that feels this way. There's a difference between discussing and mumbling out nonsense. I'm critical of Nintendo all the time, but I'll reason why this or that might bother me.

You state Nintendo is a toy. Do you know what a toy is? It can be applied to more or less any entertainment device, period.

Nintendo makes games for all ages. They can be enjoyed to the extent in which the user is interested. Casually doesn't necessarily equate to simple minded. I started playing videogames when I was young. Maybe I was a child then. I'd ace Ninja Gaiden on the NES without dying, speed through Mario Bros, or have a blast with Mike Tysons Punch Out. Nintendo has been consistent in their games being musical in nature--the skill in most of their games revolves around rhythmic button presses. This process can be casual if the user doesn't bother to envelop their skill, or it can be some of the most "hardcore" gameplay around.

I always point to Mario games. People call them kiddy, or for kids, but that is a very narrow sighted way of looking at them. Go watch speed runs of some Mario World or Mario Sunshine. These games require more skill to be good at than anything that has appeared on Playstation or Xbox. Nintendo are second to none in game design. Their games are expertly crafted. Some franchises may target certain demographics more than others, but the proof is in the community surround games like Smash Bros, or Pokemon, or many other games that are 20+ years old AND STILL BEING PLAYED.

To spoil TC's fun, he's referring to Greg Miller who has said that on Kinda Funny and IGN :P

And I thought the exact same as you. I thought it was silly. We're all playing toys, but people try to make themselves look more "mature" by putting things on pedestals. If you play Call of Duty, you're just the same as the kid who plays "military" by pretending to shoot things in the school yard.

Doesn't change the fact that Nintendo's main priority is making family friendly games. Nintendo wants to be the Pixar of gaming.

People dislike everything. It's just "cool" to start whining about everything these days.