why do you say pc gaming is dying?

i would really like to see why people think pc gaming is dying. whenever i see that its dying, its never backed up with anything other than the fact that there are 3-4 games that didnt come out on pc. how does that indicate that pc gaming is dying? all that shows is that, for example, microsoft doesnt want halo 3 or reach on pc because of funding, splitting audiences, and the probability that the game will barely even sell, if at all.

business decisions may be bringing PC gamers less games, or making more previous PC exclusives into multiplat titles, but such decisions are not 'killing' pc gaming. i feel that the term 'dying' is misused in this situation, and i would most definitely agree that, perhaps, PC gaming might have degraded over the past few years, rather than saying that its on a continual downward spiral into an eventual 'death'. this is a completely absurd exaggeration based on a small number of games.

whatever you want to call that degeneration in quality, it has reached as low as it is going to get, in my opinion.

so i ask you, why do you say pc gaming is dying?

inb4 "BECUZ MW2 HAS NO DEDICATED SERVERS" and "BLACK OPS ISNT OPTIMIZED ON PC", or anything regarding call of duty.

It's often when misinformed articles crop up on the internet, or when people feel like trolling (not all posters of this type of topic are trolls). On top of that, you have consoles which are becoming more and more mainstream, and this is likely what the majority of most people see.

It's often when misinformed articles crop up on the internet, or when people feel like trolling (not all posters of this type of topic are trolls). On top of that, you have consoles which are becoming more and more mainstream, and this is likely what the majority of most people see.

lundy86_4

Pretty much this...

You would be surprised how many people think Pc gaming is dieing soley on what they see in gamestores or lack of tv ads. It doesn't help that mainstream has taking over and websites run with that semi conflict of interest of ads/reviews that cause many Pc game titles get put on the backburner because of time constraints (pm KevinV or Tom Mcshea for more info on that expecially last year games lol) You also have the major movement to DD which many like people to push off to the side for some reason.. For years, you also had NPD spitting out all kinda fallacies that caused gamers to believe in said nonsense (Its takin years for people in America to realize gaming is a global intentity lol).

If you really wanna look back, you can make a good argument that Pc gaming has exploded in the last 5+ years as more smaller developers have come and provided many great Pc titles to suppliment the already ridicoulous amount of games from the major gaming developers.

For system wars, people who say it morely are just throwing out a random trollish statement and when responded back can never really find a good proof to back up their claim.. Ironically, that goes for many threads that gets made here so no one is really surprised. Folks will throw out a ton of good console exclusives and state they not coming to the Pc but when a gamer responds with Pc games or the gamespot spreedsheet, many members act as if the games don't exist (alot of ignorance on their part)... It really does get comical with that type of thing.

Because it was opposite day.

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

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Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

-edit

Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

AnnoyedDragon

Oh god that video is hilarious.

well its most popular games are cityville and farmville

well its most popular games are cityville and farmville

meatgrinderz

Dunno what that is supposed to show. Cityville and Farmville are aimed at the millions of users running base computers (i.e. not gaming rigs). It's like comparing with shovelware on consoles.

PC gaming is a vast market, which stretches from, like you say, Cityville and Farmville, to much more complex games. What you said doesn't give an indication of anything, let alone an accurate one.

well its most popular games are cityville and farmville

meatgrinderz

The most popular console games are Wii sports and Wii fit, does that mean consoles are dying? :o

well its most popular games are cityville and farmville

meatgrinderz

Why not include solitaire while you're at it? Makes about as much sense.

The casual market is far bigger than the mainstream/hardcore one, it is why the Wii sells so many units. You cannot paint an entire platform based on what one segment of its audience plays.

It's like the people who count office and multimedia computers when determining the PC gaming performance range, just so they can declare consoles perform better than the vast majority of "gaming" PCs. It's an abuse of something that should be common sense.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

-edit

Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

Espada12

Oh god that video is hilarious.

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many. Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many. Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

MaddenBowler10

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

OB-47

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many.

MaddenBowler10

Actually, a lot. In terms of pre-built gaming PC's, they've outsold consoles this generation (link - the discrete GPU's were strictly ones with stripped down higher end parts, i.e. GPU's such as the 57** series etc for AMD). Furthermore, you could look at nVidia and AMD's shipped numbers for their DX11 GPU's and that'll also give you an indication of just how poular these newer GPU families are.

Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

MaddenBowler10

You don't need a gaming KB/M, and expensive headset or a webcam (why do you need a webcam for a gaming rig?).

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many. Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

MaddenBowler10

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

millerlight89

Yeah... a bit confused on that as well....

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

VanDammFan

LOL... No argueing over something you or me can prove... Yeah... ok? So pc gamers don't have good customers? Your statements are making no sense man.

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

VanDammFan

Don't like to hear it? On the contrary, I have heard it, and now i'm going to ask you to prove it. I'm interested to see your proof regarding how it has downsized, in what areas, and by how much.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

jedikevin2

Yeah... a bit confused on that as well....

yeah I'm looking forward to 4 of those and a bunch of multiplats that I'll get on PC. and if diablo 3 comes out I just might get it- Just wish it would be 60$. Acti is killing me I mean look at EA charging 60$ for MoH (which was the dumbest move I had ever seen logically. I mean If I were EA I'd under cut BO by 10 bucks so gamers see MoH as a better deal at first glance. It would have given MoH more leverage beyond a old brand name and a MP segment made by Dice. Sorry but EA totally utterly Failed there I mean CoD is a so much bigger name than MoH that ... gah- EA.... If you continue to release 60$ games-ZOMG! BF3 better be 50$. )

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

-edit

Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

AnnoyedDragon

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

VanDammFan

Actually for me has been the opposite. I went from consoles only to PC after the ps2. I think that this was a general trend. Many players moved to pc during the ps2 era. A gaming PC didn't cost as much as before, internet wasn't anymore a luxury, mmos started to become mainstream, multiplayer shooters too and a ps2/xbox didn't use all this.

Hmm...I find it surprising for people to say that PC has no exclusives, when in fact it has more exclusives than either the PS3, X360, and even Wii.

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

Don't like to hear it? On the contrary, I have heard it, and now i'm going to ask you to prove it. I'm interested to see your proof regarding how it has downsized, in what areas, and by how much.

DIDN'T YOU HEAR? I MS is returing to PC gaming! ZOMG! its dying! DIDN'T YOU KNOW? the 5000 series only sold 16 million in its first 7 months! DIDN'T YOU REALIZE? DD is reducing piracy! CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND? CS:S, UT2004, and BF2 is still played avidly to this day! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? PC GAMING HAS NO LEGS! IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SERIOUS FANS! PC GAMING ISN'T THE ONLY SYSTEM THAT HAS 200 MILLION GAMERS PER MONTH!- wait a minute... yes it is... mayceV

Lol'd :P

I just want to look at the evidence :cry:

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

jedikevin2

Yeah... a bit confused on that as well....

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

-edit

Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

KalDurenik

I loved the whole originality speech they gave and said the most a game like UC2 would get is 9.3 because GT puts strong emphasis on originality.

LATER THAT YEAR! MW 2 9.5! I laughed IRL at that.

Why PC gaming is dying

1. There's no exclusives coming out for the PC
2. With the rise of DD every PC game is now downloadable, and we all know downloadable games are judged on a different standard (a lower one)
3. There's barely any indie support on the platform
4. 99% of all free games that come out happen to be on the consoles, and not the PC
5. All e-sports are played in the MLG which is the pinnacle of competitive gaming with games like Call of Duty
6. Big publishers such as THQ, Acti/Blizzard, EA, Microsoft, Ubisoft, etc don't release exclusive games for the PC, but they release a bunch of exclusive games on the consoles
7. There's no big developers on the PC anymore. Companies like id and Valve haven't actually been making multiplats since they beginning. Instead they just started making multiplats this generation.
8. Simulations, strategy games, and MMOs aren't fun. I would never play one, and therefore can't really have an opinion on it, but they don't seem as fun as Call of Duty, or other Michael Bay productions.
9. Also, simulations, strategy, and MMO games are the only things that come out for PC. There's no exclusive RPGs, shooters, or adventure games on the PC anymore because they'd all be pirated.

Why PC gaming is dying

1. There's no exclusives coming out for the PC
2. With the rise of DD every PC game is now downloadable, and we all know downloadable games are judged on a different standard (a lower one)
3. There's barely any indie support on the platform
4. 99% of all free games that come out happen to be on the consoles, and not the PC
5. All e-sports are played in the MLG which is the pinnacle of competitive gaming with games like Call of Duty
6. Big publishers such as THQ, Acti/Blizzard, EA, Microsoft, Ubisoft, etc don't release exclusive games for the PC, but they release a bunch of exclusive games on the consoles
7. There's no big developers on the PC anymore. Companies like id and Valve haven't actually been making multiplats since they beginning. Instead they just started making multiplats this generation.
8. Simulations, strategy games, and MMOs aren't fun. I would never play one, and therefore can't really have an opinion on it, but they don't seem as fun as Call of Duty, or other Michael Bay productions.
9. Also, simulations, strategy, and MMO games are the only things that come out for PC. There's no exclusive RPGs, shooters, or adventure games on the PC anymore because they'd all be pirated.

Raymundo_Manuel

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

VanDammFan

Why do I think PC gaming is dying?

Because there is some unknown, very mysterious, and very evil force among us that attempts to corrupt our minds, and make us think thoughts like the one above.

Not all of us have fallen victim to it yet. No! But soon those of us still hanging on by that last golden thread of hope, resisting this evil entity will soon be overcome by the might of His armies, and His three greatest generals. General Xbox Advertisements, General Pachter Predictions, and General Uninformed Consolite.

Each is possessed by a piece of this evil's soul. It's lifeblood runs through them all! But no one gamer is powerful enough to overtake, and destroy them. Only once such a trifecta has come can we rid the world of evil once and for all.

Because it is?

I don't, and it isn't.

PC exclusives are still being released - the latest is the RPG Drakensang - The River of Time.

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many. Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

MaddenBowler10

PC exclusives are still being released - the latest is the RPG Drakensang - The River of Time.

topsemag55

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

Gaming on a PC was big in the late 90s and early 2k..Its not anymore. Its downsized a lot in terms of people and popularity. There is NO arguing this point. Consoles have always had good customers,its poplar,easy to get into and will always be more mainstream. PCgamers just dont like to hear it..

lundy86_4

Don't like to hear it? On the contrary, I have heard it, and now i'm going to ask you to prove it. I'm interested to see your proof regarding how it has downsized, in what areas, and by how much.

It's a joke now and days.

Minecraft sold 1 Million copies this past week. If anything it's growing.

Because it is?

DerpyMcDerp

Because they haven't seen this video yet:

TOP10 PC Exclusives 2011 - Part I

TOP10 PC Exclusives 2011 - Part II

Or my huge list of games to be release this year on this site: 2011: A PC Odyssey (in portuguese)

;)

If I was a bit slow and simple and drooled all the time I guess I would say that...Arach666

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

-edit

Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

Espada12

I loved the whole originality speech they gave and said the most a game like UC2 would get is 9.3 because GT puts strong emphasis on originality.

LATER THAT YEAR! MW 2 9.5! I laughed IRL at that.