why do you say pc gaming is dying?

But actually they are

Dice games are superior on PC

Bioware games

Valve games

CoD games

and not only because of their graphics. Anyways, im sensing a huge shift will be made this year. Lots of PC exlusives to be released will be high rated games and the techinal gap between consoles and PC's will even get bigger and bigger this year. Rmember the shift wich happened when last gen consoles hit their max? We got Crysis, Half life 2, Stalker, BF2 on PC.

If anything is dying it's console gaming. People don't want simple dedicated gaming hardware in their livingrooms anymore buy fully functional multimedia devices. That's the reason consoles are turning more into PC's and this will continue to happen in the future. Because PC is where it's at, it can do everything and consoles are trying to mimmick that to catch up.

Next wave of consoles im shure, they will have upgradable hardware parts wich enchance performance and processing power for the ones who care about. The concept of consoles as they were originally intended to be is getting old. We live in 2011. It's not acceptable anymore to release hardware and expect it to perform and sell for the next decade without adding any upgrades to let it go with time.

If anything, PC gaming is probably bigger than it ever was.

It has (by far.... really far) the highest number of exclusives, and very high quality ones at that.

Almost all multiplats come to the PC, and are light years ahead of their console counterparts in terms of visuals, performance, and controls.

There are whole genres (the best ones from my point of view) that are only really playable on the PC, or where the playability will be superior than that on consoles : RTS, RPGs, FPS, strategy, simulations, and MMOs (don't like MMOs though...). Man, that alone makes PC huge and, as a dedicated gamer, it makes it a must have.

The online features of PC gaming are (and have always been) years ahead of what happens on consoles. And if you look at how successful so many PC games are online, it makes the "its dying" claims particularly ridiculous.

PC gaming is the only platform thriving even though it has no huge company backing it up with heavy investments for exlusives. Which means that, whereas console exclusives are artificial (=bought by MS, Sony, Nintendo), PC exclusives (and, again, there are more of them) exist because game developers feel no other platform is good enough for the game they're creating (and their economic interest would be to systematically go multiplat).

And finally, PC gaming isn't dying because it's obvious for anyone who knows anything about it that it's actually as good as it ever was, if not better. I mean, there is no way I could ever enjoy it to the fullest, given how many awesome games hit retail every year for it, and given how so many PC games have an insane replayability compared with most console games.

Oh, and I forgotthe last killing stroke : Michael Pachter thinks PC gaming is worthless, and dying. I can have no respect for a gamer agreeing with Pachter on anything. Actually, if tomorrow Pachter came out and said : "the earth is round" I would question eveything I learned in school.

I'm starting to believe these kinds of threads are made by PC enthusiasts who want attention. It's like they're trying to burn a straw man. I've yet to hear anyone truly insist PC gaming is dying. The few cases I've come across are usually just people trolling. I personally have never thought or suggested that PC gaming is dying. It's fine as far as I know. In fact, the MMO market alone is huge. What is dying is the perception that PCs are superior in every way. They really aren't and I'm glad this misconception is going. Maybe now PC elitists will pull their heads out of their. . holes. . in the ground. Oh, I'm sure they'll still thump their manuals and extol the keyboard and mouse or talk about power but it just doesn't matter that much to the average person. Fun is not defined alone by these elements.AncientDozer

How do you know what the average person wants?

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]I'm starting to believe these kinds of threads are made by PC enthusiasts who want attention. It's like they're trying to burn a straw man. I've yet to hear anyone truly insist PC gaming is dying. The few cases I've come across are usually just people trolling. I personally have never thought or suggested that PC gaming is dying. It's fine as far as I know. In fact, the MMO market alone is huge. What is dying is the perception that PCs are superior in every way. They really aren't and I'm glad this misconception is going. Maybe now PC elitists will pull their heads out of their. . holes. . in the ground. Oh, I'm sure they'll still thump their manuals and extol the keyboard and mouse or talk about power but it just doesn't matter that much to the average person. Fun is not defined alone by these elements.Raymundo_Manuel

How do you know what the average person wants?

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]I'm starting to believe these kinds of threads are made by PC enthusiasts who want attention. It's like they're trying to burn a straw man. I've yet to hear anyone truly insist PC gaming is dying. The few cases I've come across are usually just people trolling. I personally have never thought or suggested that PC gaming is dying. It's fine as far as I know. In fact, the MMO market alone is huge. What is dying is the perception that PCs are superior in every way. They really aren't and I'm glad this misconception is going. Maybe now PC elitists will pull their heads out of their. . holes. . in the ground. Oh, I'm sure they'll still thump their manuals and extol the keyboard and mouse or talk about power but it just doesn't matter that much to the average person. Fun is not defined alone by these elements.VanDammFan

How do you know what the average person wants?

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

Huh? Your response Van doesn't really show anything to rebuttal Rays statement... Regardless, Ancient statements were just bait to flame against Pc gamers... I wonder if he has noticed the 20 page thread that is been going on for like a week stating pc gaming is dead or if he's actually looked back at many of these type of threads.. Here is the thing here.. The few times someone states something like "Ps3 is dying" or "360 is dying" those type of threads are lolfest which immediately get locked.. When it comes to the pc Platform which is doing just fine, folks are allowed to make such outlandish claims.. Its a weird conception on System Wars and a bit off.

How about I make a thread that says 360 gaming is dying. Microsoft is shifting to the Pc platform.. All games have gone multiplatform.. 360 isn't getting any exclusives.. No one wants to deal with a platform that breaks all the time. 360 can't do fighting games well because the web base digital pad sucks. 360 only gets milked franchises like forza, gears, halo. etc etc etc. See how ignorant and arrogant that sounds? Yet when flipped, this is something acceptable when talked about Pc platform here.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]I'm starting to believe these kinds of threads are made by PC enthusiasts who want attention. It's like they're trying to burn a straw man. I've yet to hear anyone truly insist PC gaming is dying. The few cases I've come across are usually just people trolling. I personally have never thought or suggested that PC gaming is dying. It's fine as far as I know. In fact, the MMO market alone is huge. What is dying is the perception that PCs are superior in every way. They really aren't and I'm glad this misconception is going. Maybe now PC elitists will pull their heads out of their. . holes. . in the ground. Oh, I'm sure they'll still thump their manuals and extol the keyboard and mouse or talk about power but it just doesn't matter that much to the average person. Fun is not defined alone by these elements.VanDammFan

How do you know what the average person wants?

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

Well, I've read a bunch of threads where gamers talk about awesome features the PC has, and most of my friends are PC gamers, so I guess the average person wants that.

I know as I'm an expert on this sort of thing from reading System Wars, and talking to my friends.

I'm starting to believe these kinds of threads are made by PC enthusiasts who want attention. It's like they're trying to burn a straw man. I've yet to hear anyone truly insist PC gaming is dying. The few cases I've come across are usually just people trolling. I personally have never thought or suggested that PC gaming is dying. It's fine as far as I know. In fact, the MMO market alone is huge. What is dying is the perception that PCs are superior in every way. They really aren't and I'm glad this misconception is going. Maybe now PC elitists will pull their heads out of their. . holes. . in the ground. Oh, I'm sure they'll still thump their manuals and extol the keyboard and mouse or talk about power but it just doesn't matter that much to the average person. Fun is not defined alone by these elements.AncientDozer

My PC elitist senses are tingling!!

• PC has technically better graphics, one-two generations gap.

• PC has more exclusives, and has 99% of multiplat games (which are superiour), and can play any old game (some require tweaking, or sourceports), plus countless free MMOFPSs, MMORPGs, MMORacing games, and indie games.

• PC can hook up to a TV easily.

• PC can use any controller, including for games that do not support controllers by using Xpadder.

• PC can be made in all shapes and forms, and look any way you want it to look. You can also buy a already-built gaming PC.

• PC has God knows how many features.

• PC has mods that can either be game changing from story, visuals, technical graphics; to skins, new game modes, and what the human imagination dictates, all for FREE.

• PC can cost from 250$ to 2500$.

Sorry.

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

How do you know what the average person wants?

jedikevin2

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

Huh? Your response Van doesn't really show anything to rebuttal Rays statement... Regardless, Ancient statements were just bait to flame against Pc gamers... I wonder if he has noticed the 20 page thread that is been going on for like a week stating pc gaming is dead or if he's actually looked back at many of these type of threads.. Here is the thing here.. The few times someone states something like "Ps3 is dying" or "360 is dying" those type of threads are lolfest which immediately get locked.. When it comes to the pc Platform which is doing just fine, folks are allowed to make such outlandish claims.. Its a weird conception on System Wars and a bit off.

How about I make a thread that says 360 gaming is dying. Microsoft is shifting to the Pc platform.. All games have gone multiplatform.. 360 isn't getting any exclusives.. No one wants to deal with a platform that breaks all the time. 360 can't do fighting games well because the web base digital pad sucks. 360 only gets milked franchises like forza, gears, halo. etc etc etc. See how ignorant and arrogant that sounds? Yet when flipped, this is something acceptable when talked about Pc platform here.

Dude...NOTHING in SW gets flamed like consoles...EVERY console...PCgamers coming in every thread screaming m/k,TRUE HD,free online play,free maps,ect..100x more powerful then consoles ect ect..Its old..SURE people will argue those facts and yes they are wrong..PC IS more powerful. Great. BUT that DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER...A multi tool "knife,screwdriver,plyers," is a great lil tool..BUT it will never stand up to the standards of real needs in the work place. Sure its handy to do everything...but its not the best for the job.

Same thing for PC..Sure its good at EVERYTHING...but not the best. Thats my story and im sticking to it.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

How do you know what the average person wants?

VanDammFan

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

Huh? Your response Van doesn't really show anything to rebuttal Rays statement... Regardless, Ancient statements were just bait to flame against Pc gamers... I wonder if he has noticed the 20 page thread that is been going on for like a week stating pc gaming is dead or if he's actually looked back at many of these type of threads.. Here is the thing here.. The few times someone states something like "Ps3 is dying" or "360 is dying" those type of threads are lolfest which immediately get locked.. When it comes to the pc Platform which is doing just fine, folks are allowed to make such outlandish claims.. Its a weird conception on System Wars and a bit off.

How about I make a thread that says 360 gaming is dying. Microsoft is shifting to the Pc platform.. All games have gone multiplatform.. 360 isn't getting any exclusives.. No one wants to deal with a platform that breaks all the time. 360 can't do fighting games well because the web base digital pad sucks. 360 only gets milked franchises like forza, gears, halo. etc etc etc. See how ignorant and arrogant that sounds? Yet when flipped, this is something acceptable when talked about Pc platform here.

Dude...NOTHING in SW gets flamed like consoles...EVERY console...PCgamers coming in every thread screaming m/k,TRUE HD,free online play,free maps,ect..100x more powerful then consoles ect ect..Its old..SURE people will argue those facts and yes they are wrong..PC IS more powerful. Great. BUT that DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER...A multi tool "knife,screwdriver,plyers," is a great lil tool..BUT it will never stand up to the standards of real needs in the work place. Sure its handy to do everything...but its not the best for the job.

Same thing for PC..Sure its good at EVERYTHING...but not the best. Thats my story and im sticking to it.

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

By reading tons of threads, talking to tons of people, listening to tons of people..ect ect..

Fusiondonut

Huh? Your response Van doesn't really show anything to rebuttal Rays statement... Regardless, Ancient statements were just bait to flame against Pc gamers... I wonder if he has noticed the 20 page thread that is been going on for like a week stating pc gaming is dead or if he's actually looked back at many of these type of threads.. Here is the thing here.. The few times someone states something like "Ps3 is dying" or "360 is dying" those type of threads are lolfest which immediately get locked.. When it comes to the pc Platform which is doing just fine, folks are allowed to make such outlandish claims.. Its a weird conception on System Wars and a bit off.

How about I make a thread that says 360 gaming is dying. Microsoft is shifting to the Pc platform.. All games have gone multiplatform.. 360 isn't getting any exclusives.. No one wants to deal with a platform that breaks all the time. 360 can't do fighting games well because the web base digital pad sucks. 360 only gets milked franchises like forza, gears, halo. etc etc etc. See how ignorant and arrogant that sounds? Yet when flipped, this is something acceptable when talked about Pc platform here.

Dude...NOTHING in SW gets flamed like consoles...EVERY console...PCgamers coming in every thread screaming m/k,TRUE HD,free online play,free maps,ect..100x more powerful then consoles ect ect..Its old..SURE people will argue those facts and yes they are wrong..PC IS more powerful. Great. BUT that DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER...A multi tool "knife,screwdriver,plyers," is a great lil tool..BUT it will never stand up to the standards of real needs in the work place. Sure its handy to do everything...but its not the best for the job.

Same thing for PC..Sure its good at EVERYTHING...but not the best. Thats my story and im sticking to it.

Photoshop is not a substitute for a counter-argument.

lowe0

Counter to what argument? That "PC = swiss knife, console = dedicated tool" fallacy?

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Photoshop is not a substitute for a counter-argument.

N30F3N1X

Counter to what argument? That "PC = swiss knife, console = dedicated tool" fallacy?

Photoshop is not a substitute for a counter-argument.

lowe0

Because "PC gamers are worse, because we say so" is such a strong position; that it requires a counter argument?

In debate, I try to look at what makes sense, where as I consistently encounter leaps of faith and fantasizing from the console crowed.

CG "I'm sure they could port Crysis over to consoles if they tried".

Me "Actually that's not possible. The reason being the way memory is managed in the game; requires more to be stored in ram simultaneously than consoles have. Changing this would change the range of interactivity, as the range of interactive cells would be limited by how much are stored in memory. Here is a video from the head of Crytek explaining this".

CG "I'm sure they could just optimize it and make it work".

Me "..."

CG "Look! Crysis 2 is coming to consoles, all that memory talk was BS".

Me "Actually if you look at CryEngine 3 videos, they explain the game has been converted to a cell streaming model. Crysis 2 is using a different memory management model from Crysis 1, one that restricts the range of interactivity; as explained earlier. It is completely in line with previous claims".

CG "You're just mad that you were proved wrong. You said Crysis wouldn't come to consoles; and it is".

Me "..."

Of course, I can only speak from personal experience.

[QUOTE="vandammfan"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Huh? Your response Van doesn't really show anything to rebuttal Rays statement... Regardless, Ancient statements were just bait to flame against Pc gamers... I wonder if he has noticed the 20 page thread that is been going on for like a week stating pc gaming is dead or if he's actually looked back at many of these type of threads.. Here is the thing here.. The few times someone states something like "Ps3 is dying" or "360 is dying" those type of threads are lolfest which immediately get locked.. When it comes to the pc Platform which is doing just fine, folks are allowed to make such outlandish claims.. Its a weird conception on System Wars and a bit off.

How about I make a thread that says 360 gaming is dying. Microsoft is shifting to the Pc platform.. All games have gone multiplatform.. 360 isn't getting any exclusives.. No one wants to deal with a platform that breaks all the time. 360 can't do fighting games well because the web base digital pad sucks. 360 only gets milked franchises like forza, gears, halo. etc etc etc. See how ignorant and arrogant that sounds? Yet when flipped, this is something acceptable when talked about Pc platform here.

lowe0

Dude...NOTHING in SW gets flamed like consoles...EVERY console...PCgamers coming in every thread screaming m/k,TRUE HD,free online play,free maps,ect..100x more powerful then consoles ect ect..Its old..SURE people will argue those facts and yes they are wrong..PC IS more powerful. Great. BUT that DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER...A multi tool "knife,screwdriver,plyers," is a great lil tool..BUT it will never stand up to the standards of real needs in the work place. Sure its handy to do everything...but its not the best for the job.

Same thing for PC..Sure its good at EVERYTHING...but not the best. Thats my story and im sticking to it.

Photoshop is not a substitute for a counter-argument.

Actually, pc gamers don't come in every thread screaming stuff. Its when folks say... Graphics king or other nonsense and then try to debate ps3 and 360 soley that the lofest begins. Regardless, that does not dispute the original members claim that he never see people saying pc gaming is dead in the forums even when there is a 20 page thread still active specifically on the subject.. That does not dispute that you never see "360 is dead" or "Ps3 is dead" threads but only for the Pc platform is it acceptable.

Sorry Van but your just mad over something which had nothing to do with what was being disputed... You do know I never stated Consoles don't get flamed right? I stated you don't see people throwing wild statements that a specific platform is dead unless its the Pc in this forum. I was not saying the PC was better. No idea what your venting over but you might need to take some time away from the forums and come back with a cool head.

@Lowe0

A counter-argument that has nothing to do with the context is not a argument at all but just a random rant.

There is always this ONE guy who comes in and says I use to play on PC, yet every time he opens his mouth he has something negative to say about the platform. I think someone is becoming jealous they no longer have a PC to play games :lol:millerlight89

Then attack their arguments head-on instead of dismissing them as motivated by jealousy. Or, try asking them why they hold the opinions they do. Either one is better than a pretty weak personal attack.lowe0

Because they usually have no argument. They say they used to be a PC gamer, true or not, in an effort to add legitimacy to the following criticisms they make. These criticisms often falling under stereotypical categories of things console gamers who know nothing about PC say.

Even the GT guy I showed in that video earlier pulled this tactic, saying they play on PC. Despite the video clearly demonstrating that he probably hasn't touched a PC game in decades. Hell, he called RTS games "single player turn based".

So when you try to get a legitimate opinion out of them, it often drags on to pointless and petty exchanges. Like "I used to play on PC, but I got sick of spending $500 every three months on upgrades".

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Even if PC is lacking new exclusive releases, games of old are still entertaining. We have WarCraft 3, which is probably the best Lan game ever (Love Legion TD) and indie games are great as well.

millerlight89

I was saying evenif it was. I also named alot of exclusives in threads like the ones below and people just said their unknown and stuff so I said even if they aren't big name ones we still have a massive mod community that keeps old games alive

How many people are willing to shell out $500 + yearly upgrades for a PC? (and have to build it from the ground up assuming you aren't paying for a pre-built gaming rig) Not many. Way easier to get a 360 or PS3 at $300. Sure you will have to buy more accessories like a Headset, possibly bigger HDD but the costs aren't nearly as much as things like a gaming keyboard/mouse, headset, webcam etc..for a PC

MaddenBowler10

No one does, there's just a few hermits that make constant threads saying it isn't...markop2003

I take it you're new here?

For me atleast, its very expensive to build a gaming PC, thats why I always stick with consoles. But trust me, if I had the money, I'd ditched the consoles an start PC gaming.

A lot of the 'PC gaming is dying' trend started with a series of articles years ago highlighting the fact that GameStop and perhaps a few other chains would start to phase them out. However, i'm not entirely sure this ever actually happened as anyone with an open browser can see they're still selling them. I have noticed a diminished stock within actual locations though. I attribute that mainly to the fact that GameStop needs more room for their lucrative used game business which is certainly their biggest market; this and the fact their stores are very small.

i would really like to see why people think pc gaming is dying. whenever i see that its dying, its never backed up with anything other than the fact that there are 3-4 games that didnt come out on pc. how does that indicate that pc gaming is dying? all that shows is that, for example, microsoft doesnt want halo 3 or reach on pc because of funding, splitting audiences, and the probability that the game will barely even sell, if at all.

business decisions may be bringing PC gamers less games, or making more previous PC exclusives into multiplat titles, but such decisions are not 'killing' pc gaming. i feel that the term 'dying' is misused in this situation, and i would most definitely agree that, perhaps, PC gaming might have degraded over the past few years, rather than saying that its on a continual downward spiral into an eventual 'death'. this is a completely absurd exaggeration based on a small number of games.

whatever you want to call that degeneration in quality, it has reached as low as it is going to get, in my opinion.

so i ask you, why do you say pc gaming is dying?

inb4 "BECUZ MW2 HAS NO DEDICATED SERVERS" and "BLACK OPS ISNT OPTIMIZED ON PC", or anything regarding call of duty.

yellosnolvr

Divide the console market shareinto Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3. Combine PC's downloads and retail market share. Unlike consoles,PC downloads is in growth phase.

For me atleast, its very expensive to build a gaming PC, thats why I always stick with consoles. But trust me, if I had the money, I'd ditched the consoles an start PC gaming.

RickyRevolver

It's expensive initially (I built mine for $700), but with the amount of free online content, and free games, as well as the awesome Steam deals, I've found it to be quite inexpensive.

Nothing like taking a game like L4D, getting it for $5 off Steam, downloading custom levels, and getting over a hundred hours of enjoyment out of it :) And that goes for a lot of games.

I don't have a PS3, or 360, and kinda gave up on the idea a long time ago because when I look around for prices of everything it frightens me :(

It's pretty funny how most responses to this thread are from pc gamers. Console gamers don't really pay much attention to pc gaming anyway.

[QUOTE="RickyRevolver"]

For me atleast, its very expensive to build a gaming PC, thats why I always stick with consoles. But trust me, if I had the money, I'd ditched the consoles an start PC gaming.

Raymundo_Manuel

It's expensive initially (I built mine for $700), but with the amount of free online content, and free games, as well as the awesome Steam deals, I've found it to be quite inexpensive.

Nothing like taking a game like L4D, getting it for $5 off Steam, downloading custom levels, and getting over a hundred hours of enjoyment out of it :) And that goes for a lot of games.

I don't have a PS3, or 360, and kinda gave up on the idea a long time ago because when I look around for prices of everything it frightens me :(

I'll definitely start saving money this year to build one, Steam is one of the main reasons why I'm interested in PC gaming, also the graphics:)

I heard AlienWare is the way to go when it come to PC gaming, is that true?

I heard AlienWare is the way to when it come to PC gaming, is that true?

RickyRevolver

Many of the popular 'games' are very casual games like Farmville. The way I see it, PC isn't even a gaming machine. That's like calling an iPhone a gaming system.Mr_Cumberdale

Troll.

Many of the popular 'games' are very casual games like Farmville. The way I see it, PC isn't even a gaming machine. That's like calling an iPhone a gaming system.Mr_Cumberdale

If you really wanna look back, you can make a good argument that Pc gaming has exploded in the last 5+ years as more smaller developers have come and provided many great Pc titles to suppliment the already ridicoulous amount of games from the major gaming developers.jedikevin2

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]If you really wanna look back, you can make a good argument that Pc gaming has exploded in the last 5+ years as more smaller developers have come and provided many great Pc titles to suppliment the already ridicoulous amount of games from the major gaming developers.dc337

Well, that pretty much describes the entire industry.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]If you really wanna look back, you can make a good argument that Pc gaming has exploded in the last 5+ years as more smaller developers have come and provided many great Pc titles to suppliment the already ridicoulous amount of games from the major gaming developers.Raymundo_Manuel

Well, that pretty much describes the entire industry.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="dc337"] I think you could make the argument that indy gaming has had healthy growth but the high-end has certainly gone into decline. When people say that pc gaming is dying they are really talking about the high end. I don't think that dying is an apt description, declining is more accurate.

dc337

Well, that pretty much describes the entire industry.

Huh? Need a little explanation where your going with this... Are you talking sales? Are we talking people wanting the same rehashes and are showing it because they keep buying redone franchises? Are we talking about milking? Are we talking about multiplatform?... Alot of direction in your "bunch of records" statement.

[QUOTE="dc337"][QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Well, that pretty much describes the entire industry.

jedikevin2

Huh? Need a little explanation where your going with this... Are you talking sales? Are we talking people wanting the same rehashes and are showing it because they keep buying redone franchises? Are we talking about milking? Are we talking about multiplatform?... Alot of direction in your "bunch of records" statement.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="dc337"] No it doesn't, Black OPS just broke a bunch of records. dc337

Huh? Need a little explanation where your going with this... Are you talking sales? Are we talking people wanting the same rehashes and are showing it because they keep buying redone franchises? Are we talking about milking? Are we talking about multiplatform?... Alot of direction in your "bunch of records" statement.

A bit subjective there on that one.. In this day and age, you can't really prove anything sales wise on Pc unless a developer comes out and states it. Sales and how we define "big budget" on the Pc is pretty much a grey area.

On the pc it has become rare for a big budget game to break a million

dc337

So which distribution outlet are you getting your numbers from? Steam? Direct2Drive?

OK let me shed just a lil light on this subject once again..My boys both had friends stay the night this weekend...ALL of them gamers..One friend said..."why would i ever want to play a videogame with a m/k over my controller?"...He is totally against gaming on pc...The other friend is more of a pc gamer...THEN I had a friend drop by tonight and we chilled,played some PS3..I said im thinking of getting back into some PC gaming again...and he said.."WHY?"..I said for the cheaper games, mods,maps,ect...HE said.."I just cant get into playing PC games..it just dont feel right"..

SO understand that PC gaming isnt accepted by everyone..Its never going to be. AND some people dont even consider it as good as handheld gaming or heck..games on phones..lol..SO dont act like people are missing out on the greatness that is PC gaming cause its just not for everyone.

Many of the popular 'games' are very casual games like Farmville. The way I see it, PC isn't even a gaming machine. That's like calling an iPhone a gaming system.Mr_Cumberdale

Sales. There is still a healthy market for big budget games on the consoles. On the pc it has become rare for a big budget game to break a million unless it is made by Blizzard. It is still unknown if Black OPs on pc outsold the Wii version.

dc337

What is a big budget PC game?

Does it need to break 1 million to turn a profit?

Are we talking digital only releases?

Where are you getting your sales numbers from?

Does that mean it wasn't profitable?
Because that's kind of the only thing that matters.

OK let me shed just a lil light on this subject once again..My boys both had friends stay the night this weekend...ALL of them gamers..One friend said..."why would i ever want to play a videogame with a m/k over my controller?"...He is totally against gaming on pc...The other friend is more of a pc gamer...THEN I had a friend drop by tonight and we chilled,played some PS3..I said im thinking of getting back into some PC gaming again...and he said.."WHY?"..I said for the cheaper games, mods,maps,ect...HE said.."I just cant get into playing PC games..it just dont feel right"..

SO understand that PC gaming isnt accepted by everyone..Its never going to be. AND some people dont even consider it as good as handheld gaming or heck..games on phones..lol..SO dont act like people are missing out on the greatness that is PC gaming cause its just not for everyone.

VanDammFan

What the hell are you talking about and how is that relating to anything right now.... No one is saying Pc gaming is not for everyone. No one is saying people are missing out on "greatness that is PC games". Your using the wrong thread to promote your animosity against the platform.. We all know gaming is just preference bro. This is the second time in this thread that you have just blown in venting over something not even being discussed. Lets stay on target here though.

Many of the popular 'games' are very casual games like Farmville. The way I see it, PC isn't even a gaming machine. That's like calling an iPhone a gaming system.Mr_Cumberdale

Because console companies spend millions to convince people they are great, while PC as a platform gets nil in terms of promotional funding; because it is a independent platform.

Consoles are a mainstream gaming solution, and the mainstream aren't interested in anything that isn't plastered across popular media sources like television. Which by the way, every console developer gets bonus funding towards; from the console 1st party.

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Relying on sources like this for your opinion on PC doesn't help either.

AnnoyedDragon

That was funny,

I want to make the money he makes and can say the stuff he says.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Huh? Need a little explanation where your going with this... Are you talking sales? Are we talking people wanting the same rehashes and are showing it because they keep buying redone franchises? Are we talking about milking? Are we talking about multiplatform?... Alot of direction in your "bunch of records" statement.

jedikevin2

A bit subjective there on that one.. In this day and age, you can't really prove anything sales wise on Pc unless a developer comes out and states it. Sales and how we define "big budget" on the Pc is pretty much a grey area.

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[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

OK let me shed just a lil light on this subject once again..My boys both had friends stay the night this weekend...ALL of them gamers..One friend said..."why would i ever want to play a videogame with a m/k over my controller?"...He is totally against gaming on pc...The other friend is more of a pc gamer...THEN I had a friend drop by tonight and we chilled,played some PS3..I said im thinking of getting back into some PC gaming again...and he said.."WHY?"..I said for the cheaper games, mods,maps,ect...HE said.."I just cant get into playing PC games..it just dont feel right"..

SO understand that PC gaming isnt accepted by everyone..Its never going to be. AND some people dont even consider it as good as handheld gaming or heck..games on phones..lol..SO dont act like people are missing out on the greatness that is PC gaming cause its just not for everyone.

VanDammFan

What the hell are you talking about and how is that relating to anything right now.... No one is saying Pc gaming is not for everyone. No one is saying people are missing out on "greatness that is PC games". Your using the wrong thread to promote your animosity against the platform.. We all know gaming is just preference bro. This is the second time in this thread that you have just blown in venting over something not even being discussed. Lets stay on target here though.

Um...the title of the thread is..."why do you say PC gaming is dying?" Im totally on track and you must be trollin me bro..MODS HELP! Im being attacked!!..:D

So now your saying that Pc gaming is dying because your friends say they can't get into it, its "just doesn't feel right" and that Pc gaming is not for everyone.. Are you sure you really read your statement before posting? Your statement is goes more with "Why everyone doesn't like Pc gaming" then "why do people say pc gaming is dying." I guess at the very least you have brought up more rational why folks say pc gaming is dieing though your whole argument above was demonstrating why PC gaming is not for everyone.

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[QUOTE="dc337"] Sales. There is still a healthy market for big budget games on the consoles. On the pc it has become rare for a big budget game to break a million unless it is made by Blizzard. It is still unknown if Black OPs on pc outsold the Wii version.

dc337

A bit subjective there on that one.. In this day and age, you can't really prove anything sales wise on Pc unless a developer comes out and states it. Sales and how we define "big budget" on the Pc is pretty much a grey area.

I don't really recall that (I don't own black ops or follow it). Can we get a link on it.