Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...
Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...colmusterd28
Because playing with someone in the same room stopped in 1999 as well right?
DOA4 is a great looking, and fun fighting game. Although some people think people buy it for the girls. But IDK if anyone can say it's better than another game that isn't out yet.
Mutlipayer doesnt make the whole game, it just enhances it.
i'd much rather play a game with good gameplay and no multiplayer, then a game with crappy gameplay that includes multiplayer, not that DOA 4 sucks or anything..
Mutlipayer doesnt make the whole game, it just enhances it.
i'd much rather play a game with good gameplay and no multiplayer, then a game with crappy gameplay that includes multiplayer, not that DOA 4 sucks or anything..
St_JimmyX
We're talking about a fighting game, which is part of a genre that made it's popularity by way of offering competitive multiplayer modes.
Mutlipayer doesnt make the whole game, it just enhances it.
i'd much rather play a game with good gameplay and no multiplayer, then a game with crappy gameplay that includes multiplayer, not that DOA 4 sucks or anything..
im going to say this quickly and put up my flame shield. Tekken>DOA>Soul Caliber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Virtua Fighter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any Mortal Kombat game since the PS2/GC/Xbox generation
I don't understand the whole VF5 vs DOA4 thing. There aren't many good games in the 3D fighter genre these days, so fans of the genre should enjoy both. As well as Tekken and Soul Calibur for that matter. They are all good and provide different gaming experiences. It's like a starving guy complaining because he has to eat pizza for his next meal instead of lasagna.
360 version might have online, anything confirmed yet?themyth01
Actually, there's no chance that the 360 VF5 will have online play, along with Tekken 6 for PS3. There won't be any online play for those games anytime soon, unless they somehow find a way to have the ultimate connections through PSN or XBL. VF and Tekken are based on timing and frame rate, that even with a split second of lag will screw you over. Until there's a way around it, no online.
That being said, why exactly is it gonna take 6 months just to port it to the 360? Maybe it's a technical thing or maybe extra content on the 360 version? If it's a tech thing, then I'm sure a tech junkie will enlighten me about it. :P
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Redmoonxl2
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Redmoonxl2
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games. and I'll maintain that AM2 is full of bull*hit. the problem is with their net code. many games have very tolerable lag, if any at all. I'd bet the farm that Tekken and Soul Calibur will be ONLINE in their nextGen renditions. Tell SEGA to send their programmers back to school.
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
Of course, it'd just mean dealing with possible lag.
Also, just being a pioneer in console online gaming doesn't mean they were good at it. Hell PSU doesn't work half the time.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Dreams-Visions
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games. and I'll maintain that AM2 is full of bull*hit. the problem is with their net code. many games have very tolerable lag, if any at all. I'd bet the farm that Tekken and Soul Calibur will be ONLINE in their nextGen renditions. Tell SEGA to send their programmers back to school.
Right cause you're a programmer and you've worked on Virtua Fighter. So you must know better than them, who actually have the facts if it is or not possible.
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it. just because you pioneer something doesn't mean you'll be the leading innovator forever. That should be painfully obvious to you, and you should not have needed me to tell you as much.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Redmoonxl2
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
Of course, it'd just mean dealing with possible lag.
Also, just being a pioneer in console online gaming doesn't mean they were good at it. Hell PSU doesn't work half the time. The Dreamcast was the first console that came online ready.
Most all of the Capcom fighters were online on it in Japan. And SEGA also had a lot of online games for it.
I think that if they say that VF doesn't work well online they must have a good reason. It's not like they don't make any online games, just not VF.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games. and I'll maintain that AM2 is full of bull*hit. the problem is with their net code. many games have very tolerable lag, if any at all. I'd bet the farm that Tekken and Soul Calibur will be ONLINE in their nextGen renditions. Tell SEGA to send their programmers back to school.
Right cause you're a programmer and you've worked on Virtua Fighter. So you must know better than them, who actually have the facts if it is or not possible. I'm a computer engineer. No, I haven't worked on VF. But I can tell you that if a game isn't online because of LAG CONCERNS, it's an issue of netcode or an issue of server/client side connection speeds. Latency shouldn't be as big of an issue as they make it seem. "Impossible" is bull*hit.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Dreams-Visions
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games. and I'll maintain that AM2 is full of bull*hit. the problem is with their net code. many games have very tolerable lag, if any at all. I'd bet the farm that Tekken and Soul Calibur will be ONLINE in their nextGen renditions. Tell SEGA to send their programmers back to school. Lag... is tolerable in a fighting game? Say what?
Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...colmusterd28
unlike u, I have many friends, so I will have many people to play against with
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
Of course, it'd just mean dealing with possible lag.
Also, just being a pioneer in console online gaming doesn't mean they were good at it. Hell PSU doesn't work half the time. The Dreamcast was the first console that came online ready.
Most all of the Capcom fighters were online on it in Japan. And SEGA also had a lot of online games for it.
I think that if they say that VF doesn't work well online they must have a good reason. It's not like they don't make any online games, just not VF.
And I've never played PSU.
Tsk tsk, Panzer, that's one hell of a sheep mentality to just agree with your preferred company blindly. As said, just because Sega put out online games doesn't mean they were good at it. I have enough issues with their latest online game (PSU) to drive me insane, issues that could have been addressed in beta.
My thoughts on the VF5 online issue:
A) AM2 and Sega are probably too overprotective of the VF series. Have you ever seen an instance where AM2 said that they tried online for VF5 and it didn't work? Nope, they just dismissed the notion straight up.
B) Japan is not a big online country. Since the Japanese are not big on online gaming (Outside of RPGs, of course), Sega can get away with leaving out online, especially since the majority of VF's popularity resides in Japan anyways.
Also, be glad that you've never played PSU. It's basically another example of Sega's playable abominations.
Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...colmusterd28
I agree, no excuse for no online with these new powerful consoles, its lazy developers, so meh to VF.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Redmoonxl2
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
Of course, it'd just mean dealing with possible lag.
Also, just being a pioneer in console online gaming doesn't mean they were good at it. Hell PSU doesn't work half the time. The Dreamcast was the first console that came online ready.
Most all of the Capcom fighters were online on it in Japan. And SEGA also had a lot of online games for it.
I think that if they say that VF doesn't work well online they must have a good reason. It's not like they don't make any online games, just not VF.
And I've never played PSU.
Tsk tsk, Panzer, that's one hell of a sheep mentality to just agree with your preferred company blindly. As said, just because Sega put out online games doesn't mean they were good at it. I have enough issues with their latest online game (PSU) to drive me insane, issues that could have been address in beta.
My thoughts on the VF5 online issue:
A) AM2 and Sega are probably too overprotected of the VF series. Have you ever seen an instance where AM2 said that they tried online for VF5 and it didn't work? Nope, they just dismissed the notion straight up.
B) Japan is not a big online country. Since the Japanese is not big on online gaming (Outside of RPGs, of course), Sega can get away with leaving out online, especially since the majority of VF's popularity resides in Japan anyways.
Also, be glad that you've never played PSU. It's basically another example of Sega's playable abominations.
I didn't said they were the best at online, I said they were pioneers at it, and have made a lot of online games.
That you think they suck at online is beyond the point. They've made online games regardless, why not make VF5 online? obviously they must have a valid reason.
You seem to be on the opinion that a little lag is harmless since from what I hear DoA has some lag and it's enjoyable, but the fact of the matter is that that AM2 disagrees with that thinking.
But of course the problem is that people don't care about hows, it's just easy to say that VF5 should be online by now cause they don't have to work on it, and see how it's or it's not ruined by lag.
Is online and lag really that much of an issue for them not to include it? If PC games like Battlefield and WoW can handle a bunch of players with no lag, how hard could it be for the PS3 and 360 to handle a game with 2 characters w/o any lag? :?
Is online and lag really that much of an issue for them not to include it? If PC games like Battlefield and WoW can handle a bunch of players with no lag, how hard could it be for the PS3 and 360 to handle a game with 2 characters w/o any lag? :?PikaPichu
For Tekken I can see it being an issues with the frames. I doubt you'd be able to pull off a EWGFx3 with lag spikes. If you don't know what I'm talkin about, then you don't know your Tekken.
[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...strudel420
Because playing with someone in the same room stopped in 1999 as well right?
Nope, but c'mon a fighting game with no online? are you kidding me...I thought we were breaking new ground this gen? This is like a poorly developed last generation game...Just choosing not to take advantage of online play...ugh. poor!! and you can't deny it.
Hey i know your Bashing PS3 and ya know VF5 is on 360 to so you insulted 360 to.
StarFoxCOM
Im bashing VF5 actually...Don't really care what console it comes out on...No Online for a "next gen" fighter= pathetic by anyones standards...If Team Ninja can create a game with better visuals than VF and make it online than whats the problem...?
[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Not everybody plays online.Panzer_Zwei
Doesn't mean the option shouldn't be there, especially in a genre that benefits greatly from it.
The option isn't there because it's not possible. AM2 has said many times that the slightest lag can ruin the gameplay, and that they would never jeopardize the integrity of the game.
That online works on DoA doesn't mean it works on VF. Two different games.
I still find that to be a lame excuse, in my personal opinion. You know for a fact that it's possible then?
And SEGA has been a pioneer in console online gaming. If they say it doesn't work, I don't see why question the validity of it.
Of course, it'd just mean dealing with possible lag.
Also, just being a pioneer in console online gaming doesn't mean they were good at it. Hell PSU doesn't work half the time. The Dreamcast was the first console that came online ready.
Most all of the Capcom fighters were online on it in Japan. And SEGA also had a lot of online games for it.
I think that if they say that VF doesn't work well online they must have a good reason. It's not like they don't make any online games, just not VF.
And I've never played PSU.
Tsk tsk, Panzer, that's one hell of a sheep mentality to just agree with your preferred company blindly. As said, just because Sega put out online games doesn't mean they were good at it. I have enough issues with their latest online game (PSU) to drive me insane, issues that could have been address in beta.
My thoughts on the VF5 online issue:
A) AM2 and Sega are probably too overprotected of the VF series. Have you ever seen an instance where AM2 said that they tried online for VF5 and it didn't work? Nope, they just dismissed the notion straight up.
B) Japan is not a big online country. Since the Japanese is not big on online gaming (Outside of RPGs, of course), Sega can get away with leaving out online, especially since the majority of VF's popularity resides in Japan anyways.
Also, be glad that you've never played PSU. It's basically another example of Sega's playable abominations.
I didn't said they were the best at online, I said they were pioneers at it, and have made a lot of online games.
That you think they suck at online is beyond the point. They've made online games regardless, why not make VF5 online? obviously they must have a valid reason.
You seem to be on the opinion that a little lag is harmless since from what I hear DoA has some lag and it's enjoyable, but the fact of the matter is that that AM2 disagrees with that thinking.
But of course the problem is that people don't care about hows, it's just easy to say that VF5 should be online by now cause they don't have to work on it, and see how it's or it's not ruined by lag.
They just want it done. I have to agree with Panzer on this one. VF in particular just can't be done online, at least for now. The timing and frame rate is too tight for it to even have even a micro second of lag, otherwise, you'll be screwed over. Also, has anyone even thought of the possibility that Sega has already tried to play VF online in their own "labs" and came to the conclusion that it just can't be done online for the time being?
[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...strudel420
Because playing with someone in the same room stopped in 1999 as well right?
that's a wittiest responce i've heard all day :lol:
[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]Ummm...how bout no online for VF5...what is this 1999? jeeze fighting games are pointless to play unless you, I don't know, HAVE SOMEONE TO PLAY AGAINST!!! IMO VF5 can't be better than DOA4 on that merrit alone...colmusterd28
Because playing with someone in the same room stopped in 1999 as well right?
Nope, but c'mon a fighting game with no online? are you kidding me...I thought we were breaking new ground this gen? This is like a poorly developed last generation game...Just choosing not to take advantage of online play...ugh. poor!! and you can't deny it. What most people don't seem to understand is that Virtua Fighter has never been made for a console system in mind, like DoA.
Virtua Fighter is an Arcade game ported to the PS3 and 360, if it was a concieved for this-gen console game without online, then I would agree with that statement.
I didn't said they were the best at online, I said they were pioneers at it, and have made a lot of online games.
That you think they suck at online is beyond the point. They've made online games regardless, why not make VF5 online? obviously they must have a valid reason.Panzer_Zwei
The fact that they do suck at online games is the point. They are incapable of delivering a pleasurable online experience outside of a few games (PSO) and because of this fact, I feel that they gave up on the idea of online play. Besides, VF popularity is usually exclusive to Japan. Why bother including online play in a game that enjoys a rabid fanbase in local arcades? In that respect it makes sense but in countries where arcades are basically dead, it's a letdown.
You seem to be on the opinion that a little lag is harmless since from what I hear DoA has some lag and it's enjoyable, but the fact of the matter is that that AM2 disagrees with that thinking.
But of course the problem is that people don't care about hows, it's just easy to say that VF5 should be online by now cause they don't have to work on it, and see how it's or it's not ruined by lag.
They just want it done. Panzer_Zwei
The thing is that AM2 didn't give people a good reason outside assumptions. They didn't show they they were working on an online feature and canned it because of lag. It's easy to defend Sega by eating whatever they feed people but the fact is that they didn't bother looking into online play because they didn't need to. They already have the Japanese glued to arcades machines. Anything else in addition to that is simply gravy.
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