Why does noone care about how much Pokemon rips you off?

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#1 Capitan_Kid
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They have the gall to release two versions of the exact same game but make some pokemon exclusive. Then a year later announce a complete version with both legendaries and other exclusive pokemon. Back in Gen 2 you didnt have to buy two/three games to get both legendaries. You just bought one. So why does noone care?
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#2 OreoMilkshake
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You don't have to buy all versions to get all Pokemon, just trade. Getting all of the Pokemon isn't worth the effort anyway. Just play and have fun.
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#3 FlamesOfGrey
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Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.
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#4 SuperFlakeman
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You're not supposed to purchase both versions.

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#5 SuperFlakeman
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Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.FlamesOfGrey

Pokemon in general is a conservative franchise even if B/W improved/changed it alot, but it hasn't declined in quality, while MW3 on PC is unplayable due to cheaters, the maps are mediocre, weapons are unbalanced and the SP is shorter than ever.

Pokemon is also a unique type of RPG, while there are tons of CoD clones/FPS games out there.

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#6 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.SuperFlakeman

Pokemon in general is a conservative franchise even if B/W improved/changed it alot, but it hasn't declined in quality, while MW3 on PC is unplayable due to cheaters, the maps are mediocre and the weapons unbalanced.

Pokemon is stale campaign wise and the only depth you'll get is if you're a competitive battler doing EV stat training, breeding etc... I've been playing the game since Red & Blue and it's the same thing over and over. Black & White shows Nintendo is trying to put in more effort into their story telling but it's still too childish to have a real impact. Gameplay wise the game is an endless cycle. You already know how it's going to end.
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#7 nintendoman562
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You realize there is online play so you can trade with people whenver you want and get every pokemon easily?

God, Nintendo haters are so ignorant. First the Kid Icarus genre argument the other day and now this...

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#8 SuperFlakeman
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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.FlamesOfGrey

Pokemon in general is a conservative franchise even if B/W improved/changed it alot, but it hasn't declined in quality, while MW3 on PC is unplayable due to cheaters, the maps are mediocre and the weapons unbalanced.

Pokemon is stale campaign wise and the only depth you'll get is if you're a competitive battler doing EV stat training, breeding etc... I've been playing the game since Red & Blue and it's the same thing over and over. Black & White shows Nintendo is trying to put in more effort into their story telling but it's still too childish to have a real impact. Gameplay wise the game is an endless cycle. You already know how it's going to end.

You're getting tired of the Pokemon formula -- nothing wrong with that.

Doesn't mean the sequels are "bad". The latest CoD game is just that, bad.

I thought B/W was refreshing and one of the best games of the previous year.

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#9 RyanShazam
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You DONT NEED to buy both games. Nintendo made all the Pokemon available through trade which is part of the game. I didn't realize this was a hard concept to grasp. Oh well, shows how desperate some people are to take jabs at Nintendo.
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Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.FlamesOfGrey
Gamefreak is not Nintendo
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#11 RyanShazam
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Another failed attempt at tarnishing the Pokemon and Nintendo name. Maybe some other time kid.
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#12 razgriz_101
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guess tc never used the trade function.....

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#13 Capitan_Kid
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You DONT NEED to buy both games. Nintendo made all the Pokemon available through trade which is part of the game. I didn't realize this was a hard concept to grasp. Oh well, shows how desperate some people are to take jabs at Nintendo.RyanShazam
Its not the same. It couldve easily have been in the game. Why else do you think they make, Platinum, Emerald, yellow.
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#14 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Pokemon in general is a conservative franchise even if B/W improved/changed it alot, but it hasn't declined in quality, while MW3 on PC is unplayable due to cheaters, the maps are mediocre and the weapons unbalanced.

Pokemon is stale campaign wise and the only depth you'll get is if you're a competitive battler doing EV stat training, breeding etc... I've been playing the game since Red & Blue and it's the same thing over and over. Black & White shows Nintendo is trying to put in more effort into their story telling but it's still too childish to have a real impact. Gameplay wise the game is an endless cycle. You already know how it's going to end.

You're getting tired of the Pokemon formula -- nothing wrong with that.

Doesn't mean the sequels are "bad". The latest CoD game is just that, bad.

I thought B/W was refreshing and one of the best games of the previous year.

Pokemon has had it's fair share on hacked online battles and Pokemon themselves over the years (the latter still being done in high numbers today.) just like COD has problems with it. COD is just as stale and people enjoy it as much as Pokemon even though they're going through the same thing. Nintendo needs to do something (I don't care about FPS games in general so COD can die for all I care.) but what I don't know. Pokemon fans like the simplicity and charm of the game and Nintendo isn't going to change a selling formula. I still play every main Pokemon game that comes out and have a decent time with them when I want a simplistic RPG but I already know what to expect and that's exactly what I get.
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Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them.FlamesOfGrey
Okay, if it's nostalgia as to why Nintendo franchises are still praised by critics and fans, then explain to me why these games from nostalgic series below are either heavily criticized by reviews, lambasted by fans, or perhaps both?

Sonic 06

MK vs DCU

Hell, explain to me why even Nintendo fans disregard these games despite their nostalgia for past installments in their respective series?

Metroid: Other M

Star Fox Assault

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#16 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them. Pokemon started out great but the lack of evolution is sad. They still sell so Nintendo only make minimal improvements like a high bashed series I.E. Call Of Duty.Kaze_no_Mirai
Gamefreak is not Nintendo

Gamefreak are owned by Nintendo and Nintendo own the Pokemon IP. How many times do you hear people call Pokemon a Gamefreak game? 95% of the time people refer to it as an Nintendo game.
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#17 Cherokee_Jack
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Yeah, if Mass Effect or COD put out two versions with separate exclusive content, there would be an international moral outcry. Nintendo got a pass for doing it first.

I don't really care though.

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#18 fadersdream
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I don't care because I'm not Ten years old.

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#19 BrunoBRS
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lol, TC buys all 3 versions of each game. let's point and laugh at him for being stupid :D
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#20 Shinobishyguy
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Yeah, if Mass Effect or COD put out two versions with separate exclusive content, there would be an international moral outcry. Nintendo got a pass for doing it first.

I don't really care though.

Cherokee_Jack
there's a difference, the two versions can link up with eachother and you can get the content from the other version into your game
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#21 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Because it's Nintendo and people have nostalgia blinding them.nintendoboy16

Okay, if it's nostalgia as to why Nintendo franchises are still praised by critics and fans, then explain to me why these games from nostalgic series below are either heavily criticized by reviews, lambasted by fans, or perhaps both?

Sonic 06

MK vs DCU

Hell, explain to me why even Nintendo fans disregard these games despite their nostalgia for past installments in their respective series?

Metroid: Other M

Star Fox Assault

All franchises aren't created equal with Nostalgia some people will overlook staleness or reptitiion while others won't. Pokemon isn't terrible like Sonic 06 but it is stale formula. I know I pretty much play Pokemon out of Nostalgia. The main pokemon experience from game to game is more then similiar it's the same exact thing with slight tweaks (a battle tower here, some new pokegear there).
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#22 Capitan_Kid
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Yeah, if Mass Effect or COD put out two versions with separate exclusive content, there would be an international moral outcry. Nintendo got a pass for doing it first.

I don't really care though.

Shinobishyguy
there's a difference, the two versions can link up with eachother and you can get the content from the other version into your game

Theres no need for two. It should be in one. Plus most of the global trade pokemon are hacked and the really cool ones are japanese only
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#23 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Yeah, if Mass Effect or COD put out two versions with separate exclusive content, there would be an international moral outcry. Nintendo got a pass for doing it first.

I don't really care though.

Shinobishyguy
there's a difference, the two versions can link up with eachother and you can get the content from the other version into your game

True. But I guarantee if it was the same situation but with an EA game, we would have petitions out the ass.
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]You DONT NEED to buy both games. Nintendo made all the Pokemon available through trade which is part of the game. I didn't realize this was a hard concept to grasp. Oh well, shows how desperate some people are to take jabs at Nintendo.Capitan_Kid
Its not the same. It couldve easily have been in the game. Why else do you think they make, Platinum, Emerald, yellow.

I'm sure they have two different versions to help increase sales, but the different versions helps with the multiplayer aspects as well, which I am perfectly fine with. I only buy one version of the games and get the Pokemon I don't have from friends or online sources. It adds to the thrill of Pokemon and it also adds a unique gameplay aspect to the game. I would be happy if they actually made more Pokemon exclusive to each game rather than just a handful. I find this to be the petiest thing to complain about.
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#26 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Yeah, if Mass Effect or COD put out two versions with separate exclusive content, there would be an international moral outcry. Nintendo got a pass for doing it first.

I don't really care though.

Cherokee_Jack

there's a difference, the two versions can link up with eachother and you can get the content from the other version into your game

True. But I guarantee if it was the same situation but with an EA game, we would have petitions out the ass.

Only if the exclusive content were those one time use password deals. If there were ways to trade content and weapons with other users there wouldn't be a need for such an outcry.

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#27 carlisledavid79
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You don't have to buy every game ever made, you realise that?
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#28 Cherokee_Jack
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Only if the exclusive content were those one time use password deals. If there were ways to trade content and weapons with other users there wouldn't be a need for such an outcry.Shinobishyguy

I think it's been demonstrated that the internet will cry out whether it's needed or not.

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#29 Eponique
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Just get the other Pokemon through trading lmao. TC wasting his money buying different colours and then hating.

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#30 RyanShazam
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If its done right there is no need to get upset about it. Nintendo did it right. If another company can come up with a game that had two versions I won't have a problem with it. Look at the Mega Man Battle a network games. Those have 2 different versions and both are just fine. No one complained about that either.
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No one cares because a rip off implies that you aren't getting your money's worth, when in fact you easily are with each game.

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#33 Capitan_Kid
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No one cares because a rip off implies that you aren't getting your money's worth, when in fact you easily are with each game.

_BlueDuck_
If I was getting my moneys worth Id be able to get the pokemon in the japanese only events and i wouldnt have to buy a complete edition
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#34 mario-galaxys
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Gamefreak is owned by Nintendo and Nintendo own the Pokemon IP. FlamesOfGrey
Gamefreak is a second-party developer. Nintendo actually owns a third of the Pokemon IP.
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#35 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

No one cares because a rip off implies that you aren't getting your money's worth, when in fact you easily are with each game.

Capitan_Kid
If I was getting my moneys worth Id be able to get the pokemon in the japanese only events and i wouldnt have to buy a complete edition

When I get 50+ hours of gameplay for 1 35$ game I would say I am getting my monies worth.
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All franchises aren't created equal with Nostalgia some people will overlook staleness or reptitiion while others won't. Pokemon isn't terrible like Sonic 06 but it is stale formula. I know I pretty much play Pokemon out of Nostalgia. The main pokemon experience from game to game is more then similiar it's the same exact thing with slight tweaks (a battle tower here, some new pokegear there).FlamesOfGrey
WAIT A MINUTE HERE!You call out Nintendo fans for playing and enjoying their favorite franchises out and you admit you still play one of those said franchises out of nostalgia?

Also, why do you still even BOTHER with Nintendo's stuff if you think they've gotten stale?

Besides, even if each long running franchise isn't made with the same amount of nostalgia, it's still a bad argument.

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#37 AAllxxjjnn
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The different versions exist to get kids to interact and trade with each other. Well, that how it was back when there wasn't online.
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#38 Demonjoe93
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You don't have to buy both version, you're actually supposed to trade.

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#39 immortality20
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I haven't cared about Pokemon since the originals, I never liked any of the new ones. Tried to get into Pokemon Crystal or whatever it was and just couldn't take them seriously.

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#40 meetroid8
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What are you talking about TC, people like you complain all the time.
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#41 Brown-9
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I have the feeling this isn't the first time TC has complained about the exact same thing.

"Ninty wants me to buy two copies of the same game instead of socialize to finish the completely optional collection quest! :cry: "

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#42 Chris_Williams
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thats the point of pokemon, thats the way the game was built, you and your friend (or you find friends) have different versions which have different pokemons and you trade.

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#43 dRuGGeRnaUt
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Just to clarify: When nintendo does it? = GOOD/GREAT/AMAZING When Activision/ubisoft etc do it? = The end of the world/MILKING/ripping off customers. I know you don't HAVE to buy both games. It still doesn't make sense. I don't see many "adults" running around playgrounds trading pokemon. And YES most pokemon game fans i know have bought EVERY copy that comes out. It really doesn't bother me they do this, I just wish nintendo fans wouldn't flame other companies for doing the same. PS: Again, ANYONE THAT LIKES/LOVES NINTENDO does NOT, i repeat NOT have the right to call anything "Milked", seriously people. MARIO MARIO MARIO MARIO MARIO MARIO MARIO MARIO. Sheep even call Halo milked... a franchise that has had 4 games and a spin off in 10 years lol. How many mario games/spin offs have you enjoyed in that time? oh thats right, about 85-90 lol
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#44 Devil-Itachi
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What are you talking about? I got both legendaries on my Black without purchasing another or even trading.
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#45 ispeakfact
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Because those who play Pokemon are generally in 1st grade, and don't have much concept about being ripped off.
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Of course what do you expect from nostalgic nintendo fanboys? Not even trying to be mean, but many people here have related it to COD in terms of lack of improvements and shameless recycling. While I do not like COD, i have to defend it in this case since Fanboys here are saying that Pokemon is not like COD "Because it's not bad, and COD is just bad." yes those subjective facts are enough proof. The point is both games are bad, and you guys are most likely only continuing by the game in false hope for a breakthrough. it;s a damn shame. A dame shame. But to result to false statements and claiming they are facts is just wrong. The game needs help period. do not defend the series going in the wrong direction fanboys., it's in the same league in concept as COD (just not the same genre) don't deny it, speak your mind and eventually things will improve. Bioware fans did it why can;t you guys hmmm?
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#47 NAPK1NS
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The objective of any industry is to make money. Way to go, Pokemon.
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#48 Blake135
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Cause it's Nintendo, whatever you do don't say anything bad about Nintendo or the Fans will attack you for having a opinion. Alittle double standard going on, yes the two versions are to promote sales, but I agree it feels alittle silly that they are able to withhold content and slap it on another almost exact version.
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#49 Reverse-Machete
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The objective of any industry is to make money. Way to go, Pokemon. NAPK1NS
Pokemon isn't even expanding, what money are they making> 4803 game son one system has shown they made less money for every single one than before (Except HG and SS which took almost know budget to make with straight recycling.) I have to give it to Pokemon though, they recycle so much that Captain Planet doesn't have any rings in the pokemon universe.
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#50 Kaze_no_Mirai
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Cause it's Nintendo, whatever you do don't say anything bad about Nintendo or the Fans will attack you for having a opinion. Alittle double standard going on, yes the two versions are to promote sales, but I agree it feels alittle silly that they are able to withhold content and slap it on another almost exact version.Blake135
That can be said about ANY fanbase :P