Why does Nostalgia only affect Nintendo Games?

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#1 RyanShazam
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I hear so many people say the only reason Zelda and Mario games are so popular is because of Nostalgia, but why doesnt this work for other game series?

I can say the same thing about any game series that has been around for multiple generations.

Just because I am a fan of a series doesnt mean I only like the current release because I like the older games.

Is MGS4 a great game because of Nostalgia? No.

Is The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword a great game because of Nostalgia? No.

Everyone needs to stop having their heads shoved so far up their asses and realize a game can be good without Nostalgia.

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#3 SuperFlakeman
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I'm immune to nostalgia because of my objective nature :PI love a game one day, and bash its sequel like there's no tomorrow!

Nostalgia works both ways aswell. Those who say SM64 is better than Galaxy need to wake up.

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#4 super600  Moderator
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The problem with that nostalgia arguement is that you don't know if the people playing the games have played all the past games in these franchises.They may be new consumers of these products.

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#5 RyanShazam
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The problem with that nostalgia arguement is that you don't know if the people playing the games have played all the past games in these franchises.They may be new consumers of these products.

super600

You can say that about any argument people make though. I mean, I never know if people actually play the games they are talking about.

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#6 Wiimotefan
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Yep. There are so many older gaming series that I loved in my youth that I either dont care much for, or flat out cant stand now.

Sonic, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ninja Gaiden, Phantasy Star, Castlevania, Punch Out, Mega Man, Contra, etc...

SMG, SMG2 and NSMBWii are all Mario games I really enjoyed this gen.

But guess what? :o I didn't like SM64, or Sunshine at all. Why is there this gap in my nostalgia?

I've noticed from the N64 vs. Wii discussions recently that most current Nintendo fans are with the times while its the current Nintendo haters that are high on nostalgia.

Its funny as hell. Some hater tells me that I only like SMG due to nostalgia, but then turns around and tells me SM64 is an infinitely better game! :lol:

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#7 bbkkristian
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You make a very valid point. Haters will do anything to bash Nintendo games.
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#8 dRuGGeRnaUt
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well, unfortunately, there are no consoles/franchises from when I was 5 (24 years ago) to be nostalgic about. Im sure if Master chief/kratos and company were around back then, they would have the same effect. The rest of the existing gaming market isn't old enough to get "nostalgic" about for me. The original PS and xbox launched when? - Maybe for people that are like 16 or 17 they find games nostalgic from this era.. if those same kids even know what the actual definition of nostalgia is. Doesn't mean Ninty games aren't good, they just get a "pre conceived" feeling towards them. I dont think many reviewers/fans boot up a new mario/zelda saying to themselves "oh man, they better have not ****ed this up", it's more like visiting old and familiar friends... nothing wrong with that. To say it affect review scores is another matter entirely.
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#9 dRuGGeRnaUt
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PS: it would be nice if at least ONE, just ONE person in here didn't have a nintendo related gamer pic ;), i mean, TC you have permanently tatooed yourself(assuming) with the tri-force.. I don't think you did that because of one game you played, I would have to imagine that zelda has held a place in your heart for many a year. I may be way off, but to permanently tattoo yourself with a game logo/icon shows you are at least somewhat emotionally invested in the franchise... but hey maybe you just REALLY like triangles, and the idea of a "TRIANGLE MADE OF TRIANGLES" was more than you could handle ;) just kidding. And btw, nice tatty man. - To say you don't have a long time attachment to zelda/link I think would be an understatement. Mario/zelda and company are CLASSIC and nothing can ever come close to that. They will be the "forefathers" for all games, and as such, YES I do think nostalgia plays a part. in reviews however? not so much.
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#10 Mario1331
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its the only thing they have to say on nintendo well made games.

its starting to get tedius because all franchises are getting"old" so this nostalgia should effect DMC, Halo, etc

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I said it before and I'll say it again.I say people like Uncharted because of nostalgia. People grew up watching many movies/TV series similar to uncharted, such as MacGyver and Indiana Jones, they don't want to leave it behind, so they stick with something similar, Uncharted.

It's that easy.

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PS: it would be nice if at least ONE, just ONE person in here didn't have a nintendo related gamer pic ;), i mean, TC you have permanently tatooed yourself(assuming) with the tri-force.. I don't think you did that because of one game you played, I would have to imagine that zelda has held a place in your heart for many a year. I may be way off, but to permanently tattoo yourself with a game logo/icon shows you are at least somewhat emotionally invested in the franchise... but hey maybe you just REALLY like triangles, and the idea of a "TRIANGLE MADE OF TRIANGLES" was more than you could handle ;) just kidding. And btw, nice tatty man. - To say you don't have a long time attachment to zelda/link I think would be an understatement. Mario/zelda and company are CLASSIC and nothing can ever come close to that. They will be the "forefathers" for all games, and as such, YES I do think nostalgia plays a part. in reviews however? not so much.dRuGGeRnaUt

Truth be told, this is a troll account I made and I just stuck with it. :lol:

My current platform preference goes like this.

PC>>>PS3=Wii>>>>>>>>>360.

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#13 dRuGGeRnaUt
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I'm immune to nostalgia because of my objective nature :PI love a game one day, and bash its sequel like there's no tomorrow!

Nostalgia works both ways aswell. Those who say SM64 is better than Galaxy need to wake up.

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At least for me, it wasn't a situation of "SM64" being better than "SMG". it was more, when Mario 64 came out, and christmas day all my family young and old gathered around the TV in amazement. M64 had a wow factor I dont think many games can these days. No matter how amazing SMG is, its not that same jawdropping effect. - Same happened with Mario Bros on NES when it launched, then SNES and Super Mario World, and eventually Mario64. I don't know what it would take, for me, to get that "WOW!" factor back, maybe its all been done before. But if anyone can, I would bet on nintendo too, i just wish they would try new ips or franchises more often.. same goes for xbox and ps3... well less the ps3 :) they already have done a decent job of new ips.
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#14 super600  Moderator
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PS: it would be nice if at least ONE, just ONE person in here didn't have a nintendo related gamer pic ;), i mean, TC you have permanently tatooed yourself(assuming) with the tri-force.. I don't think you did that because of one game you played, I would have to imagine that zelda has held a place in your heart for many a year. I may be way off, but to permanently tattoo yourself with a game logo/icon shows you are at least somewhat emotionally invested in the franchise... but hey maybe you just REALLY like triangles, and the idea of a "TRIANGLE MADE OF TRIANGLES" was more than you could handle ;) just kidding. And btw, nice tatty man. - To say you don't have a long time attachment to zelda/link I think would be an understatement. Mario/zelda and company are CLASSIC and nothing can ever come close to that. They will be the "forefathers" for all games, and as such, YES I do think nostalgia plays a part. in reviews however? not so much.dRuGGeRnaUt

I feel to lazy to change my avatar and I support all three consoles.

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#15 dRuGGeRnaUt
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I said it before and I'll say it again.I say people like Uncharted because of nostalgia. People grew up watching many movies/TV series similar to uncharted, such as MacGyver and Indiana Jones, they don't want to leave it behind, so they stick with something similar, Uncharted.

It's that easy.

D4W1L4H
I like your point of view. However I find it a bit of a different situation. Very, VERY interesting idea though, I would fully agree. but still "nathan drake" as a character has only been around for 5-6 years, hard to say his character franchis is nostalgic
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#16 Cherokee_Jack
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While you're pretty much right, Nintendo are the masters of pandering to nostalgia. No other company uses it to the extent that they do, and I think it absolutely affects the response to their games. That isn't to say people ONLY like the games because of nostalgia, but it's a factor.
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#17 bbkkristian
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I have played every Zelda game recently, so I have no nostalgia for it even when I hype each brand new game.

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#18 meetroid8
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Because Nintendo makes the same games over and over again. Nostalgia is the only plausible explanation.
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Because Nintendo games are kid friendly, and to all the hardcore grown up gamers thay can't handle the fact that games with child like charm can be good, so it can only be nostalgia or hype which games like the Elder Scrolls or GTA are immune to.

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#20 Wiimotefan
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Because Nintendo games are kid friendly, and to all the hardcore grown up gamers thay can't handle the fact that games with child like charm can be good, so it can only be nostalgia or hype which games like the Elder Scrolls or GTA are immune to.

Jolt_counter119

Nintendo makes games for people that haven't forgotten how to have pure simple fun. Kids just happen to fit that description. All these angsty "mature" teens will realize it when they get older.

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#21 DarkGamer007
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[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Because Nintendo games are kid friendly, and to all the hardcore grown up gamers thay can't handle the fact that games with child like charm can be good, so it can only be nostalgia or hype which games like the Elder Scrolls or GTA are immune to.

Wiimotefan

Nintendo makes games for people that haven't forgotten how to have pure simple fun. Kids just happen to fit that description. All these angsty "mature" teens will realize it when they get older.

I remember when I went through that phase :lol: So glad I got over that and now I'm rocking a 3DS and eagerly awaiting the Wii-U.

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Is the only thing haters have against Nintendo.

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#23 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Because Nintendo games are kid friendly, and to all the hardcore grown up gamers thay can't handle the fact that games with child like charm can be good, so it can only be nostalgia or hype which games like the Elder Scrolls or GTA are immune to.

DarkGamer007

Nintendo makes games for people that haven't forgotten how to have pure simple fun. Kids just happen to fit that description. All these angsty "mature" teens will realize it when they get older.

I remember when I went through that phase :lol: So glad I got over that and now I'm rocking a 3DS and eagerly awaiting the Wii-U.

Yeah, that was me when the Sega Genesis came out! :oops:

Blast processing in Sonic! Mortal Kombat has the blood code! Altered Beast! Splatterhouse! Arghhh!!!! Nintendo is for kids... Arghhh!!!

Nothing wrong with those games, but I was on the same mind trip that so many of these "hardcore mature" gamers are on these days. It really sucked lol. Glad I snapped out of that sh*t.

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#24 MirkoS77
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Do you even have to ask? I think someone that does was not around when the original NES was released. Nintendo has been around for a long time, I mean the NES was released in N.A. in 1985, 26 years ago. I was eight. If you think that nostalgia is not a factor in Nintendo games I'm sorry to say you're wrong. I and many others grew up with them and have very fond memories of some of the best games ever made. Not Playstation, not the Gamecube, not any of today's systems. Just the NES (and the SMS but to a lesser extent). Of course there's going to be more nostalgia towards games that people loved as a child. The reason you don't hear about it about Uncharted or any other series is that they simply have not had the time that Nintendo's games have had.

And I'm sick and tired of people saying that people that claim that Nintendo games are only seen as great due to it are morons. Sure, nostalgia is not the only part, maybe not even a large part, but you're lying to yourself if you think it has absolutely NO bearing on how Nintendo's games are viewed today.

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#25 bobcheeseball
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Its just a form of damage control.
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#26 Wiimotefan
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Do you even have to ask? I think someone that does was not around when the original NES was released. Nintendo has been around for a long time, I mean the NES was released in N.A. in 1985, 26 years ago. I was eight. If you think that nostalgia is not a factor in Nintendo games I'm sorry to say you're wrong. I and many others grew up with them and have very fond memories of some of the best games ever made. Not Playstation, not the Gamecube, not any of today's systems. Just the NES (and the SMS but to a lesser extent). Of course there's going to be more nostalgia towards games that people loved as a child. The reason you don't hear about it about Uncharted or any other series is that they simply have not had the time that Nintendo's games have had.

And I'm sick and tired of people saying that people that claim that Nintendo games are only seen as great due to it are morons. Sure, nostalgia is not the only part, maybe not even a large part, but you're lying to yourself if you think it has absolutely NO bearing on how Nintendo's games are viewed today.

MirkoS77

Man I'd rather not repeat myself, so if you could refer to my first post on the previous page that would be cool. Explain to me why these other series that are just as old don't carry the same weight for me.

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#27 Eponique
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Yep. There are so many older gaming series that I loved in my youth that I either dont care much for, or flat out cant stand now.

Sonic, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ninja Gaiden, Phantasy Star, Castlevania, Punch Out, Mega Man, Contra, etc...

SMG, SMG2 and NSMBWii are all Mario games I really enjoyed this gen.

But guess what? :o I didn't like SM64, or Sunshine at all. Why is there this gap in my nostalgia?

I've noticed from the N64 vs. Wii discussions recently that most current Nintendo fans are with the times while its the current Nintendo haters that are high on nostalgia.

Its funny as hell. Some hater tells me that I only like SMG due to nostalgia, but then turns around and tells me SM64 is an infinitely better game! :lol:

Wiimotefan
I hope you aren't talking about me :?
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#28 Shinobishyguy
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it plays a small part in their game's reception, but people who think that it's ONLY nostalgia are simply fooling themselves. It's the core design that makes most of nintendo's main franchises great. The nostalgia factor simply enchances that.

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#29 MirkoS77
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Man I'd rather not repeat myself, so if you could refer to my first post on the previous page that would be cool. Explain to me why these other series that are just as old don't carry the same weight for me.

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"Yep. There are so many older gaming series that I loved in my youth that I either dont care much for, or flat out cant stand now."

So you're telling me that since you can't stand these games now that you loved in the past negates your nostalgiac feelings for them? That because they're unplayable now that nostalgia evaporates? It does not just disappear because you've revisited games that by today's standards are archaic in comparison.

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#30 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Yep. There are so many older gaming series that I loved in my youth that I either dont care much for, or flat out cant stand now.

Sonic, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ninja Gaiden, Phantasy Star, Castlevania, Punch Out, Mega Man, Contra, etc...

SMG, SMG2 and NSMBWii are all Mario games I really enjoyed this gen.

But guess what? :o I didn't like SM64, or Sunshine at all. Why is there this gap in my nostalgia?

I've noticed from the N64 vs. Wii discussions recently that most current Nintendo fans are with the times while its the current Nintendo haters that are high on nostalgia.

Its funny as hell. Some hater tells me that I only like SMG due to nostalgia, but then turns around and tells me SM64 is an infinitely better game! :lol:

Eponique

I hope you aren't talking about me :?

I'm specifically thinking about a few other posters.

Sure I disagree with you HEAVILY regarding SMG/2 vs. SM64, but thats not so bad.

Its the ones that tell me that I'm the one blinded by nostalgia for enjoying current Nintendo games, but then pull a 180 and start getting nostalgic about old Nintendo titles that have been surpassed since.

There is a big difference. I find your opinion absurd, but outside of that I don't think you're a troll and I wont carry a grudge in other discussions. These other users I'm thinking of are just idiots and trolls and not worth engaging in discussion.

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#31 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Man I'd rather not repeat myself, so if you could refer to my first post on the previous page that would be cool. Explain to me why these other series that are just as old don't carry the same weight for me.

MirkoS77

"Yep. There are so many older gaming series that I loved in my youth that I either dont care much for, or flat out cant stand now."

So you're telling me that since you can't stand these games now that you loved in the past negates your nostalgiac feelings for them? That because they're unplayable now that nostalgia evaporates? It does not just disappear because you've revisited games that by today's standards are archaic in comparison.

Thats not what I'm saying at all.

Metal Gear - been around forever. I loved it back then in the 8 bit days and all the way up through MGS3. Dont like anything that came afterwards.

Final Fantasy - Another one that I've loved since the 8 bit days. Probably my favorite series of all time. Cant stand it now.

I wont go through the whole list as I'm sure you get the point. I loved these games in my youth and loved them for years, but there isnt enough nostalgia in the world to make me enjoy the newer iterations.

My point. I enjoy new Mario and Zelda games because they are still outstanding games. Nostalgia is not enough to make me stick with a series.

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Why?

Because..

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#33 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Maybe because no other games are as timeless, and brilliant leaps in gameplay as Nintendo games. But ya know, as Arbitor365 said, we are all Nintendrones who are "Nostalgia pretentious"

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#34 el3m2tigre
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I always thought nostalgia only applied to old games :o

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#35 bbkkristian
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I always thought nostalgia only applied to old games :o

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Yup, Zelda Skyward Sword is old.
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#36 Wiimotefan
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I always thought nostalgia only applied to old games :o

el3m2tigre

Nope. When I'm pulling off amazing platforming maneuvers through these gravity defying, outlandish, 3d levels in SMG2 the only thing keeping going are the memories rushing back from SMB.

True story.. bro.

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#37 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I always thought nostalgia only applied to old games :o

bbkkristian

Yup, Zelda Skyward Sword is old.

This is all I can see when I play SS. :cry:

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#38 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

I always thought nostalgia only applied to old games :o

Wiimotefan

Yup, Zelda Skyward Sword is old.

This is all I can see when I play SS. :cry:

Now plug in Wii Motion Plus :P

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#39 Wiimotefan
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[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Yup, Zelda Skyward Sword is old.bbkkristian

This is all I can see when I play SS. :cry:

Now plug in Wii Motion Plus :P

You mean this thing?

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#40 Gamingclone
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I know exactly what you mean.

I know alot of people where Skyward Sword is the first Zelda game they have ever played and they love it. No nostalgia involved... unless nostalgia is genetic :P

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#41 slvrraven9
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The problem with that nostalgia arguement is that you don't know if the people playing the games have played all the past games in these franchises.They may be new consumers of these products.

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This. [QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

The problem with that nostalgia arguement is that you don't know if the people playing the games have played all the past games in these franchises.They may be new consumers of these products.

You can say that about any argument people make though. I mean, I never know if people actually play the games they are talking about.

true although most of the time people reasoning and details in their arguements will tell whether theyve played a certain game or not.
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#42 MFDOOM1983
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Yeah, all of the sm3dl levels with call backs from past mario and nintendo games had nothing to do with nostalgia.;)

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#43 Giancar
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why is nostalgia perceived as a bad thing in these forums? yeah Nostalgia played a big part in games like MGS4, and made it awesome.
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#44 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

I said it before and I'll say it again.I say people like Uncharted because of nostalgia. People grew up watching many movies/TV series similar to uncharted, such as MacGyver and Indiana Jones, they don't want to leave it behind, so they stick with something similar, Uncharted.

It's that easy.

are you joking???
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#45 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]why is nostalgia perceived as a bad thing in these forums? yeah Nostalgia played a big part in games like MGS4, and made it awesome.

I think it when people imply that a game is good only because of nostalgia that it gets ridiculous.
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#46 D4W1L4H
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[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

I said it before and I'll say it again.I say people like Uncharted because of nostalgia. People grew up watching many movies/TV series similar to uncharted, such as MacGyver and Indiana Jones, they don't want to leave it behind, so they stick with something similar, Uncharted.

It's that easy.

slvrraven9

are you joking???

To me, that posts makes about as much sense as Skyward sword being praised for nostalgia. ;)

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Because

and that's a fact.

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#48 lordlors
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Yeah, all of the sm3dl levels with call backs from past mario and nintendo games had nothing to do with nostalgia.;)

MFDOOM1983
SM3DL is a handheld game and it's supposed to be a mix of 2d and 3d mario games so what were you expecting? Besides, those call backs from past mario games made the game more awesome because it's a tried and true formula for fun. If you want interesting and innovative levels go play SMG1&2.
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nope zelda ss got 7.5 there is no nostalgia effect there
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#50 93BlackHawk93
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]why is nostalgia perceived as a bad thing in these forums? yeah Nostalgia played a big part in games like MGS4, and made it awesome.

THIS!