Why does Square enix like sony so much?

http://www.psu.com/Square-Enix-talks-FFVII-remake;-new-PS3-project-News--a0001210-p0.php

"It's not certain if this new game is in the FFXIII series or a completely new title from Kitase, Nomura and Tabata--but PlayStation 3 owners should be very excited."

Coming from a die-hard Square-enix fanboy(soon ps3 and maybe 360 owner), i find this news perplexing.

Looking at their upcoming line-up on the ps3i used to think FFXIII being exclusive made sense seeing as FF usually sells most in japan, and the game requires an actual next gen console (wiiiii:roll:),but then i thought, surely if they just released the ps3 version in japan and gave european and US gamers ps3and 360 versions they'dsell at least 2 million more copies?

and then there's the game that'scoming out further off but isset to be probably quite as explosive; FFXIIIVersus.

If Squeenix don't announce versus as multiplat at TGS why do you think wouldbe the reason?

I thought that maybe these "exclusives" were a helping hand for sony. Imean a lot of squeenix fanboys probably own a ps2, andif they switch to360 that'd damage sonya little in PAL and definitely in US. "Why buy it on ps3 when i can get it on a cheaper system" this is me assuming Sonywon't do an actualprice cut by XIII's release. Highly unlikely :) so kind of a moot point?

All this doesn't bother me seeing as i'm getting a ps3 for XIII and tons of other games. But i can imagine for some people XIII is their sole reason for getting one and they're probably hoping it goes multiplat. Mgs also.

btw on a side note another FFXIII game that was rumoured to be in the making was thought to be an MMORPG. if this turns out to be true it'll most definitely turn out to be a PS3/360/PC game.

The Japanese call it Kiritsu a bond amongst corporations; an unspoken union, or honor, something that is severely lacking in N American. This is also part of the reasons why Sony was able to buy up so much of Hollywood which at one time was strictly an American enterprise.

Square Enix remembers when Sony helped them through finances during their Final Fantasy Spirit Within fiasco, which nearly bankrupted Square as a company. Sony invested in Square and helped distributed the movie when no one else would. This is one of the key reasons for their Kiritsu.

The Japanese call Kiritsu a bond amongst corporations.An unspoken union, or honor, something that is severely lacking in N American. This also part of the reason why Sony was able to buy up so much of Hollywood which at one time was strictly an American enterprise.

Square Enix remembers when Sony helped them through finances during their Final Fantasy Spirit Within fiasco, which nearly bankrupted Square as a company. Sony invested in Square and helped distributed the movie when no one else would. This is one of the key reasons for their Kiritsu.

pimperjones

you think this bond can live through the fact that FFXIIi is probably costing squeenix an arm and a leg?

just a question :)no sarcasm or rudeness intended

If you look at their TGS line up, most of the stuff is on DS and mobile phones. They may have jumped into bed with Sony last gen, but DS is now their main port of call. They go where the money is, simple as that.

Imo, Square Enix are not what they used to be, most of the talent from Square left along time ago, Enix are still doing ok, but Square haven't released a good game imo since FFX.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

The Japanese call Kiritsu a bond amongst corporations.An unspoken union, or honor, something that is severely lacking in N American. This also part of the reason why Sony was able to buy up so much of Hollywood which at one time was strictly an American enterprise.

Square Enix remembers when Sony helped them through finances during their Final Fantasy Spirit Within fiasco, which nearly bankrupted Square as a company. Sony invested in Square and helped distributed the movie when no one else would. This is one of the key reasons for their Kiritsu.

Korrigan777

you think this bond can live through the fact that FFXIIi is probably costing squeenix an arm and a leg?

just a question :)no sarcasm or rudeness intended

P.S I've lived and worked in Japan in the past and understand this beyond most on this site.

Two things:

1) The PS3 is capable of handling the beautifulgraphics Final Fantasyis known for (that rules out the Wii)

2) The Xbox 360 doesn't sell in Japan

The PS3 is the only system that can handle graphically superior games that will sell well in Japan (which is where the majority of their games sell best)

just to make it clear, i don't want FFXIIi or Versus to go mulitplat as Squeenix previously said they wanted to get a lot out of the ps3

the results of their experiments, will be interesting to see.

if i were a 360 owner i'd hope for a game built from the ground taking into account the specific strengths of the 360; not some port.

devs on either side of this war have said there are games that will sport features impossible for the opposing console to achieve.

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

daqua_99

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

They dont. Tis may shcok you but Square Enix is putting most of its eggs into the Nintendo Ds basket. Pay attention.mojito1988

No.

DQIX is a big game, but FFXIII and FF versus XIII are much bigger investments due to production cost.

http://www.psu.com/Square-Enix-talks-FFVII-remake;-new-PS3-project-News--a0001210-p0.php

"It's not certain if this new game is in the FFXIII series or a completely new title from Kitase, Nomura and Tabata--but PlayStation 3 owners should be very excited."

Coming from a die-hard Square-enix fanboy(soon ps3 and maybe 360 owner), i find this news perplexing.

Looking at their upcoming line-up on the ps3i used to think FFXIII being exclusive made sense seeing as FF usually sells most in japan, and the game requires an actual next gen console (wiiiii:roll:),but then i thought, surely if they just released the ps3 version in japan and gave european and US gamers ps3and 360 versions they'dsell at least 2 million more copies?

and then there's the game that'scoming out further off but isset to be probably quite as explosive; FFXIIIVersus.

If Squeenix don't announce versus as multiplat at TGS why do you think wouldbe the reason?

I thought that maybe these "exclusives" were a helping hand for sony. Imean a lot of squeenix fanboys probably own a ps2, andif they switch to360 that'd damage sonya little in PAL and definitely in US. "Why buy it on ps3 when i can get it on a cheaper system" this is me assuming Sonywon't do an actualprice cut by XIII's release. Highly unlikely :) so kind of a moot point?

All this doesn't bother me seeing as i'm getting a ps3 for XIII and tons of other games. But i can imagine for some people XIII is their sole reason for getting one and they're probably hoping it goes multiplat. Mgs also.

btw on a side note another FFXIII game that was rumoured to be in the making was thought to be an MMORPG. if this turns out to be true it'll most definitely turn out to be a PS3/360/PC game.

Korrigan777

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

stika

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

They dont. Tis may shcok you but Square Enix is putting most of its eggs into the Nintendo Ds basket. Pay attention.mojito1988

no i know and i'm well aware of that.

But if you read my post you'dknow i was mainly focusing on the console war.

You assuming they dont like Sony because of the DS games is kinda silly

They're most ambitious titles are coming out on ps3, and that's what gamers should concern themselves with

hell why not abandon Versus on ps3and make it a Wii exclusive?

in recent interviews They've reiterated wanting to use the ps3's strengths.something along the lines of, "with each generation we've always wanted to get as much out of our chosen system as possible"

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

_koolgirl_

The White Engine is actually open-platform.

That doesn't mean FFXIII will be multiplat, but they could in principle port it. But if the XIII team makes extensive use of Blu-ray, it may pose a technical hurdle.

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

stika

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

Yeah it was bad, Chrystal Chronicles was the first Final Fantasy for Nintendo since the SNES. I remember seeing Final Fantasy 7 in a magazine that was being developed for the N64, and man am I glad they went with the PS1 cause that game looked like it was made for 5 year olds.

[QUOTE="stika"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

coreygames

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

They have never had a bad history with nintendo, thats just some fanboy turning tricks again.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="stika"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

mojito1988

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

They have never had a bad history with nintendo, thats just some fanboy turning tricks again.

Yes they did have a bad history after the SNES.

Look at the release lists. There are more games comming forNintendo than for sony.mojito1988

Oh god here comes the Nintendo defense squad.

[QUOTE="mojito1988"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="stika"][QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

Ragnarok1051

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

They have never had a bad history with nintendo, thats just some fanboy turning tricks again.

Is that why Square is making more games for nintendo than any other group now?

Yes they did have a bad history after the SNES.

They had a transition with the N64 being cart based. They NEVER stopped working for nintendo on the GBA and then the cube and now Bigtime on the DS and the Wii. I would not call that a bad relationship

They had a transition with the N64 being cart based. They NEVER stopped working for nintendo on the GBA and then the cube and now Bigtime on the DS and the Wii. I would not call that a bad relationship

mojito1988

No I remember reading it, FF7 was an N64 game and they dropped it. Thats why there were no N64 games and only Chrystal Chronicles on the Cube.

[QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

fuzzysquash

The White Engine is actually open-platform.

That doesn't mean FFXIII will be multiplat, but they could in principle port it. But if the XIII team makes extensive use of Blu-ray, it may pose a technical hurdle.

Oh really?? I did not know that, I got the impression (just from people talking on here mind you) that the White Engine was an engine built for PS3 and only PS3.

In a way that is interesting, so they have an in house open-platform engine, yet they chose to buy UE3 technology? Are they having problems with their own engine? Why would they do that? (real question, not sarcasm)

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

_koolgirl_

The White Engine is actually open-platform.

That doesn't mean FFXIII will be multiplat, but they could in principle port it. But if the XIII team makes extensive use of Blu-ray, it may pose a technical hurdle.

Oh really?? I did not know that, I got the impression (just from people talking on here mind you) that the White Engine was an engine built for PS3 and only PS3.

In a way that is interesting, so they have an in house open-platform engine, yet they chose to buy UE3 technology? Are they having problems with their own engine? Why would they do that? (real question, not sarcasm)

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

Um, Im pretty sure that SE is more with Nintendo, since there making like 5 or more games for the DS, and like 3 for the Wii

Oh really?? I did not know that, I got the impression (just from people talking on here mind you) that the White Engine was an engine built for PS3 and only PS3.

In a way that is interesting, so they have an in house open-platform engine, yet they chose to buy UE3 technology? Are they having problems with their own engine? Why would they do that? (real question, not sarcasm)

_koolgirl_

I don't know, I suspect that White Engine is for their premier titles, whereas UE3 is meant for second-tier titles like The Last Remnant.

As for why Square hasn't announced any White Engine-based games for 360, only Square knows. But I'm assuming they'd like to keep their options open.

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

Ragnarok1051

Yes, but the engine is still open-platform

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

fuzzysquash

Yes, but the engine is still open-platform

I didn't say anything about it being closed platform, just what each one was being used for.

[QUOTE="_koolgirl_"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

Ragnarok1051

The White Engine is actually open-platform.

That doesn't mean FFXIII will be multiplat, but they could in principle port it. But if the XIII team makes extensive use of Blu-ray, it may pose a technical hurdle.

Oh really?? I did not know that, I got the impression (just from people talking on here mind you) that the White Engine was an engine built for PS3 and only PS3.

In a way that is interesting, so they have an in house open-platform engine, yet they chose to buy UE3 technology? Are they having problems with their own engine? Why would they do that? (real question, not sarcasm)

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

I have learned to accept FF at this point more than likely won't be Muliplatform. FF is built off an engine built specifically for PS3, I assume the sequel is as well.

However, I find it highly promising that SE bought the UE3 engine and is making games like Last Remnant multiplatform.

That fact alone shows that SE is looking at other options, not only are they making a multiplat game but they are using an outside engine to do it.

_koolgirl_

The White Engine is actually open-platform.

That doesn't mean FFXIII will be multiplat, but they could in principle port it. But if the XIII team makes extensive use of Blu-ray, it may pose a technical hurdle.

Oh really?? I did not know that, I got the impression (just from people talking on here mind you) that the White Engine was an engine built for PS3 and only PS3.

In a way that is interesting, so they have an in house open-platform engine, yet they chose to buy UE3 technology? Are they having problems with their own engine? Why would they do that? (real question, not sarcasm)

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

Idk, maybe they just wanted to use different one, get a different outcome

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

No the White Engine is used for FF13 and UE3 is being used for Last Remnant

Ragnarok1051

Yes, but the engine is still open-platform

I didn't say anything about it being closed platform, just what each one was being used for.

oh, my bad

The main reason we are seeing so many remakes of games(DQIV,V,VI,FFIII,FFIV) on the DS is because SE is trying to recoup some of the money they invested on the White engine and ps3 games.

I think the reason we havent heard of any new game announcement for the ps3 from SE is because they are waiting for more people to get the ps3 before they make more games.

I think the reason we havent heard of any new game announcement for the ps3 from SE is because they are waiting for more people to get the ps3 before they make more games.

mubarakibnumar

or maybe because TGS isn't here yet? :|

There are rumors that SE is planning to announce a new PS3 game in a few days at the show.

[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]

I think the reason we havent heard of any new game announcement for the ps3 from SE is because they are waiting for more people to get the ps3 before they make more games.

fuzzysquash

or maybe because TGS isn't here yet? :|

There are rumors that SE is planning to announce a new PS3 game in a few days at the show.

SE hasnt announced a new exclusive game for the ps3 since FF13 VS.

Honestly if developers keep on investing their bread and butter on the ps3 they will go out of business.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]

I think the reason we havent heard of any new game announcement for the ps3 from SE is because they are waiting for more people to get the ps3 before they make more games.

mubarakibnumar

or maybe because TGS isn't here yet? :|

There are rumors that SE is planning to announce a new PS3 game in a few days at the show.

SE hasnt announced a new exclusive game for the ps3 since FF13 VS.

Honestly if developers keep on investing their bread and butter on the ps3 they will go out of business.

you should work for Square-enix, obviously you know everything they're planning, and know each possible opportunity for them to offset their losses

:roll:

[QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"][QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="mubarakibnumar"]

I think the reason we havent heard of any new game announcement for the ps3 from SE is because they are waiting for more people to get the ps3 before they make more games.

Korrigan777

or maybe because TGS isn't here yet? :|

There are rumors that SE is planning to announce a new PS3 game in a few days at the show.

SE hasnt announced a new exclusive game for the ps3 since FF13 VS.

Honestly if developers keep on investing their bread and butter on the ps3 they will go out of business.

you should work for Square-enix, obviously you know everything they're planning, and know each possible opportunity for them to offset their losses

:roll:

Look its simple logic. SE cant spend much more than they gain because they are not running a voluntary business. Believe it or not but the ps3 has the worst software attach ratio of all the three next gen consoles. People are not buying enought software for their ps3's-what do you think will happen if any developer invests on a userbase that has only one game that has sold over a million units?

thier main platform at the moment is the DS

The PS3 is geting a bit of love but the wii and POSP dont seem to be getting much

Two things:

1) The PS3 is capable of handling the beautifulgraphics Final Fantasyis known for (that rules out the Wii)

2) The Xbox 360 doesn't sell in Japan

The PS3 is the only system that can handle graphically superior games that will sell well in Japan (which is where the majority of their games sell best)

Onizuka36

Graphics doesn't have anything to do with it. Do you remember that they released FF games on both PS1 and PS2?

[QUOTE="daqua_99"]

Square stays true to Sony because of the history.

Why would Square go to MS ... Square is a Japanese company and the 360 is selling like crap in the land of the rising sun.

Square won't go to Nintendo (or put their entire hopes on Nintendo) due to the history which they have (bad one might we add).

stika

i didnt know nintendo and square had a bad history

All this is in the past. If SE wants to make money then their only alternative is to fully support the DS and Wii.