why does the wii looks so horrible graphicly?

Is blowing it up the same as changing the resolution? Why not just change the output to 480P on the 360, it'd stil give better picture. I don't know why your zooming in.

Darth_DuMas

Since I don't have a 360, that wasn't an option. I did find some screenshots on gamespot that show early 360 games in 480P here.

Does this help?

They don't look like anything the Wii couldn't do. You are welcome to disagree, but I still think HD resolutions make a huge difference.

It bothers me too with the graphics downgrade, hard to play really when u have a 360 and a Ps3CleanPlayer

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

Well that doesn't really work right now either, because to output at high resolution while keeping the same graphical fidelity would require more horsepower than the Wiis GPU has, unless it too gets a scaling chip.

Either way it doesn't have a method of producing these higher resolutions, so whats the point of this. It doesn't change the argument, it just says this is what the Wii could look like. But when I go back to it, it won't.

mrfokken

Perhaps it is a good idea to read the topic and follow the thread. Topic: Why does the Wii look horible? My answer: Because it is not an HD console. You apparently agree with me so I don't know what your argument is. Thus, I can not change it.

Xbox 1 doesn't do HD, but images look cleaner because it could always do AA to some degree. But it had an amazing GPU as well.

But HD is not the answer, you don't take a piece of crap car and just put a really powerful engine in it. You have to improve other things too, crap looking games at high res still look crap, just a lot sharper as you've proved.

But Nintendo didn't even need to flinch, there were so many dirt cheap already out of date PC gpus Ati had, that they could have incorporated into the Wii for Nintendo. The R300 to R420 GPUs for example.

The true answer is, because Nintendo were really lazy. I know they did this because it was a risk to release the Wii and it just so happened it was lucrative, but it wouldn't have cost that much to have a better GPU. The only costs would have been the development tools and development software would have to change, essentially the Wii development tools haven't changed much from the GameCubes. And considering Nintendo are one of the few companies to consistently make profit, this was just corner cutting.

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

its only as powerful as the original xbox
it's what nintendo intentionaly did cause they want to focus on gameplay not graphics
yes nintendo will never beat sony or microsoft ever in terms of graphics
if it's the only thing you care about don't get a wii and don't bash it
too many threads in SW about that.....

GC4ever

"The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into many games so far for the console, the myth has been fed. But The original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the PowerPC series. Look into it yourself if you don"t believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were THREE times more powerful than Intel''s Pentium 3 series."

Nope, it is stronger than the Xbox by 3 times

As a response to the TC.....what have you been playing? Wii Sports? Games like Metroid prime 3 and Darkside chronicles look amazing. If you want a wii game with great visuals, then the developers have to work hard on it. They have to make their own graphics engine.

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

[QUOTE="mrfokken"]

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

locopatho

There is a difference between using an SD TV and running the 360 in 480P mode. As I said before, the 360 doesn't look bad on an SD TV, but that has nothing to do with my argument. Downgrading the signal to run on an SD TV is not the same thing as running the system at a lower resolution. I doubt that you played your 360 in 480P mode as it would negate the reason for having a system like the 360. Go back and play it in 480P mode, then tell us how good it looks.

Again, Resolution matters alot.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="mrfokken"]

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

Pices

Rather than just make an uninformed statement like this, go run your system in 480P mode and then contribute.

Resolution matters alot.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="mrfokken"]

If you still think the HD systems look great even in 480P mode, set yours to run in 480P and try it. Or go look at some videos of xbox360 games running in 480P mode on youtube like this is video

My point? Resolution matters alot.

There is a difference between using an SD TV and running the 360 in 480P mode. As I said before, the 360 doesn't look bad on an SD TV, but that has nothing to do with my argument. Downgrading the signal to run on an SD TV is not the same thing as running the system at a lower resolution. I doubt that you played your 360 in 480P mode as it would negate the reason for having a system like the 360. Go back and play it in 480P mode, then tell us how good it looks.

Again, Resolution matters alot.

mayb its because my 60gb ps3 is upscaling the ps2 image to HD standards.

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mayb its because my 60gb ps3 is upscaling the ps2 image to HD standards.

Fightingfan

You knew before you made a thread that the PS3 60gb model upscaled the image removing the jaggies, the PS2 had awful jagged edges even for its time (something the DC actually handled better).

No one is arguing resolution doesn't matter, we are arguing that it's just one of the many ways 360s graphics beat Wiis.locopatho

Actually, several people have argued that resolution doesn't make much difference.

[QUOTE="GC4ever"]

its only as powerful as the original xbox
it's what nintendo intentionaly did cause they want to focus on gameplay not graphics
yes nintendo will never beat sony or microsoft ever in terms of graphics
if it's the only thing you care about don't get a wii and don't bash it
too many threads in SW about that.....

Pices

"The Xbox appears to be even 4Mhz more powerful than the Wii, and with the lack of work put into many games so far for the console, the myth has been fed. But The original Xbox CPU was an Intel Pentium 3, while the "Broadway" CPU of the Wii is a furthering of the PowerPC series. Look into it yourself if you don"t believe it, but study after study has shown that PowerPC processors, Megahertz for Megahertz were THREE times more powerful than Intel''s Pentium 3 series."

Nope, it is stronger than the Xbox by 3 times

As a response to the TC.....what have you been playing? Wii Sports? Games like Metroid prime 3 and Darkside chronicles look amazing. If you want a wii game with great visuals, then the developers have to work hard on it. They have to make their own graphics engine.

I don't know why people complain about Wii graphics. It is not an HD console. Let me see, what would a 360 graphic look like in 480P? Well, take a 360 screen of Modern Warfare 2 and blow it up 225% That would bring its resolution down to that of a Wii. For all of its graphic power, the 360 wouldn't look any better at Wii type resolutions.

Beautiful isn't it.

Let's go the other direction. Take a Wii develper screen from a higher resolution, (that means Wii graphics at HD resolutions) and you get this:

The Wii can do dynamic lighting/shading, bloom lighting, and has decent texture mapping capabilities. None of those will make the Wii look like an HD console. However, if you ran the HD systems in SD resolutions, they wouldn't look much better than the Wii.

HD consoles are not God's gift to gaming. They were graphically the next step for consoles, but PCs had those resolutions way before the consoles did.

mrfokken

Your method is absolutely flawed here..... if you want to see what the image would look like in SD, downscale it to a smaller size. By upscaling and cropping you lose image fidelity.

I'll demonstrate:

720P, original image.

Downscaled and sides cropped for SD, 640x480.

And here is the method you used.....

The most correct way would obviously be to have the game natively rendered at that res and take a screen capture. However, what you did is basically propaganda. (view these images full screen to fully understand the difference)

edit: I doubt many people will look at screenshots full screen. Here is a size corrected image of 720p vs 480i.

720 left 480i right

[QUOTE="Pices"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Resolution just increases the number of pixels, it doesn't matter really. mrfokken

Rather than just make an uninformed statement like this, go run your system in 480P mode and then contribute.

Resolution matters alot.