Why does the Zelda wii graphics look so bad?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

You still haven't actually answered my original question and no one else has. You have nothing either.

Chemical_Viking

What original question? Both the TC and you have just said they look bad without saying why. This is not acceptable, and until something more detailed comes up, you are automatically wrong by mean of no support for your statement. Also, don't even think of throwing this back on me. You said it first, so the burden of proof is on you.

My original question, and our very first correspondance, was "So, Thunderdrone, which part of that looks significantly better than any GC game?" There is no burden of proof here on either side, we're not the hitchen brothers. There was a question, you threw it back to me. I ask you, what in that looks significantly better than a GC game?

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

All wii games look bad... It's old tech.i5750at4Ghz

I didn't like the graphics either. I was expecting something more in line with the shown artwork, some kind of brushed shading using shadows to create a dark tone, the way it looks now resembles SF4 a bit.

I also wonder to just how usefull the 1:1 sword attacking is. It doesn't seem to be any different from simply pressing A in previous games. Unless they're going to implement gameplay elements that would make it usefull of course (like in Dead Space).

It is however the best looking Zelda, so .. not sure what some people in this thread are smoking.

I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?Zoso-8

Why can't Zelda be left alone to do it's thing and other games do the mature thing? I like the Windwaker artstyle, but I don't go around demanding that literally every game have it.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Like yours are! We're both a couple of objective observers.

Incidentally, that Donkey Kong sig does indeed look great. I have to say I love the look of it.

Thunderdrone

Wind Waker destroys it!!!

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

To be honest, I'm thinking they might have got pretty much everything kinda wrong with this new Zelda game.

In just doesn't look quite right in any area, from the graphics to the controls, imo.

I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Like yours are! We're both a couple of objective observers.

Incidentally, that Donkey Kong sig does indeed look great. I have to say I love the look of it.

amaneuvering

Wind Waker destroys it!!!

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

Windwaker is cleaner and sharper than SS? Well of course, it has literally no textures. :| I think you missed the sarcasm as well.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] I gotta say, the more i look at these pictures, the more it looks like Zelda on the NES.....maybe Ocarina, at best.

Wind Waker destroys it!!!

789shadow

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

Windwaker is cleaner and sharper than SS? Well of course, it has literally no textures. :| I think you missed the sarcasm as well.

WW looks better imo.

Give it some nice dramatic lighting and shadows, along with the slightly more adult look, and the WW visual design destroys the new Zelda visually as far as I'm concerned.

You can be as sarcastic as you want.

I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?Zoso-8

All wii games look bad... It's old tech.i5750at4Ghz

Comments like this always annoy me.

Every single gen (except maybe the 4th) produces beautiful looking games but in hingsight, they dont look so good. That is untill the end of last gen. At the end of last gen we reached the point where no matter how far into the future we look back, certain games cannot look bad. Games like Half-Life 2, Conkers bad fur day and Wind Waker.

The whole notion of 'this game now looks bad because its last gen/old tech' needs to end. Sure you can say, X game doesnt look as good as a PS3/360 game but to just say it looks bad altogether just because of hardware (when it looks good).....is lame. A good game looks good, regardless of platform.

This isnt just directed at you but all the guys that have said this in the past.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

amaneuvering

Windwaker is cleaner and sharper than SS? Well of course, it has literally no textures. :| I think you missed the sarcasm as well.

WW looks better imo.

Give it some nice dramatic lighting and shadows, along with the slightly more adult look, and the WW visual design destroys the new Zelda visually as far as I'm concerned.

You can be as sarcastic as you want.

Except when you had to add things to the WW design, you invalidated your own opinion.

now that im thinking about it, TP wasn't a bad game after all , i actually liked it a lot, probably my favorite zelda,

however this new one is kinda ugly, it will score AA or less

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thats basically SW

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

amaneuvering

Windwaker is cleaner and sharper than SS? Well of course, it has literally no textures. :| I think you missed the sarcasm as well.

WW looks better imo.

Give it some nice dramatic lighting and shadows, along with the slightly more adult look, and the WW visual design destroys the new Zelda visually as far as I'm concerned.

You can be as sarcastic as you want.

so you want WW to look like the new zelda? i agree

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

What original question? Both the TC and you have just said they look bad without saying why. This is not acceptable, and until something more detailed comes up, you are automatically wrong by mean of no support for your statement. Also, don't even think of throwing this back on me. You said it first, so the burden of proof is on you.

789shadow

My original question, and our very first correspondance, was "So, Thunderdrone, which part of that looks significantly better than any GC game?" There is no burden of proof here on either side, we're not the hitchen brothers. There was a question, you threw it back to me. I ask you, what in that looks significantly better than a GC game?

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

My original question, and our very first correspondance, was "So, Thunderdrone, which part of that looks significantly better than any GC game?" There is no burden of proof here on either side, we're not the hitchen brothers. There was a question, you threw it back to me. I ask you, what in that looks significantly better than a GC game?

Chemical_Viking

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

Well, that has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. I'll ask you again: why does SS not look better?

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

Yeah, I like the much cleaner and sharper look of WW too.

All they needed to do was keep that look but make everything less kiddy looking and add in more shadows so it looks more atmospheric and dramatic and it would have been awesome imo.

amaneuvering

Windwaker is cleaner and sharper than SS? Well of course, it has literally no textures. :| I think you missed the sarcasm as well.

WW looks better imo.

Give it some nice dramatic lighting and shadows, along with the slightly more adult look, and the WW visual design destroys the new Zelda visually as far as I'm concerned.

You can be as sarcastic as you want.

I agree windwaker looks better too but that pic is bull. Why is the a fame per second counter on that screen? Oh yay, its on an emulator rendered at way better resolution and AA than windwaker ever ran at. But really, I like this look for the new Zelda, grown on me. And the reason Zelda does not go for that dark gritty gothic adult (this is such a childish word to anyone who uses it btw) feel is simple. Because Zelda wants to stay fresh and always chaning.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

My original question, and our very first correspondance, was "So, Thunderdrone, which part of that looks significantly better than any GC game?" There is no burden of proof here on either side, we're not the hitchen brothers. There was a question, you threw it back to me. I ask you, what in that looks significantly better than a GC game?

Chemical_Viking

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

This is non sense, why does it matter if SS looks worse than other Zelda games?

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

789shadow

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

Well, that has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. I'll ask you again: why does SS not look better?

because its the NEW zelda, everyone knows that when ever a NEW zelda comes around, people prise the old ones

It looks way too colorful, the scenario has little detail and it looks pale.Solid_Tango

The second two points are easily because of the early stage of the graphics. But too colorful? I'm sorry, what is that particular area supposed to look like?

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]I don't like the art style, why can't they ever make Zelda more mature themed?MotionNight

I have a feeling this game will look much better in just a few months.

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]It looks way too colorful, the scenario has little detail and it looks pale.789shadow

The second two points are easily because of the early stage of the graphics. But too colorful? I'm sorry, what is that particular area supposed to look like?

I agree windwaker looks better too but that pic is bull. Why is the a fame per second counter on that screen? Oh yay, its on an emulator rendered at way better resolution and AA than windwaker ever ran at. ActicEdge

I did it on purpose, the screen from SS that i used is also rendered at a higher resolution than the Wii outputs.

Didnt want to be unfair.

My personal opinion? I think SS looks alot better then WW.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]It looks way too colorful, the scenario has little detail and it looks pale.Solid_Tango

The second two points are easily because of the early stage of the graphics. But too colorful? I'm sorry, what is that particular area supposed to look like?

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"]It looks way too colorful, the scenario has little detail and it looks pale.Solid_Tango

The second two points are easily because of the early stage of the graphics. But too colorful? I'm sorry, what is that particular area supposed to look like?

No, you want them to make a more mature Zelda. Nintendo has never wanted to make a Zelda much more darker than MM or TP. And instead of demanding that Zelda do something, why don't you play other games that do the same thing?

I think it looks great actually:

lundy86_4

its not the best looking zelda game, but it works well with the limitations of the wii.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

You were taking the side of the TC, who did have the burden of proof. That burden passed on to you as well the instant you took his side.

789shadow

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

Well, that has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. I'll ask you again: why does SS not look better?

Someone elses burden of proof during a different conversation with someone who isn't you or me passes on to me? Answer my question, or just leave it. It wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.

We're not the Dimbleby Brothers discussing the finer points of politics. All this burden of proof nonsense is just a diversery tactic.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Absolute nonsense. You're making this up as you go along.

Chemical_Viking

Well, that has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. I'll ask you again: why does SS not look better?

Someone elses burden of proof during a different conversation with someone who isn't you or me passes on to me? Answer my question, or just leave it. It wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.

We're not the Dimbleby Brothers discussing the finer points of politics. All this burden of proof nonsense is just a diversery tactic.

None of this changes the fact that you have not supported your opinion once the entire thread.

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

88mphSlayer

Are you sure? I keep hearing people want a more "mature" Zelda. So...

:P

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

SpiritOfFire117

Are you sure? I keep hearing people want a more "mature" Zelda. So...

:P

Sadly, some people would think that's an improvement.

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

SpiritOfFire117

Are you sure? I keep hearing people want a more "mature" Zelda. So...

:P

well how about lets combine the two?

;)

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

789shadow

Are you sure? I keep hearing people want a more "mature" Zelda. So...

:P

Sadly, some people would think that's an improvement.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

well people wanted a darker zelda, so here ya go:

:lol:

88mphSlayer

Are you sure? I keep hearing people want a more "mature" Zelda. So...

:P

well how about lets combine the two?

;)

That'll work. :lol:

Because "Zelda isn't about graphics its about gameplay" theres your political answer :P. Quite frankly though the answer is obvious Nintendo wasn't sure which art pattern to follow because neither of the past 2 games were totally well liked so instead they went with a combo. As for the graphics being subpar...no Wii game really looks great.

[QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Well, that has nothing to do with anything we were talking about. I'll ask you again: why does SS not look better?

789shadow

Someone elses burden of proof during a different conversation with someone who isn't you or me passes on to me? Answer my question, or just leave it. It wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.

We're not the Dimbleby Brothers discussing the finer points of politics. All this burden of proof nonsense is just a diversery tactic.

None of this changes the fact that you have not supported your opinion once the entire thread.

All you've been doing is avoiding Chemical_Viking's question, AND being a hypocrite by not supporting your opinion with proof either (heck, you even did a poor job defending your position at that...)

It looks worse then the gamecube zelda

GramDubs

Hmm...SS looks similar in art to the greatest Zelda ever (ALttP). How is this bad again..? This is what Zelda should be, not brown,black and gritty. If I wanted that I'd play one of the half of dozen hyped out FPS's coming out this half year.

So TP's art style is now praised and the colorful SS is a bad style?

So is Twilight Princess underrated now?

Is the Zelda cycle starting again?

Anyways Miyamoto said that they are almost done with the game but need to improve the graphics until it's released sometime next year so I know it'll look even better. :)

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Chemical_Viking"]

Let the mods do their job then. As is stands, I'm not a fake, and I'm not impressed by the graphics either. I don't even think it looks good for a wii game. I expect they will work on it but it certainly wont be the generation defining game people were hoping for.

Chemical_Viking

Honestly? I didn't expect it would define a generation. But people have been building this game up ever since they showed an art poster last year. As ridiculous as that is, people are expecting this game to do something revolutionary, just because its zelda. I didn't think it would break the graphics mark set by HD consoles, of course not. I just expected there would be something new or special about the game. As it stands, if this didn't have the zelda name attached people wouldn't care about it at all right now. The graphics look decidedly average, particularly the backdrops, and the controls didn't work. Now, both of those things will be worked on, but don't get offended by people if they don't find this game impressive, I suspect many people who do are convincing only themselves that it is zelda and ultimately, they wont be let down.

I like the art style of this game, its colorful and fits in with the look of most of the other games in the series. Its a good compromise between the cartoon graphics of Wind Waker and the realistic look of Twilight Princess. From what I heard, Twilight Princess did not sell well in Japan and the cel-shaded Wind Waker look is more popular over there while the realistic Zelda is more popular in the West.

Its a good look that's trying to merge two distinctive styles and from what I've seen, its working so far.