Why doesn't Sony get credit for anything in SW?

all the flack to the ps3 results from one cause: Ps3 was released early so it could compete with microsoft. 

The price stems largely from its new tech with obscure components, such as those crystal diodes that bluray needs.  Bluray itself is not even introduced into the market yet.  There are basically no options or applications for it.  The game library is also rushed and small.  It seems everything about the ps3 is invested in the future, while wii and 360 are living in the present.  If I was a cow I would wait for the true release date, which seems to be christmas of this year.  By that time, bluray will have penetrated the market, the production costs will decrease and the ps3 will get some games that flex that bluray muscle a bit.  After that period, ps3 has no where to go but up. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I want games. Sony isn't delivering me games. That's why they get no credit with PS3 imo. They are doing everything but releasing good games. They have nothing that is appealing to the Japanese demographic that is why they are getting outsold so badly there.

I grew tired of PS3. I had it from February until May and didn't buy one game for it. So I sold it to my brother. But you can be damn sure I will still be buying games like MGS4 and FFXIII and playing it on my brothers system.

Blackbond

Games to a console is giving. It's like you buying a car and keep asking for gas. Woot, for an awesome car anaology!

Cars =/= consoles and I'll just leave it at that.

Man you really gotta understand why anaologies are use. Of course cars are not console, but anaologies help the writer to express his thoughts in a simple form that anyone can understand.

anaolgy - is the comparison of two unlike pairs which have the same relationship.

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

IMO. I think Sony push gaming into HD better.

shungokustasu

By not including cables? By not supporting 1080i? By making PS3 the only system to display in 1080p.........oh wait.

I vehemently disagree with this statement.

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks. Why does that even matters? It would just be 20 dollars more added to the $600 price tag you guys keep complaining about.

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period. 

Let's be honest they are off to a slow start, heck you have to look know further than the price.........Now the games argument is very subjective just like game scores (which I think are extremely ridiculous).  I wish there were more games out right now but I have enough sense to know the games will be there and about PSN it had to start somewhere I think over time it will get better people should expect it to be great right from the start. 

I think people like complaining just for the sake of complaining, because even if the PS3 had a ton good games out, a wonderful online services, a decent price etc................. People in general would still find something to complain!!

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

then why are you only complaining about sony not getting credit?

CaseyWegner

Truth Casey, Truth. T.O.B

that doesn't answer my question.

Well, I want all console to get credit where credit is due. As a Sony FanMan I must address Sony issues. After all, it's the most heaviest ridicule system on system wars. I'm bias, but not blind. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I want games. Sony isn't delivering me games. That's why they get no credit with PS3 imo. They are doing everything but releasing good games. They have nothing that is appealing to the Japanese demographic that is why they are getting outsold so badly there.

I grew tired of PS3. I had it from February until May and didn't buy one game for it. So I sold it to my brother. But you can be damn sure I will still be buying games like MGS4 and FFXIII and playing it on my brothers system.

shungokustasu

Games to a console is giving. It's like you buying a car and keep asking for gas. Woot, for an awesome car anaology!

Cars =/= consoles and I'll just leave it at that.

Man you really gotta understand why anaologies are use. Of course cars are not console, but anaologies help the writer to express his thoughts in a simple form that anyone can understand.

anaolgy - is the comparison of two unlike pairs which have the same relationship.

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one. 

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

Sony kicked everyone elses asses for over a decade, and they're bitter. Now they want revenge.

They get no credit in SW because its populated by 360 fanboys who have such a great game library that they'd rather talk about it on here than play it :D

D0013ER

Shungo, this is what I was talking about. This will no doubt stir up some anti-Sony sentiment in this very thread.

Why fight the power? Everyones mind is made up about Sony already. Love 'em or hate 'em, don't make me no nevermind. 

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

Blackbond

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?  

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

shungokustasu

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

Ouch...bad direction to take that argument.  Theroetically the same question could be asked about Blu-ray.  HD formats need fancy, honkin' TVs to get the most out of them. 

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks. 

shungokustasu

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.  

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

shungokustasu

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?  

I think he means keep the price $600 but include the HD cables to make the $600 worth it.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks. 

Kestastrophe

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.  

Of course it does, where did you get that from?

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I want games. Sony isn't delivering me games. That's why they get no credit with PS3 imo. They are doing everything but releasing good games. They have nothing that is appealing to the Japanese demographic that is why they are getting outsold so badly there.

I grew tired of PS3. I had it from February until May and didn't buy one game for it. So I sold it to my brother. But you can be damn sure I will still be buying games like MGS4 and FFXIII and playing it on my brothers system.

Blackbond

Games to a console is giving. It's like you buying a car and keep asking for gas. Woot, for an awesome car anaology!

Cars =/= consoles and I'll just leave it at that.

Man you really gotta understand why anaologies are use. Of course cars are not console, but anaologies help the writer to express his thoughts in a simple form that anyone can understand.

anaolgy - is the comparison of two unlike pairs which have the same relationship.

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one. 

car = consoles

gas = games 

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

Sony kicked everyone elses asses for over a decade, and they're bitter. Now they want revenge.

They get no credit in SW because its populated by 360 fanboys who have such a great game library that they'd rather talk about it on here than play it :D

shungokustasu

Shungo, this is what I was talking about. This will no doubt stir up some anti-Sony sentiment in this very thread.

yeah... I wish I could delete that guy comment

I was obviously saying what I said to play right into their hands. Your cause is a lost one, you don't need help from me to bring it down. The truth is Sony gets no credit because it is the least popular, both in sales and in SW. Take a poll right now, just say PS3, 360, Wii with no qualifiers or anything, it will come out 360, Wii, PS3. Add any qualifiers you want to it, it will still come out the same. Its simple math. We are the minority, expect to be treated like one.

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one.

Blackbond

Look at the relationship. My point was Games are needed on a console just as much as Gas to a Car. Why would you think Sony would make a PS3 without the intention of having no games on it? It's like selling a car without the intention of it not running on gas. You taking the other aspect and trying to fit it into the analogy that doesn't belong. I'm not picking on you, but I think you can't analyze analogies well. Just by reading the last post tells me this.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

CJL13

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

I think he means keep the price $600 but include the HD cables to make the $600 worth it.

Yes, failing to include an HDMI cable in the box was an amazingly stupid move. No arguments here. I feel for anyone that got home and had to run right back out to Best Buy for a dumb cable. Component, composite, and HDMI should all have been included. For $600 they should throw you a couple of cords worth a buck a piece. 

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"]You brings up some decent points TC. I too think that Sony is under alot of scrutiny, however I think alot of it is a result of their arrogance towards the media, its competitors, and the consumer. shungokustasu

The problem there is denial. You(as a general term) is denying the good idea Sony brought to the table just because they're arrogant of the way the present it. Wanting a good image is for the people who have image problems themselves. Their not here to impress you with a coke and a smile. They're here to give you the best for gaming.

So they can be arrogant to their customer base and that is fine by you.  Well it isn't fine to most people and on your last sentence, we are still WAITING for the OMG amazing games.  I am sure they will come, but dang the Sony Hype machine can be silly.  Sony's problems are due to their own arrogance and missteps. 

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

Ericvon71

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

Of course it does, where did you get that from?

LINK 

I am not sure if this problem was ever addressed, but this was the last that I heard. I hope that this is not the case, since my TV supports 1080i and not 720p. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

shungokustasu

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

Why pack in Blu-Ray when everyone might not have an HDTV? Why charge someone extra for something that they might not even use. Doesn't that make sense?

I guess by your logic the Wii was correct in not including HDTV because some people might not have an HDTV as well right? They could have at least put in component cables but no they didn't. Why make an HD console and not put in HD cables it just doesn't make sense. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

Kestastrophe

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

It cleary does. If you want a picture I can show you... 

Its because they figured that we wanted tehre syestem so bad, they could charge whatever they wanted for it, and we would still buy it. black_awpN1

If you truly believe that, you're way off the mark. They are already losing money on every console sold, its not like they said "here's this piece of hardware that cost us $40 to manufacture, but our supporters are so stupid they'll pay $600 for it". The cost to manufacture the PS3 is high. There's no getting around it. $600 is the lowest price they can afford to sell it for now. Although I feel they should knock $100 off the tag, and lose more money but finally move some units.  

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one.

shungokustasu

Look at the relationship. My point was Games are needed on a console just as much as Gas to a Car. Why would you think Sony would make a PS3 without the intention of having no games on it? It's like selling a car without the intention of it not running on gas. You taking the other aspect and trying to fit it into the analogy that doesn't belong. I'm not picking on you, but I think you can't analyze analogies well. Just by reading the last post tells me this.

Cars are stand alone useful they only require gas to be powered like a console requires electricity. You don't have to make additional purchases like you do with a console to benifit your intial purpose. I can buy a car and power it with gas and get 100% of its full potential from the point of purchase. I can't by a PS3 or any game console and power it with electricity and get 100% of its full potential just by doing that. I have to buy additional products. With cars you doin't have to buy additional products. 

You're whole gas = games things is incorrect. Cars need gas to run like a console needs electricty to run. Consoles need games. Cars don't need anything. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yeah Sony. Just charge the customer extra dollars after already making them shell out $600 :roll:

Bottom line the self proclaimed HD console should come with HD cables. Period.

Blackbond

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

Why pack in Blu-Ray when everyone might not have an HDTV? Why charge someone extra for something that they might not even use. Doesn't that make sense?

I guess by your logic the Wii was correct in not including HDTV because some people might not have an HDTV as well right? They could have at least put in component cables but no they didn't. Why make an HD console and not put in HD cables it just doesn't make sense.

Blu-ray is NOT just a movie-watching luxury. I don't care about it as a BD player at all, in fact. If they charge me more to have a BD player so GAMES can be BD, that is more than OK with me.  

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

Blackbond

Why pack in Blu-Ray when everyone might not have an HDTV? Why charge someone extra for something that they might not even use. Doesn't that make sense?

I guess by your logic the Wii was correct in not including HDTV because some people might not have an HDTV as well right? They could have at least put in component cables but no they didn't. Why make an HD console and not put in HD cables it just doesn't make sense.

In that sense, I guess you right. Still, you and I know blu-ray in PS3 was also a strategy to beat out HD-DVD. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

In that sense, I guess you right. Still, you and I know blu-ray in PS3 was also a strategy to beat out HD-DVD.

shungokustasu

That could also be a source of some of the crappy sentiment.  This is nothing more than pure speculation on my part, but it seems to me like Sony's #1 priority with the PS3 is winning the format war, rather than winning the console war. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one.

Blackbond

Look at the relationship. My point was Games are needed on a console just as much as Gas to a Car. Why would you think Sony would make a PS3 without the intention of having no games on it? It's like selling a car without the intention of it not running on gas. You taking the other aspect and trying to fit it into the analogy that doesn't belong. I'm not picking on you, but I think you can't analyze analogies well. Just by reading the last post tells me this.

Cars are stand alone useful they only require gas to be powered

Think about that... 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Why pack an HD cable when everyone who will buy an PS3 will not have a HDTV? Why charge a person $20 extra bucks when they don't have the TV for it. Doesn't that make sense?

shungokustasu

Why pack in Blu-Ray when everyone might not have an HDTV? Why charge someone extra for something that they might not even use. Doesn't that make sense?

I guess by your logic the Wii was correct in not including HDTV because some people might not have an HDTV as well right? They could have at least put in component cables but no they didn't. Why make an HD console and not put in HD cables it just doesn't make sense.

In that sense, I guess you right. Still, you and I know blu-ray in PS3 was also a strategy to beat out HD-DVD.

And it is a good strategy because Blu-Ray does have its benifits. But not including HDMI cables defeats the purpose of Blu-Ray completely. And why are people saying PS3 doesn't support 1080i lol 

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

shungokustasu

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

It cleary does. If you want a picture I can show you...

Then how do you explain this? 

LINK

I am not sure if this problem was ever addressed, but this was the last that I heard. I hope that this is not the case, since my TV supports 1080i and not 720p.

Kestastrophe

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Yes an analogy is useful but yours is not. A car after purchase does what it does and you get the most out of it the second you buy it. Can you say that for a game console? I don't complain about my car not having any games to play because the car doesn't play games. All my car needs is gas and it accomplishes everything it was built to do. If all you gave the PS3 was a power supply to run it would be useless. A gaming system needs seperate items to be purchased for it to give it use a car does not, hence why the car analogy FAILS and it always will FAIL. Think of a better one.

shungokustasu

Look at the relationship. My point was Games are needed on a console just as much as Gas to a Car. Why would you think Sony would make a PS3 without the intention of having no games on it? It's like selling a car without the intention of it not running on gas. You taking the other aspect and trying to fit it into the analogy that doesn't belong. I'm not picking on you, but I think you can't analyze analogies well. Just by reading the last post tells me this.

Cars are stand alone useful they only require gas to be powered

Think about that...

I'm not a mind reader so just come out and say what you mean. As long as a car is powered its 100% effective. As long as console is powered it still needs games. Unless that is you don't like playing games and you just want to fiddle around with the dashboard. The car can get full use being powered. The console cannot. Thus the car analogy is useless and incorrect. 

I'm not a mind reader so just come out and say what you mean. As long as a car is powered its 100% effective. As long as console is powered it still needs games. Unless that is you don't like playing games and you just want to fiddle around with the dashboard. The car can get full use being powered. The console cannot. Thus the car analogy is useless and incorrect.

Blackbond

Listen. The relationship was gas is the most important thing when you buy a car. without it the car is useless. Now just do the following and see if the statement is true.

replace the words from the sentence in bold.

gas = games

car = console

if the statment is true. Then the analogy is correct. If the statment is not true, than I'll find another analogy.

 Geez, another 'give us poor cows a break' thread. This comes from the fanboy faction that:

• Constantly overexaggerates 360 failure rates.
• Constantly tries to change the flop rules, they created.
• Spend more time looking for negative Wii and 360 stories and then post them in here.
• Want us to only talk about PS2 in relation to sales, yet don't want to mention anything negative about PS2.
• Troll the official Xbox  360 forums and then cite it as reliable information.
• Try to pass off ANYTHING negative about PS3 as an 'MS conspiracy.'
• Develop selective amnesia pertaining to every above point.

 If you can't take it, then don't dish it out....

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm not a mind reader so just come out and say what you mean. As long as a car is powered its 100% effective. As long as console is powered it still needs games. Unless that is you don't like playing games and you just want to fiddle around with the dashboard. The car can get full use being powered. The console cannot. Thus the car analogy is useless and incorrect.

shungokustasu

Listen. The relationship was gas is the most important thing when you buy a car. without it the car is useless. Now just do the following and see if the statement is true.

replace the words from the sentence in bold.

gas = games

car = console

if the statment is true. Then the analogy is correct. If the statment is not true, than I'll find another analogy.

• Gas =/= Games
• Gas = Electricty
• Gas is what powers a Car
• Electricty is what powers a console
• Games do not power a console
• You're analogy is incorrect 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm not a mind reader so just come out and say what you mean. As long as a car is powered its 100% effective. As long as console is powered it still needs games. Unless that is you don't like playing games and you just want to fiddle around with the dashboard. The car can get full use being powered. The console cannot. Thus the car analogy is useless and incorrect.

Blackbond

Listen. The relationship was gas is the most important thing when you buy a car. without it the car is useless. Now just do the following and see if the statement is true.

replace the words from the sentence in bold.

gas = games

car = console

if the statment is true. Then the analogy is correct. If the statment is not true, than I'll find another analogy.

• Gas =/= Games
• Gas = Electricty
• Gas is what powers a Car
• Electricty is what powers a console
• Games do not power a console
• You're analogy is incorrect

Do you want me to take this into an Economic arguement of why you are wrong too?

Hey man, I'm done arguing about this. You are the only one who doesn't understand the analogy. Should tell you alot about yourself... 

Geez, another 'give us poor cows a break' thread. This comes from the fanboy faction that:

• Constantly overexaggerates 360 failure rates.
• Constantly tries to change the flop rules, they created.
• Spend more time looking for negative Wii and 360 stories and then post them in here.
• Want us to only talk about PS2 in relation to sales, yet don't want to mention anything negative about PS2.
• Troll the official Xbox 360 forums and then cite it as reliable information.
• Try to pass off ANYTHING negative about PS3 as an 'MS conspiracy.'
• Develop selective amnesia pertaining to every above point.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out....

DXGreat1_HGL

Oh please, stop acting like some fanboy groups are better than others.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Geez, another 'give us poor cows a break' thread. This comes from the fanboy faction that:

• Constantly overexaggerates 360 failure rates.
• Constantly tries to change the flop rules, they created.
• Spend more time looking for negative Wii and 360 stories and then post them in here.
• Want us to only talk about PS2 in relation to sales, yet don't want to mention anything negative about PS2.
• Troll the official Xbox 360 forums and then cite it as reliable information.
• Try to pass off ANYTHING negative about PS3 as an 'MS conspiracy.'
• Develop selective amnesia pertaining to every above point.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out....

Doomshine

Oh please, stop acting like some fanboy groups are better than others.

None are better, but some are certainly louder... 

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Geez, another 'give us poor cows a break' thread. This comes from the fanboy faction that:

• Constantly overexaggerates 360 failure rates.
• Constantly tries to change the flop rules, they created.
• Spend more time looking for negative Wii and 360 stories and then post them in here.
• Want us to only talk about PS2 in relation to sales, yet don't want to mention anything negative about PS2.
• Troll the official Xbox 360 forums and then cite it as reliable information.
• Try to pass off ANYTHING negative about PS3 as an 'MS conspiracy.'
• Develop selective amnesia pertaining to every above point.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out....

Doomshine

Oh please, stop acting like some fanboy groups are better than others.

 All I'm saying is, the other 2 weren't as obnoxious until the cows began.

Now to play devils advocate on the issue of what credit Sony should get, I've seen plenty of time when sonyfans have tried to take credit from another platform and give it to Sony. I can't count how many times I've seen people say "if it wasn't for Sony, we'd still be playing with cartridges today". No, Sega was already implementing that technology, 1st as an add-on but you know they were already going in the direction of making that the primary media. It was 3DO that was 1st to deliver a true CD based console. Some sonyfans had insisted that Sony brought 3D to the gamers. Again, it was 3DO that came 1st with that, actually Nintendo if you want to dig back deeper to the SNES with the FX chip.

Sony had built upon on the foundation of what came before them, but what I feel they get credit for is refining the technology (3D and CD as a game media) and marketing it to the masses far more successfully than their predecessors. They did a stupendous job with the first Playstation and carried on that success to the PS2. What is today the average age of gamers being 30 can greatly be contributed to PS1/2.

Innovation comes from who ever FIRST brings something never before seen. Nintendo was at the forefront of controller evolution with shoulder buttons, rumble and the analog thumb stick, all that we saw in the PS1 controller. But again, they took that foundation and refined it. When it comes to controllers Sony does get the innovation credit for hand grips. That simple little addition added a depth of comfort for keeping a hold on our input devices.

So yes, I would have to say Sony copies and that isn't bad, (especially because they refine the innovations that later others want to follow suit with) since once an idea is out there EVERYBODY wants to implement it. I just get aggravated by the sonyfans who deny where alot of the ideas TRULY came from. I DO agree that credit should be given where it's due.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I'm not a mind reader so just come out and say what you mean. As long as a car is powered its 100% effective. As long as console is powered it still needs games. Unless that is you don't like playing games and you just want to fiddle around with the dashboard. The car can get full use being powered. The console cannot. Thus the car analogy is useless and incorrect.

shungokustasu

Listen. The relationship was gas is the most important thing when you buy a car. without it the car is useless. Now just do the following and see if the statement is true.

replace the words from the sentence in bold.

gas = games

car = console

if the statment is true. Then the analogy is correct. If the statment is not true, than I'll find another analogy.

• Gas =/= Games
• Gas = Electricty
• Gas is what powers a Car
• Electricty is what powers a console
• Games do not power a console
• You're analogy is incorrect

Do you want me to take this into an Economic arguement of why you are wrong too?

Hey man, I'm done arguing about this. You are the only one who doesn't understand the analogy. Should tell you alot about yourself...

Yeah you and your Herd disagree with logic what else is new. You can't dispute the above because Gas and Electricty are both forms of energy. Games are not a form of energy to power a console so please don't compare them. Cars don't require software and Console software doesn't have to be replenished after a certain amount of use. You could have at least created an analogy that shows that consumers are participating into something of a cause/effect and demand situations rather then comparing games to gas where as Gas is always available at high qualities every where for every car where as games are not available for every console at high consistant qualities. Oops nevermind. This just in Exxon now has an exclusive with Unleaded gas :roll:

The Economic Business model for consoles is completely different then the console market. You can keep using you're little Hot Wheels arguement all you want it still isn't going to do anything because its economically incorrec, period. Its no different then that silly food arguement.

I mean everything Sony does with PS3 it's always discredited and slander with bias talk.

Blu-ray: "It's a format that force on consumers. Sony is ripping us off"

Multi-media funtions: "I just want a gaming machine. If I wanted all the other stuff I'll buy them (optional)"

PS Network: "It's not as good as XBL. Why should I pay $600 for a lower version online service?"

RPGs: "Now that games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey coming to the 360, PS no longer have the great RPGs."

PS Home: "It's a Second life rip-off. No one cares about playing Barbie and Doll house on a console"

PS Games: "They only release rehashed games that are played out and should be retired from the Sony library."

Sony: "All they do is copy ideas from other companies. They're not innovative at all. Then, have the nerve to charge High Price for it."

It's seems no matter what Sony does, it's not good enough. I say, Sony has no choice but to become arrogant to the haters, and just worry about the people who purchase their products.

However, as much as I dislike Microsoft as a console gaming company, we give credit to them without bashing out everything.

Microsoft: Has the best shooters on a console.

Microsoft: XBL is the best online service you can get on a console at the moment.

Microsoft: Has great customer service when it comes to their faulty hardware issue. Lifetime warranty is very nice.

Just something to think about, when the next time you bash systems fanboys...

shungokustasu

I give credit to Sony for their PS1, PS2 and somewhat the PSP. So far I see no reason to give sony credit for the PS3. As you can see, I am not just some fanboy bashing the console, just an extremely dissapointed customer. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks. 

Kestastrophe

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.  

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I mean everything Sony does with PS3 it's always discredited and slander with bias talk.

Blu-ray: "It's a format that force on consumers. Sony is ripping us off"

Multi-media funtions: "I just want a gaming machine. If I wanted all the other stuff I'll buy them (optional)"

PS Network: "It's not as good as XBL. Why should I pay $600 for a lower version online service?"

RPGs: "Now that games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey coming to the 360, PS no longer have the great RPGs."

PS Home: "It's a Second life rip-off. No one cares about playing Barbie and Doll house on a console"

PS Games: "They only release rehashed games that are played out and should be retired from the Sony library."

Sony: "All they do is copy ideas from other companies. They're not innovative at all. Then, have the nerve to charge High Price for it."

It's seems no matter what Sony does, it's not good enough. I say, Sony has no choice but to become arrogant to the haters, and just worry about the people who purchase their products.

However, as much as I dislike Microsoft as a console gaming company, we give credit to them without bashing out everything.

Microsoft: Has the best shooters on a console.

Microsoft: XBL is the best online service you can get on a console at the moment.

Microsoft: Has great customer service when it comes to their faulty hardware issue. Lifetime warranty is very nice.

Just something to think about, when the next time you bash systems fanboys...

snyper1982

I give credit to Sony for their PS1, PS2 and somewhat the PSP. So far I see no reason to give sony credit for the PS3. As you can see, I am not just some fanboy bashing the console, just an extremely dissapointed customer.

Exactly. PS1 and PS2 were the best consoles of their generations. PSP has shown that a competitor can exist in Nintendo's handheld Kingdom. What has PS3 done so far? Give us a Blu-Ray player, take out Rumble, give us a drought of any unique games that can't be found on other consoles since launch? Well whoop de do.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I mean everything Sony does with PS3 it's always discredited and slander with bias talk.

Blu-ray: "It's a format that force on consumers. Sony is ripping us off"

Multi-media funtions: "I just want a gaming machine. If I wanted all the other stuff I'll buy them (optional)"

PS Network: "It's not as good as XBL. Why should I pay $600 for a lower version online service?"

RPGs: "Now that games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey coming to the 360, PS no longer have the great RPGs."

PS Home: "It's a Second life rip-off. No one cares about playing Barbie and Doll house on a console"

PS Games: "They only release rehashed games that are played out and should be retired from the Sony library."

Sony: "All they do is copy ideas from other companies. They're not innovative at all. Then, have the nerve to charge High Price for it."

It's seems no matter what Sony does, it's not good enough. I say, Sony has no choice but to become arrogant to the haters, and just worry about the people who purchase their products.

However, as much as I dislike Microsoft as a console gaming company, we give credit to them without bashing out everything.

Microsoft: Has the best shooters on a console.

Microsoft: XBL is the best online service you can get on a console at the moment.

Microsoft: Has great customer service when it comes to their faulty hardware issue. Lifetime warranty is very nice.

Just something to think about, when the next time you bash systems fanboys...

snyper1982

I give credit to Sony for their PS1, PS2 and somewhat the PSP. So far I see no reason to give sony credit for the PS3. As you can see, I am not just some fanboy bashing the console, just an extremely dissapointed customer. 

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

mmirza23

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

So you are telling me that the PS3 supports 1080i, but the games may or may not? Where is the quality assurance?  

[QUOTE="mmirza23"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

Kestastrophe

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

So you are telling me that the PS3 supports 1080i, but the games may or may not? Where is the quality assurance?  

I mean everything Sony does with PS3 it's always discredited and slander with bias talk.

Blu-ray: "It's a format that force on consumers. Sony is ripping us off"

Multi-media funtions: "I just want a gaming machine. If I wanted all the other stuff I'll buy them (optional)"

PS Network: "It's not as good as XBL. Why should I pay $600 for a lower version online service?"

RPGs: "Now that games like Blue Dragon and Lost Odessey coming to the 360, PS no longer have the great RPGs."

PS Home: "It's a Second life rip-off. No one cares about playing Barbie and Doll house on a console"

PS Games: "They only release rehashed games that are played out and should be retired from the Sony library."

Sony: "All they do is copy ideas from other companies. They're not innovative at all. Then, have the nerve to charge High Price for it."

It's seems no matter what Sony does, it's not good enough. I say, Sony has no choice but to become arrogant to the haters, and just worry about the people who purchase their products.

However, as much as I dislike Microsoft as a console gaming company, we give credit to them without bashing out everything.

Microsoft: Has the best shooters on a console.

Microsoft: XBL is the best online service you can get on a console at the moment.

Microsoft: Has great customer service when it comes to their faulty hardware issue. Lifetime warranty is very nice.

Just something to think about, when the next time you bash systems fanboys...

shungokustasu

To be fair though, I'll say this... I think I first joined GS last August I think it was. So I obviously wasn't here for the beginning and middle of last gen. But with the domination of the PS2, and the Xbox and GC having a disappointing gen. But most of all, MS with the Xbox, I can only imagine the type of bashing that the Xbox got last gen... GC not so much just because it was Nintendo, and they had respect already, while MS was just starting out.

Again, I wasn't here last gen, so I wouldn't know 100% for sure that MS got a heavy amount of bashing, but you act as if MS and Nintendo never get any bashing around here. Yeah, Sony gets more bashing than those 2 around here, but that's because the PS3 is arguably struggling right now. Sure the top notch games might change that, but until they actually do, PS3 doesn't look too good right now. Not to mention the same thing goes for Nintendo. But Nintendo isn't going to get that much bashing just because the Wii is cheap. And then of course MS and the 360 got bashed within the first year after launch because of the "lack of games", so to a certain degree, each is getting their bashing equally.

[QUOTE="mmirza23"][QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

It does support 1080i...I bought the cables for 20 bucks.

Kestastrophe

That's news to me. Last I heard, the PS3 did not support 1080i.

So you are telling me that the PS3 supports 1080i, but the games may or may not? Where is the quality assurance?

In the developer. Don't get mad at Sony because a developer didn't add 1080i. However, back in January Sony unfolded a kit already inside the PS3 to all the developers on how to upscale there games in 1080p. So, more and more future games will be full 1080.