Why don't console MP games let you pick the map and mode you want to play?

Why don't more MP games on consoles simply let you pick what map and what mode you want to play online?

COD4 and 5 (and presumably Modern Warfare 2) only let you pick the mode while the maps are just random (with the option to vote to skip a map) - why can't you just select the map you want to play on?

Uncarted 2 for some reason only lets you pick groupings of game types (e.g. "All competitive modes") - why can't you just pick "Plunder" mode for example?

SOCOM: Confrontation doesn't let you pick maps.

etc. etc.

This is really annoying - anyone know why this is?

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

3 games? Thats it?

How about Rainbow Six: Vegas, Killzone 2 andFar Cry 2? And every single one of these games let you choose the game mode genius, even if the map isn't free choice.

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

Cicatraz_ESP

This.

How about Gears 2 it lets you choose both and who you want to play with.

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

Cicatraz_ESP

I hate matchmaking, its even more annoying when I get put when the same people, on the same map, playing the same game type, two games in a row.

3 games? Thats it?

How about Rainbow Six: Vegas, Killzone 2 andFar Cry 2? And every single one of these games let you choose the game mode genius, even if the map isn't free choice.

Basically, the devs don't want what happened to SSBB online to happen to their game. Arena selection in SSBB takes place through popular vote, which leads to a player seeing nothing but Final Destination.

Basically, the devs don't want what happened to SSBB online to happen to their game. Arena selection in SSBB takes place through popular vote, which leads to a player seeing nothing but Final Destination.

789shadow

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Basically, the devs don't want what happened to SSBB online to happen to their game. Arena selection in SSBB takes place through popular vote, which leads to a player seeing nothing but Final Destination.

AdamPA1006

It's not fair to the people who don't want to play it though.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

Basically, the devs don't want what happened to SSBB online to happen to their game. Arena selection in SSBB takes place through popular vote, which leads to a player seeing nothing but Final Destination.

789shadow

It's not fair to the people who don't want to play it though.

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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] But if thats what you want to play why should you be stopped from playing it?AdamPA1006

It's not fair to the people who don't want to play it though.

I didn't say dedicated servers weren't great. However, often, even with dedicated servers, one map dominates play because the community has decided it's the best and soon are good only at that map.

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

Cicatraz_ESP

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="789shadow"]

It's not fair to the people who don't want to play it though.

789shadow

I didn't say dedicated servers weren't great. However, often, even with dedicated servers, one map dominates play because the community has decided it's the best and soon are good only at that map.

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So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

Okknull

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]So people who want to play all the maps can play all the maps. All the games that use matchmaking also have private matches for the people who want to choose their maps and game types. Matchmaking > Server ListSpruceCaboose

Also agreed. I can't stand server list. Match making also lets me see things I may not of ever bothered with otherwise. Do I play gametypes or maps that I don't like as much from time to time? Sure do. But I'd rather experience everything. If I want to pick and choose I'll do a custom game. Ranked should always be matchmaking and random weapons and maps so people can't stack in thier favor as easily.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]So people who want to play all the maps can play all the maps. All the games that use matchmaking also have private matches for the people who want to choose their maps and game types. Matchmaking > Server ListMetalscarz

Also agreed. I can't stand server list. Match making also lets me see things I may not of ever bothered with otherwise. Do I play gametypes or maps that I don't like as much from time to time? Sure do. But I'd rather experience everything. If I want to pick and choose I'll do a custom game. Ranked should always be matchmaking and random weapons and maps so people can't stack in thier favor as easily.

I hate hate hate hate hate (i cant stress enough how much i hate) matchmaking. Thats why i still play Gears 1 and DOA4 on a regular basis and theres a HUGE vareity in the types of games people create. If not, make your own and people will join. This literally detroyed Gears 2 for me. Thats why i've found myself playing PS3 games online lately as they usually let you create your own games.

I really do hate it, If uncharted 2 had a similar set up to gears 1 then theres no reason for me to ever play it again. I know alot of games give you an option to make your own games but those are 99% of the time private options. Give us public options too.

On another note, i also dont like respawning deathmatch. Much prefer the set-up in CS, Gears and PDZ.

I hate hate hate hate hate (i cant stress enough how much i hate) matchmaking. Thats why i still play Gears 1 and DOA4 on a regular basis and theres a HUGE vareity in the types of games people create. If not, make your own and people will join. This literally detroyed Gears 2 for me. Thats why i've found myself playing PS3 games online lately as they usually let you create your own games.

I really do hate it, If uncharted 2 had a similar set up to gears 1 then theres no reason for me to ever play it again. I know alot of games give you an option to make your own games but those are 99% of the time private options. Give us public options too.

On another note, i also dont like respawning deathmatch. Much prefer the set-up in CS, Gears and PDZ.

shutdown_202

Wow not only do I think server list is atrocious and bad for ranked matches, I can't stand no-respawn games either. Vis a Vi I guess.

They do its called custom game............:|

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Agreed.II-FBIsniper-II

Also agreed. I can't stand server list. Match making also lets me see things I may not of ever bothered with otherwise. Do I play gametypes or maps that I don't like as much from time to time? Sure do. But I'd rather experience everything. If I want to pick and choose I'll do a custom game. Ranked should always be matchmaking and random weapons and maps so people can't stack in thier favor as easily.

see!!! this is why pc gamers are pissed we lost dedicated servers in mw2. when console kids start wanting it you know they're going against the grain of the industry.paullywog

I hate match-making in some games as well but when it's done well it's far better than going through a list of servers looking for one that has the settings you want.

It's just nice being able to quickly jump into a game and play.

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

Cicatraz_ESP

..or because it's one of the only good map in the game? Halo 3 would be 100 times better if you could pick the maps you play, instead of having to play terrible maps like Last Resort or Valhalla or High Ground. If it was up to me I'd play Citadel and Heretic all day, the only two good maps in the game.

By the way, OP obviously hasn't played much this gen. Gears of War let you pick map and mode, as have numerous games.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

Also agreed. I can't stand server list. Match making also lets me see things I may not of ever bothered with otherwise. Do I play gametypes or maps that I don't like as much from time to time? Sure do. But I'd rather experience everything. If I want to pick and choose I'll do a custom game. Ranked should always be matchmaking and random weapons and maps so people can't stack in thier favor as easily.

SpruceCaboose

Yeah, its pretty bad sportsmanship and its happened to me several times on R6V way back when.

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So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

ThePRAssassin

..or because it's one of the only good map in the game? Halo 3 would be 100 times better if you could pick the maps you play, instead of having to play terrible maps like Last Resort or Valhalla or High Ground. If it was up to me I'd play Citadel and Heretic all day, the only two good maps in the game.

By the way, OP obviously hasn't played much this gen. Gears of War let you pick map and mode, as have numerous games.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Metalscarz"]Also agreed. I can't stand server list. Match making also lets me see things I may not of ever bothered with otherwise. Do I play gametypes or maps that I don't like as much from time to time? Sure do. But I'd rather experience everything. If I want to pick and choose I'll do a custom game. Ranked should always be matchmaking and random weapons and maps so people can't stack in thier favor as easily.SpruceCaboose

one of the many advantages of gaming on a pc.

matchmaking in a MP game is wierd and forgien to me a server browser if much better and lets me have the choice of what map,game type, how many players, and ping server i want to.

Only game matchmakingi found match making works better for is L4d due to the nature of the game altough a hybrid is needed when you start introducing custom maps. for every other MP game give me a server browser any day.

i'm guessing the large majority of consoles gamer simply don't know any better as the saying goes ignorance is bliss?

people who say they prefer matchmaking to a server list are wrong. it may be your opinion, but im going as far as to say your opinion is wrong, simple as that.

you dont have to play one map with a server list. many servers have multiple options, if you want to play one map, you can play one map. if you want to play a rotation server that rotates to some maps(or all maps) then join that server.

when was having more options a bad thing?

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[QUOTE="Cicatraz_ESP"]

So that you experience all the levels and not just the one that the host want's to play over and over because it's the only one they are good at?

II-FBIsniper-II

..or because it's one of the only good map in the game? Halo 3 would be 100 times better if you could pick the maps you play, instead of having to play terrible maps like Last Resort or Valhalla or High Ground. If it was up to me I'd play Citadel and Heretic all day, the only two good maps in the game.

By the way, OP obviously hasn't played much this gen. Gears of War let you pick map and mode, as have numerous games.

Valhalla - It's alright, I like it but it's annoying getting it in every playlist I play.

Last Resort and High Ground - You have a 50 so you should know this. Whoever spawns on beach for both maps are at a disadvantage. Very rarely have I won a game spawning on the beach or someone has beaten me spawning on the beach. (On this account I'm only a 30 in Lone Wolves but on my last two accounts I was a 50 in numerous playlists)

Eh, Heretic and Citadel aren't the only two good maps, I worded that wrong. Narrows is okay, would be better if spawn killing wasn't so incredibly easy. Oddball Guardian (TS Guardian sucks because at high levels it becomes stalemates, with teams waiting every 2 minutes or so for the next camo or sniper) is good, Pit is decent.

In Team Throwback and Team Slayer you always get the same maps, which aren't even that great. Foundry is so incredibly easy to dominate on. Once you have them spawning either A or B, Luke is owing you another steak dinner. It's real difficult to stop any team (maybe at level 20 or less, thats about it) that has back control. Valhalla is just a borefest in a 4v4. High Ground sucks, if you spawn beach you might as well quit unless the other team is bad. I have nothing against asymmetrical maps, however the ones in Halo 3 are really unbalanced and the first minute of the game dictates who is going to win.

[QUOTE="paullywog"]see!!! this is why pc gamers are pissed we lost dedicated servers in mw2. when console kids start wanting it you know they're going against the grain of the industry.SpruceCaboose

for the most part, when i play games online, yes i see many many more kids then when i play PC games online, any game, any time of day...on xbox 360 at least (cant speak for ps3)

How about Gears 2 it lets you choose both and who you want to play with.

T-Aldous

people who say they prefer matchmaking to a server list are wrong. it may be your opinion, but im going as far as to say your opinion is wrong, simple as that.

you dont have to play one map with a server list. many servers have multiple options, if you want to play one map, you can play one map. if you want to play a rotation server that rotates to some maps(or all maps) then join that server.

when was having more options a bad thing?

Noverech

Yeah I too am not a fan of the whole Matchmaking system that seems to be showing up more and more in console games. I'd be much happier with the traditional Server List setup.

Good news everyone! I have discovered a way for both parties can be happy. A game with Matchmaking...and a server list for custom games!II-FBIsniper-II

Exactly. That would be perfect. Matchmaking for ranked games and Server List for unranked games. Its too bad though that developers seem to totally forget about Server Lists once they choose to incorporate a Matchmaking system and leave us with lame Private matches which are just fail IMO.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"] Good news everyone! I have discovered a way for both parties can be happy. A game with Matchmaking...and a server list for custom games!CAlNlAC

[QUOTE="CAlNlAC"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"] Good news everyone! I have discovered a way for both parties can be happy. A game with Matchmaking...and a server list for custom games!II-FBIsniper-II

Yeah I bought Halo 3 expecting there to be a Server List for custom games but once I found out it wasn't there I quickly got bored with it after I beat the singleplayer. Only time I play it anymore is if I got some people who come over for splitscreen action.

Because they're a bunch of garbage that you shouldn't play. You should simply play on PC where you get to choose the map, ping, game type, and player count.Brownesque

Or I can play what I want, on my PC or console. I can use matchmaking if I want, or I can read through lines and lines of nonsense until I find what I want. Then I can download the custom MP3 for the announcer. Then the game will start and the ****ing map will change anyway and I'll have to download stuff all over again. I'm using hyperbole to make a point of course.

I really prefer PC as a platform for pure performance, but every post I ever see you make makes me think you may be having an unnatural attraction to your PC.

Matchmaking is more streamlined and lets you experience the entire multiplayer suite with suitable opponents when implemented correctly. It is MUCH better then cherry picking game types / people for ranked matches.

Server lists let you fine tune your experience to your liking.

Games should offer both.

If one has to go I say goodbye server lists.

You say otherwise. Yay for opinions.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one over the other.

There is something wrong with coming off like an elitist, or snob or know it all though. Go give your rig a kiss goodnight for me. :P :roll: :|