I think its mainly down to the fact Sony have lost touch with there fan base. The games they are releasing are not selling becuase thats not what PS3 owners want to play.
I WATN DEMONS SOULS!
Why dont PS3 exclusives sell well?
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Because there are barely any of them worth buying. I feel bad for the people that paid 60 dollars for Uncharted or Valkyria Chronicles. I got deals on them. LittleBigPlanet was one of the best purchases I've ever made, so I had no problem paying 60 dollars for that masterpiece. I got Metal Gear Solid 4 for 50 dollars because it was six months old, and I suppose it wasn't a bad purchase, except for the fact that I put less than 15 hours in to it (counting Metal Gear Online).
ha! i could say that for the whole of the wii's library. i cant believe shovelware like wii fit and even to a lesser extent SSBB are selling millions.
At least all the big name exclusives can't be finished in an afternoon. Super Paper Mario's main quest is about 22 hours, plus there's bonus levels. Super Mario Galaxy is 30-40 hours for all the stars. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn is about 40 hours, and it can be longer on the hardest difficulty. Super Smash Brothers Brawl varies depending on how much you enjoy the core gameplay. Twilight Princess is about 50 hours, plus there are extra side-quests. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is around 20 hours. Hell, even No More Heroes is 12 hours long, which is longer than a good amount of PS3 exclusives. You could say that quality>quanity, but I would much rather take only an hour of Super Mario Galaxy over the entirety of Uncharted, which isn't much more than nine hours. i'd take 10 mins of Uncharted over the entirety of any wii game. besides, on your first playthough, you cant finish inFAMOUS or MGS4 in an afternoon. there just doesnt seem to be any soul in any wii games apart from twilight princess and to a lesser extent SMG. they all just seem shallow with no real depth.
I say advertising, a month before halo 3 came out, everywhere you saw advertisements, tv, billboards, etc.. If killzone 2 had the same advertising scheme I'm sure it would of sold alot more copies than it has. Halo 3 isn't that much better than killzone 2, but the sales don't show that.RequimforaDreamPretty much this IMO, a recent example is inFamous, to this day i've yet to see a single TV advert for the game YET i've seen loads of [Prototype] adverts all over the place. It's prett much the same for every really good PS3 game (and the console itself), nothing ever gets advertised and as such the sales suffer.
I'd say because we want more variety of games. FPS are getting old now, racing games are ok, games with a 5 hour single player with no multi is not worth 60 and other reasons. Maybe Sony needs to go back to what worked for the ps2. More variety on RPG's, Action, FPS,Racing, etc. Not everyone wants Killzone 2, Resisance 1 + 2, Haze, MGS4, Motorstorm. Where are the RPGs? Where are the different action games or other games like LBP? Beyond FPS,TPS and Racing the ps3 doesn't offer much in exclusives. Also lack of advertisement, Sony is pretty horrible with advertisement.
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]At least all the big name exclusives can't be finished in an afternoon. Super Paper Mario's main quest is about 22 hours, plus there's bonus levels. Super Mario Galaxy is 30-40 hours for all the stars. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn is about 40 hours, and it can be longer on the hardest difficulty. Super Smash Brothers Brawl varies depending on how much you enjoy the core gameplay. Twilight Princess is about 50 hours, plus there are extra side-quests. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is around 20 hours. Hell, even No More Heroes is 12 hours long, which is longer than a good amount of PS3 exclusives. You could say that quality>quanity, but I would much rather take only an hour of Super Mario Galaxy over the entirety of Uncharted, which isn't much more than nine hours. i'd take 10 mins of Uncharted over the entirety of any wii game. besides, on your first playthough, you cant finish inFAMOUS or MGS4 in an afternoon. there just doesnt seem to be any soul in any wii games apart from twilight princess and to a lesser extent SMG. they all just seem shallow with no real depth.Well they're not. Super Smash Bros. has more depth than Uncharted.ha! i could say that for the whole of the wii's library. i cant believe shovelware like wii fit and even to a lesser extent SSBB are selling millions.
idontbeliveit
i'd take 10 mins of Uncharted over the entirety of any wii game. besides, on your first playthough, you cant finish inFAMOUS or MGS4 in an afternoon. there just doesnt seem to be any soul in any wii games apart from twilight princess and to a lesser extent SMG. they all just seem shallow with no real depth.Well they're not. Super Smash Bros. has more depth than Uncharted. hmm, i forgot about SSBB. i'll say it has depth and leave it as that.[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"] At least all the big name exclusives can't be finished in an afternoon. Super Paper Mario's main quest is about 22 hours, plus there's bonus levels. Super Mario Galaxy is 30-40 hours for all the stars. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn is about 40 hours, and it can be longer on the hardest difficulty. Super Smash Brothers Brawl varies depending on how much you enjoy the core gameplay. Twilight Princess is about 50 hours, plus there are extra side-quests. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is around 20 hours. Hell, even No More Heroes is 12 hours long, which is longer than a good amount of PS3 exclusives. You could say that quality>quanity, but I would much rather take only an hour of Super Mario Galaxy over the entirety of Uncharted, which isn't much more than nine hours.2-10-08
Maybe not on SW, but in the real world most of PS3 owners use their PS3 to buy blu-ray movies, they do not consider it like a gaming console.DonMarkito
ya right..
only because ps3 games are not overhyped like halo must mean ps3 games dont sell
sony can have ''50'' games selling 3 mill
and microsoft can have ''2'' games selling 8 mill
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before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
SolidTy
Have you actually done research into Wii and 360's game sales Vs. their INSTALL Base?
The PS3 has the smallest install base out of the three companies, and therefore get less OVERALL Sales than the competition. New IP's take time to get going. What many people do, is they see 1-2 million sales for PS3, and compare that to the other consoles higher sales, and go OH NOES!
Better yet, the most POPULAR thing to do is post ONLY NA SALES, and limit the time frame on the PS3 game, like a few days, or a month, and exclaim, how can this be!!!
The thing is there are surprises in PS3 sales, a few multiplat games have actually sold BETTER ON PS3 than 360! WHAT? How can that be?
Plenty of PS3 games have sold well, but not every game is going to be a phenom.
Stop falling for misinformation in SW, the PS3 has had many threads about this over the last 2 years, and the last few hours, I've seen this type of thread about 6 times. PS3 Game Sales! Oh Noes!
There is something to discuss, but as I've said multiple times before, some PS3 users are Blu-Ray users. CNET rated the PS3 as THE TOP Blu-RAY player on the market, and people buy it all the time at places like Ultimate Electronics, Fry's, Best Buy, etc.
Maybe not on SW, but in the real world most of PS3 owners use their PS3 to buy blu-ray movies, they do not consider it like a gaming console.DonMarkito
Like I said before most owners of PS3 bought it for RPG , Adventure and platform games but Sony isnt giving them any games like that , PS3 owners doasnt want FPS and Shooter games if they want that genre they can get 360 for a cheaper price and better games.
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
CajunShooter
Have you actually done research into Wii and 360's game sales Vs. their INSTALL Base?
The PS3 has the smallest install base out of the three companies, and therefore get less OVERALL Sales than the competition. New IP's take time to get going. What many people do, is they see 1-2 million sales for PS3, and compare that to the other consoles higher sales, and go OH NOES!
Better yet, the most POPULAR thing to do is post ONLY NA SALES, and limit the time frame on the PS3 game, like a few days, or a month, and exclaim, how can this be!!!
The thing is there are surprises in PS3 sales, a few multiplat games have actually sold BETTER ON PS3 than 360! WHAT? How can that be?
Plenty of PS3 games have sold well, but not every game is going to be a phenom.
Stop falling for misinformation in SW, the PS3 has had many threads about this over the last 2 years, and the last few hours, I've seen this type of thread about 6 times. PS3 Game Sales! Oh Noes!
There is something to discuss, but as I've said multiple times before, some PS3 users are Blu-Ray users. CNET rated the PS3 as THE TOP Blu-RAY player on the market, and people buy it all the time at places like Ultimate Electronics, Fry's, Best Buy, etc.
if i remember EA, ubisoft said they made more money on ps3 vs xbox360 in 2008
Do we have an answer yet?
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
CajunShooter
Have you actually done research into Wii and 360's game sales Vs. their INSTALL Base?
The PS3 has the smallest install base out of the three companies, and therefore get less OVERALL Sales than the competition. New IP's take time to get going. What many people do, is they see 1-2 million sales for PS3, and compare that to the other consoles higher sales, and go OH NOES!
Better yet, the most POPULAR thing to do is post ONLY NA SALES, and limit the time frame on the PS3 game, like a few days, or a month, and exclaim, how can this be!!!
The thing is there are surprises in PS3 sales, a few multiplat games have actually sold BETTER ON PS3 than 360! WHAT? How can that be?
Plenty of PS3 games have sold well, but not every game is going to be a phenom.
Stop falling for misinformation in SW, the PS3 has had many threads about this over the last 2 years, and the last few hours, I've seen this type of thread about 6 times. PS3 Game Sales! Oh Noes!
There is something to discuss, but as I've said multiple times before, some PS3 users are Blu-Ray users. CNET rated the PS3 as THE TOP Blu-RAY player on the market, and people buy it all the time at places like Ultimate Electronics, Fry's, Best Buy, etc.
Thanks man! I was wondering if my post was even seen. You are a smart man, my friend. :)
Oh noes, Walmart is outselling Target! Ahhhh!Target is the Doomed.
There are several reasons why PS3 exclusives don't sell well.
- Sony has done a poor job of releasing their exclusives at optimum times so that they can excell. For example, they released LBP, an new innovative IP, with lots of hype, during the holiday shopping season of 2008. You would think this is a good thing, but if you really think about it, it was stupid at best. People only have soo much money to spend, and the chances that people were gonna pass up MW2, or Gears 2, or Fallout 3, etc. etc. for a new unproven IP, in an unpopular genre, were slim to none.
- Lack of compelling character in their games. Drake? The Killzone 2 guy (I can't even think of his name)? The Resistance guy?Their exclusives lack personality IMHO. Kratos is the only Sony character that I believe draws attention. As does Master Chief for MS and Mario/Link for NiN.
- MS stealing their exclusives. People in this forum make fun of MS when they take a former Sony exclusive and make it multi-plat, but they don't realise how devastating it is to Sony. Most, if not all, of the PS2's best selling games, last gen were non-Sony IPs. Metal Gear, GTA, DMC, Tekken, FFX (in no particular order). I said this last gen...Sony doesn't own anything that makes their system stand out from the others.
Great post. In fact there are some Multiplats that have sold equally as well or better on PS3 than on the 360. Since PS3 has a lower install base the attach rate is actually higher on PS3[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]
[QUOTE="SolidTy"]
Have you actually done research into Wii and 360's game sales Vs. their INSTALL Base?
The PS3 has the smallest install base out of the three companies, and therefore get less OVERALL Sales than the competition. New IP's take time to get going. What many people do, is they see 1-2 million sales for PS3, and compare that to the other consoles higher sales, and go OH NOES!
Better yet, the most POPULAR thing to do is post ONLY NA SALES, and limit the time frame on the PS3 game, like a few days, or a month, and exclaim, how can this be!!!
The thing is there are surprises in PS3 sales, a few multiplat games have actually sold BETTER ON PS3 than 360! WHAT? How can that be?
Plenty of PS3 games have sold well, but not every game is going to be a phenom.
Stop falling for misinformation in SW, the PS3 has had many threads about this over the last 2 years, and the last few hours, I've seen this type of thread about 6 times. PS3 Game Sales! Oh Noes!
There is something to discuss, but as I've said multiple times before, some PS3 users are Blu-Ray users. CNET rated the PS3 as THE TOP Blu-RAY player on the market, and people buy it all the time at places like Ultimate Electronics, Fry's, Best Buy, etc.
nyctota
if i remember EA, ubisoft said they made more money on ps3 vs xbox360 in 2008
Yes, I remember that. Too bad SW posters read what they want to read...why?
Justification. It makes them feel better they didn't buy that "Hunk o'Junk" PS3!
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[QUOTE="CajunShooter"] Great post. In fact there are some Multiplats that have sold equally as well or better on PS3 than on the 360. Since PS3 has a lower install base the attach rate is actually higher on PS3
SolidTy
if i remember EA, ubisoft said they made more money on ps3 vs xbox360 in 2008
Yes, I remember that. Too bad SW posters read what they want to read...why?
Justification. It makes them feel better they didn't buy that "Hunk o'Junk" PS3!
Wasn't there another company other than EA and Ubi, too?
because they aren't actually good games they ride on the sony name solely.
[QUOTE="tylergamereview"]They aren't selling well because no one is buying them. Too busing watching blu-ray movies.Malta_1980
so you're stalking 21 million people and check how they are utilising their PS3's ? cause thats the only way to know or else one has to deduct you're just another hater/fanboy who's only good in posting sarcastic nonsense/comments..
But you are right, PS3 owners have the luxury of playing great games and enjoying Blu-ray movies at the same time ;)
There might be a better way to say what he said, but i think he may be on to something. I'm willing to bet that 20% of the people who have a PS3 don't play games. Its not an insult so don't take it that way. Go over to a video audio forum like avs and read some of the threads. There are alot of audio/videophiles who have the PS3, but dont play games.And maybe that explains why Gears1 and Halo sold so many copies with about a 10m userbase, but the PS3 is having problems selling that many with more than twice that. I understand that Halo sells really well, so i don't use it for the base of my argument, but how about the fact that the 360 has more than twice as many 1 million sellers.
before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
slvrraven9
Very simple answer mate.
Just to correct you, any game that sells over 500.000 units is more then enough to make sequel so games as you stated that reach Million, Two or beyond is quite an accomplishment.
The reason why some exclusives don't sell in large amount of millions is because of variety.
PlayStation owners back from original PS days were always given large library of different game genres to chose from, PS3 is no different. Though established franchises such as Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy and many others always sell in great numbers.
Current new I.P. on PS3 sell very well, as the established base of PS gamers have different tastes that's where you see each game in average of Million sales, some more, some less.
PS3 Exclusives don't sell bad, they sell in steady rate. PlayStation was always primary JRPG's console and I'm pretty sure you will see great sales once quality JRPG's start arriving.
In particular keep an eye on upcoming Demon's Soul which already broke over half a million in Japan, White Knight Chronicles, Final Fantasy XIII and VS XIII are all bound to sell exceptionally well on PS3.
PlayStation gamers are diverse, they don't stick to one genre (other then JRPG's) and another factor is Sony seems to be trying to release games that are different, unique and innovative.
Any company has a certain amount of risk trying new products but it's the amount of different choices that are appealing to the crowd. It's easy to stick to true and tried formula and go ahead and sell in millions, however trying new things is always welcome, otherwise gaming itself would be such a boring hobby. ;)
can you name exclusive that didnt sell? LBP didnt sell at first but last time I check (on March) it sold 2million. KZ2 sold slowy but it had more than 1million back in May. What exclusive floped in sales?RTUUMM1Million is not good for Killzone. Remember Gears1 sold 4 Million on an 8Million install base. COD4 sold 4 Million on the PS3 also. Killzone should have sold 2.5M in N/A IMO.
PS3 exclusives and heck, PS3 games in general don't sell well relative to the user base. They pull in decent numbers worldwide because Europe saves its ass every time. They underperform in Japan and NA. Why? There are lots of reasons or possibilies. The PS3 has thesmallest userbase granted but at similar points in the consoles life spans the Wii and 360 were selling significantly more software. At the release of Gears of War the 360 had a smaller user base than the PS3 has now but yet it sold significantly more than a handful of PS3 exclusives. The release of SMG in 2007 brought in far more copies than any PS3 exclusive. We could use the whole "Anything Mario sells" line but I more adverse to saying, it is nearing the best 3D mario sales hitting about 7+ million. The game is selling because the user base wanted it. In comparison, the best selling PS3 game if I'm correct is GTA4 with about 5 million in sales. Is this bad, hell no its actually a fantasic number so no problems there. The best exclusive is MGS4 with about 4-5 million, which again is a solid number so no complaints.
Then we hit the other exclusives. Motorstorm 3 million units. It was bundledwith the system (after it hit a million granted) which is most likely the reason for the high numbers. LBP is nearing 2.5 million, which is respectable but in comparison to what the other consoles can do with similar level games on the same userbase its not great. Uncharted was 2 million however itgets the benefit of coming out on a weaker user base so it will escape criticism evenn if it really is in the same posisition as LBP. Ratchet is the same as the other two. What's the problem. The software sales for exclusives should be going up and not down. As of right now, they are either flat lining (KZ2, MLB the show 09) or seemingly selling less (infamous). The user base has grwn to the point as to aallow for big time sales. A look at the other consoles at the same respective user base means there really is no excuse or blame on the smaller amount of users. The other systems have proven to sell software on lesser user bases.
Then there is advertising. To put it simply, Sony advertising is garbage and that doesn't look to be changing. The comercials provide no information on wha the game they are selling is even about, KZ2's and LBP's ads were crap. infamous was better granted. Another factor is price. The price of the system is directly correlated with the amount of sales it garners atleast for this gen. Wii costs the least amount of money, best software sales (the software is also cheaper as well). 360 is second. PS3 is third. The high price is a deterentfor people to buy games. Something like KZ2 is hurt by this because its big thing is online multiplayer. Smaller base means less users. There are probably people who would have picked upKZ2if the PS3 was cheaper just because the game looked attractive. With the PS3's high price, its going to destroy the chance of any gamesselling systems and moving more software.
Are there other issues? Yeah there are tons. The PS3 doesn't yet have that game that can convince people to buy it at that price. None of the exclusives are system sellers. And yes people, being a system seller impacts sales rather significantly. The Wii and 360 hae this software, the PS3 not so much. That is what is hurting these games sales as well. They don't have the swing to make people pick up the system and with the same relative userbase buying games. They will eventually be worn out. I'm not even sure why user base is a valid excuse though since all things considered, its really no ones fault except Sony's but so be it. That is some of my analysis.
You should have picked something else than Target. They have been having a lot of problems have of late.Thanks man! I was wondering if my post was even seen. You are a smart man, my friend. :)
Oh noes, Walmart is outselling Target! Ahhhh!Target is the Doomed.
SolidTy
You should have picked something else than Target. They have been having a lot of problems have of late.[QUOTE="SolidTy"]
Thanks man! I was wondering if my post was even seen. You are a smart man, my friend. :)
Oh noes, Walmart is outselling Target! Ahhhh!Target is the Doomed.
HarlockJC
Hey man...my buddy works there! :(
I thought about a different metaphor, but I was too tired. God dang economy. :)
You should have picked something else than Target. They have been having a lot of problems have of late.[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]
[QUOTE="SolidTy"]
Thanks man! I was wondering if my post was even seen. You are a smart man, my friend. :)
Oh noes, Walmart is outselling Target! Ahhhh!Target is the Doomed.
SolidTy
Hey man...my buddy works there! :(
I thought about a different metaphor, but I was too tired. God dang economy. :)
Just trying to give you a hard timewhy do people care for sales??...i will never get this
Incredibly bad marketing.
because PS3 owners cant afford them after spending so much money on 360/PC multiplats ;)
Awesome post man.PS3 exclusives and heck, PS3 games in general don't sell well relative to the user base. They pull in decent numbers worldwide because Europe saves its ass every time. They underperform in Japan and NA. Why? There are lots of reasons or possibilies. The PS3 has thesmallest userbase granted but at similar points in the consoles life spans the Wii and 360 were selling significantly more software. At the release of Gears of War the 360 had a smaller user base than the PS3 has now but yet it sold significantly more than a handful of PS3 exclusives. The release of SMG in 2007 brought in far more copies than any PS3 exclusive. We could use the whole "Anything Mario sells" line but I more adverse to saying, it is nearing the best 3D mario sales hitting about 7+ million. The game is selling because the user base wanted it. In comparison, the best selling PS3 game if I'm correct is GTA4 with about 5 million in sales. Is this bad, hell no its actually a fantasic number so no problems there. The best exclusive is MGS4 with about 4-5 million, which again is a solid number so no complaints.
Then we hit the other exclusives. Motorstorm 3 million units. It was bundledwith the system (after it hit a million granted) which is most likely the reason for the high numbers. LBP is nearing 2.5 million, which is respectable but in comparison to what the other consoles can do with similar level games on the same userbase its not great. Uncharted was 2 million however itgets the benefit of coming out on a weaker user base so it will escape criticism evenn if it really is in the same posisition as LBP. Ratchet is the same as the other two. What's the problem. The software sales for exclusives should be going up and not down. As of right now, they are either flat lining (KZ2, MLB the show 09) or seemingly selling less (infamous). The user base has grwn to the point as to aallow for big time sales. A look at the other consoles at the same respective user base means there really is no excuse or blame on the smaller amount of users. The other systems have proven to sell software on lesser user bases.
Then there is advertising. To put it simply, Sony advertising is garbage and that doesn't look to be changing. The comercials provide no information on wha the game they are selling is even about, KZ2's and LBP's ads were crap. infamous was better granted. Another factor is price. The price of the system is directly correlated with the amount of sales it garners atleast for this gen. Wii costs the least amount of money, best software sales (the software is also cheaper as well). 360 is second. PS3 is third. The high price is a deterentfor people to buy games. Something like KZ2 is hurt by this because its big thing is online multiplayer. Smaller base means less users. There are probably people who would have picked upKZ2if the PS3 was cheaper just because the game looked attractive. With the PS3's high price, its going to destroy the chance of any gamesselling systems and moving more software.
Are there other issues? Yeah there are tons. The PS3 doesn't yet have that game that can convince people to buy it at that price. None of the exclusives are system sellers. And yes people, being a system seller impacts sales rather significantly. The Wii and 360 hae this software, the PS3 not so much. That is what is hurting these games sales as well. They don't have the swing to make people pick up the system and with the same relative userbase buying games. They will eventually be worn out. I'm not even sure why user base is a valid excuse though since all things considered, its really no ones fault except Sony's but so be it. That is some of my analysis.
ActicEdge
I say advertising, a month before halo 3 came out, everywhere you saw advertisements, tv, billboards, etc.. If killzone 2 had the same advertising scheme I'm sure it would of sold alot more copies than it has. Halo 3 isn't that much better than killzone 2, but the sales don't show that. RequimforaDreamI agree with this guy, its advertising. Killzone 2 wasnt advertised at all! I mean for Halo 3 There were signs in every store everywhere even frikin grocery stores had halo 3 advertisemnts. This helped the public find out about the game so it sold many more copies than KZ2. Same with every other exclusive for PS3 cept for Infamous, that had advertising, but at the wrong places.
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before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
It's because the PS3 was manily sold as blu-ray movie player. That's the true one and only reason. Those that bought it for games, play games on it an denjoy it. Those that bought it for movies watch movies on it and enjoy it, ... but if sales suck, support soon drops.that's BS the playstation brand is known for videogames for 2 gens not blue ray to say it's sold as a blue ray player is down right ignorant.
Well it's the truth, so deal with it. Sony puches the bluray features of this console over the gaming portion of it, during its launch. High prices caused only hardcore's to buy it, and word spread about its capability to play bluray movies, and being the cheapest one on the market, it WAS sold as a bluray player to many people. Just because it's known for gaming for 2 generations does not make it an automatic seller for games... thinking THAT is just plain ignorant. You used to be able to walk into Future Shop or Best Buy and ask to buy a bluray player and the reps would recommend a PS3 because it was the cheapest and best of the players available... tell me, how does that sell it for its gaming feature?[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]
why do people care for sales??...i will never get this
sales = more gamesIs it that hard to understand why people would care about sales?
Yes except peole don't care about the more games part. Pretty much all of those games have sequels coming out soon or in the pipeline so one would assume that these debates would end. But they don't, so tell me what do these people want? If Sony is happy, and the devs are happy, why are we humoring fanboy's complaints about exclusives' sales? Pretty much all of Sony's exclusives have sold well and all sold well past 1 million. Not every game gets halo games, not even on the 360. Nuts and bolts sold poorly and most Rare games sell poor, as well as most of the 360s JRPG exclusives. At the end of the day we don't have exact numbers so dwelling on one regions sales, NPD is silly.[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
Sokol4ever
Very simple answer mate.
Just to correct you, any game that sells over 500.000 units is more then enough to make sequel so games as you stated that reach Million, Two or beyond is quite an accomplishment.
The reason why some exclusives don't sell in large amount of millions is because of variety.
PlayStation owners back from original PS days were always given large library of different game genres to chose from, PS3 is no different. Though established franchises such as Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy and many others always sell in great numbers.
Current new I.P. on PS3 sell very well, as the established base of PS gamers have different tastes that's where you see each game in average of Million sales, some more, some less.
PS3 Exclusives don't sell bad, they sell in steady rate. PlayStation was always primary JRPG's console and I'm pretty sure you will see great sales once quality JRPG's start arriving.
In particular keep an eye on upcoming Demon's Soul which already broke over half a million in Japan, White Knight Chronicles, Final Fantasy XIII and VS XIII are all bound to sell exceptionally well on PS3.
PlayStation gamers are diverse, they don't stick to one genre (other then JRPG's) and another factor is Sony seems to be trying to release games that are different, unique and innovative.
Any company has a certain amount of risk trying new products but it's the amount of different choices that are appealing to the crowd. It's easy to stick to true and tried formula and go ahead and sell in millions, however trying new things is always welcome, otherwise gaming itself would be such a boring hobby. ;)
100% agree Sony should shut up and bring what their true fanbase wants.
[QUOTE="RequimforaDream"]I say advertising, a month before halo 3 came out, everywhere you saw advertisements, tv, billboards, etc.. If killzone 2 had the same advertising scheme I'm sure it would of sold alot more copies than it has. Halo 3 isn't that much better than killzone 2, but the sales don't show that. Cheesehead9099I agree with this guy, its advertising. Killzone 2 wasnt advertised at all! I mean for Halo 3 There were signs in every store everywhere even frikin grocery stores had halo 3 advertisemnts. This helped the public find out about the game so it sold many more copies than KZ2. Same with every other exclusive for PS3 cept for Infamous, that had advertising, but at the wrong places. To put this into perspective, Halo 3 had over $40million for advertising (over $10million dedicated for TV adverts), KZ2 on the other hand had around $2/3 million total on everything (not even sure if i ever saw a single TV advert), that's an amazing difference and just shows how shoddy Sony is at marketing at the moment.
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]
before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
Kashiwaba
Very simple answer mate.
Just to correct you, any game that sells over 500.000 units is more then enough to make sequel so games as you stated that reach Million, Two or beyond is quite an accomplishment.
The reason why some exclusives don't sell in large amount of millions is because of variety.
PlayStation owners back from original PS days were always given large library of different game genres to chose from, PS3 is no different. Though established franchises such as Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy and many others always sell in great numbers.
Current new I.P. on PS3 sell very well, as the established base of PS gamers have different tastes that's where you see each game in average of Million sales, some more, some less.
PS3 Exclusives don't sell bad, they sell in steady rate. PlayStation was always primary JRPG's console and I'm pretty sure you will see great sales once quality JRPG's start arriving.
In particular keep an eye on upcoming Demon's Soul which already broke over half a million in Japan, White Knight Chronicles, Final Fantasy XIII and VS XIII are all bound to sell exceptionally well on PS3.
PlayStation gamers are diverse, they don't stick to one genre (other then JRPG's) and another factor is Sony seems to be trying to release games that are different, unique and innovative.
Any company has a certain amount of risk trying new products but it's the amount of different choices that are appealing to the crowd. It's easy to stick to true and tried formula and go ahead and sell in millions, however trying new things is always welcome, otherwise gaming itself would be such a boring hobby. ;)
100% agree Sony should shut up and bring what their true fanbase wants.
Arghh, that analysis has so many generalizations. Instead of picking at those generalizations though, I;m just going to point out what is false. Demon Souls isnot at half a million in Japan, its at maybe 110k. That is a ridiculously false number. That would make it the 4 best selling non nintendo game in Japan, which is ridiculous to say the least. WKC is out in Japan and sold about 350k, good numbers. Also, the JRPGs believe it or not, are only really relevant in Japan, the rest of the world not so much.
[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]
[QUOTE="Sokol4ever"]
Very simple answer mate.
Just to correct you, any game that sells over 500.000 units is more then enough to make sequel so games as you stated that reach Million, Two or beyond is quite an accomplishment.
The reason why some exclusives don't sell in large amount of millions is because of variety.
PlayStation owners back from original PS days were always given large library of different game genres to chose from, PS3 is no different. Though established franchises such as Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy and many others always sell in great numbers.
Current new I.P. on PS3 sell very well, as the established base of PS gamers have different tastes that's where you see each game in average of Million sales, some more, some less.
PS3 Exclusives don't sell bad, they sell in steady rate. PlayStation was always primary JRPG's console and I'm pretty sure you will see great sales once quality JRPG's start arriving.
In particular keep an eye on upcoming Demon's Soul which already broke over half a million in Japan, White Knight Chronicles, Final Fantasy XIII and VS XIII are all bound to sell exceptionally well on PS3.
PlayStation gamers are diverse, they don't stick to one genre (other then JRPG's) and another factor is Sony seems to be trying to release games that are different, unique and innovative.
Any company has a certain amount of risk trying new products but it's the amount of different choices that are appealing to the crowd. It's easy to stick to true and tried formula and go ahead and sell in millions, however trying new things is always welcome, otherwise gaming itself would be such a boring hobby. ;)
100% agree Sony should shut up and bring what their true fanbase wants.
Arghh, that analysis has so many generalizations. Instead of picking at those generalizations though, I;m just going to point out what is false. Demon Souls isnot at half a million in Japan, its at maybe 110k. That is a ridiculously false number. That would make it the 4 best selling non nintendo game in Japan, which is ridiculous to say the least. WKC is out in Japan and sold about 350k, good numbers. Also, the JRPGs believe it or not, are only really relevant in Japan, the rest of the world not so much.
Except FF series. Thats a global powerhouse.so MGS4 and infamous sold bad?before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
slvrraven9
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]so MGS4 and infamous sold bad?before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
StealthKnife
infamous probably isn't the best example since from all accounts, its not setting the charts on fire.
Marketing seems to be the consensus, and it's baffling now that the price is down. Buy some ad space, ya cheapskates! The only game that I've seen somewhat reasonably marketed was LBP.Sony has horrible marketing.
-PuLse
If that's what you consider selling well, then compare that to the 9 million Halo 3 sold and the 5+ million both Gears of War games sold. What about GTA4 and CoD4, which sold about 13 million between platforms and whose stats lean best towards the 360? Indeed, compare this to Gran Turismo 3 last gen (about 14 million), which before you rail was released early in the gen and therefore before the PS2 was running away with the show.Um PS3 exclusives do sell well, MGS4 = 4 million+, GT5:p = 3 million, uncharted = 2.5 million, Resistance: fall of man and Motorstorm = over 3 million each, Resistance = 1.5 million +, Little Big Planet = 2.25 million + and finally Killzone 2 = about 1.7 mlllion. So how on earth are these sales bad? Yes there not Wii Fit or Mario Kart Wii sales (20.3 million and 16.5 million) but they still are very good no matter how you look at them.
St_muscat
[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]so MGS4 and infamous sold bad? They are in comparison to the 360's top sellers, and multiplat sales also seem to favor the 360 for the most part.before anyone says anything selling a mill or two is still pretty damn awesome. but for a system that has 21 mil (at least) why arent the exclusives selling like they should? why dont ps3 owners actually BUY ps3 games?
StealthKnife
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