Why Frame-Rate is more important than Resolution?

I dont even know what frame rate mean lol.. i know few people tried to explain it to me before but i forgot :lol:

i play games to have fun and talk to friends not care about.. frame rate whatever the fuk that shit means :P

finalstar2007

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

THat's only the rash

wis3boi

Youre welcome ;)

Circle jerk senses are back!

Wait....wait...that's just my hand.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I dont even know what frame rate mean lol.. i know few people tried to explain it to me before but i forgot :lol:

i play games to have fun and talk to friends not care about.. frame rate whatever the fuk that shit means :P

faizan_faizan

My thoughts exactly LOL

Easy! It's because the lower the frame-rate the more detail you lose while moving. So at the end, higher resolution means nothing unless you're going to play something like Tetris or maybe GOW which has a fixed camera (only during gameplay because the camera moves with you during QTEs and stuff).

:cool:

But is not just that, high frame-rate comes with other perks too like: less latency in the gameplay and almost unnoticeable dejudder effect.

 

But what's the dejudder effect you ask? Well, if you play games or watch movies on a flat-screen then you already know what this ultra annoying thing that makes your eyes hurt real bad is, especially when playing first person games. This is the reason why scams like 120hz clear motion exist (to raise the price of the TV) but in reality that sh1t doesn't work very well and when it comes to games is even worse. Yes it fixes the dejudder but at the cost of insane latency and it still causes some artifacts that ruin the consistency of the overall image.

The Wikipedia definition of this phenomenon: "Normally, when a fixed framerate display such as an LCD screen is used to display a video source whose framerate is less than that of the screen, frames are often simply duplicated as necessary (e.g. 3:2 pulldown) to match the video refresh, which may introduce a visual artifact known as judder, perceived as "jumpiness" in the picture."

Now, what are the benefits of higher resolution? Slightly clearer text and sharper picture (but only when the camera is not moving). -Frame-Rate wins because it gives us better picture and less latency. So 720p/60fps > 1080p/30fps all day.

 

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How do game developers combat the dejudder effect? With camera-based motion blur but even then on games like Uncharted and Assassins Creed is still persistently noticeable even with all the effects working on trying to soften this annoyingness.

 

Now what you mothafukas think? You still think that Resolution is more important? Because I'm telling you, at least for gaming, Frame-Rate > Resolution.  :)

Gue1

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]

Steam ID is Sidewinder_24. And yes, it is still the dumbest post I've seen on here which might not make me right but certainly makes you wrong. :lol:senses_fail_06

According to steam, that ID does not exist. http://steamcommunity.com/id/Sidewinder_24

Oh well, not like a give a f*ck what you consider yourself on these forums anyways. Lots of former console guys pretending to be pro PC now. You can say what you want, but you can't fool me, lem. :wink:

And yes, it is still the dumbest post I've seen on here which might not make me right but certainly makes you wrong.

Frostbite24

FBM, your attempt at a rebuttal was poor at best. You clearly got caught up in your own poor comprehension. That was obvious in your "attempt" at responding.

Sorry you can't seem to use the internet properly. Sit down and stfu. Though I'm sure you'll ignore this and keep calling anyone who disagrees with your moronic statements a lemming. I truly feel sorry for you. :lol:

I dont even know what frame rate mean lol.. i know few people tried to explain it to me before but i forgot :lol:

i play games to have fun and talk to friends not care about.. frame rate whatever the fuk that shit means :P

finalstar2007

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

KillzoneSnake

So you've played KZ SF?

Here's the URL to my steam profile. http://steamcommunity.com/id/sidewinder_24 which of course doesn't have my Origin games, my blizzard games, Guild Wars 2 and assorted other non-steam games on my amazing gaming PC. F*cking owned.

Sorry you can't seem to use the internet properly. Sit down and stfu. Though I'm sure you'll ignore this and keep calling anyone who disagrees with your moronic statements a lemming. I truly feel sorry for you. :lol:

Frostbite24

Owned? Hardly. I merely asked a question. You taking it upon yourself to only respond to that part of the post, instead of the argument in which this thread is based upon, is affirmation enough that 1) your original comment was bunk and 2) you are clearly insecure about something and/or in need of validation of being a PC gamer.

Not like your steam is some kind of alpha portrayal anyways. According to your XBL account, you've played more games there than what you have played on STEAM. I know, there are other ways to get games on the PC, but I haven't even counted what games you may have played on the the PS3 or Wii...assuming you have one. Not exactly screaming hermit. 

Claiming ownage on me asking for your steam (which I never doubted you had or insuniated any doubt) was cute though.

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

ryangcnx-2

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complainingKillzoneSnake

[QUOTE="Frostbite24"]

Here's the URL to my steam profile. http://steamcommunity.com/id/sidewinder_24 which of course doesn't have my Origin games, my blizzard games, Guild Wars 2 and assorted other non-steam games on my amazing gaming PC. F*cking owned.

Sorry you can't seem to use the internet properly. Sit down and stfu. Though I'm sure you'll ignore this and keep calling anyone who disagrees with your moronic statements a lemming. I truly feel sorry for you. :lol:

senses_fail_06

Owned? Hardly. I merely asked a question. You taking it upon yourself to only respond to that part of the post, instead of the argument in which this thread is based upon, is affirmation enough that 1) your original comment was bunk and 2) you are clearly insecure about something and/or in need of validation of being a PC gamer.

Not like your steam is some kind of alpha portrayal anyways. According to your XBL account, you've played more games there than what you have played on STEAM. I know, there are other ways to get games on the PC, but I haven't even counted what games you may have played on the the PS3 or Wii...assuming you have one. Not exactly screaming hermit. 

Claiming ownage on me asking for your steam (which I never doubted you had or insuniated any doubt) was cute though.

Should I go on?

I absolutely love it how you claim I must be insecure when you act like everyone who disagrees with you is a lemming in disguise out to get you. Check under your bed buddy there might be one under there! "Oh no them lems are coming for me! This one says he's a hermit but I don't believe him! I know him for the lemming rat he is. Look I'll ask him for his steam ID then I'll reveal him for what he really is. That will show him!"

*recieves steam ID laden with dozens of games across all genres*

"Bu bu bu you use your XBL account too so you're still a lemming at heart. Haha. I win!"

Your willful ignorance and full-on butthurt is showing now in alarming fashion. I can't help but :lol:

i can do 60+fps at 2560x1440. i max out tf2 in fps (300) when the game isn't overloaded with 20k polygon hats. console gamers are still waiting for 60fps at 1080p lolol.themagicbum9720

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

There's plenty of people that can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. Heck, I run into some that claim they can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. So framerate is probably more important.

[QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]i can do 60+fps at 2560x1440. i max out tf2 in fps (300) when the game isn't overloaded with 20k polygon hats. console gamers are still waiting for 60fps at 1080p lolol.Cranler

[QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

Cranler

You apparently missed out on the flack that The Hobbit was getting with it's 48 fps didn't you... How it made it look cheesy and fake

Also, when I seen public enemies in theaters, it looked like the whole movie was being speed up. Depends on the game engine and how it's animations are designed along with a framerate. Play Dead Space on PC and see what I mean, it's looks unnaturally speed up when you take off the lock to 30 fps. 

Hermits really are just an elitist bunch grasping at staws at why their 1k + PCs barely beat out a console on 90% of games. 30 fps is fine for gaming, just as 24fps is fine for movies.

In both Far Cry 3 and Bioshock Infinite I've sacrificed 60 FPS for almost maxed out settings. I'd much rather have better visuals than a higher framerate.

[QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]i can do 60+fps at 2560x1440. i max out tf2 in fps (300) when the game isn't overloaded with 20k polygon hats. console gamers are still waiting for 60fps at 1080p lolol.Cranler

Is that supposed to be an achievement

There's plenty of people that can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. Heck, I run into some that claim they can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. So framerate is probably more important.

Wickerman777

There's plenty of people that can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p. Heck, I run into some that claim they can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. So framerate is probably more important.

Wickerman777

Who says otherwise? With PC gaming, you get better resolution and frame rates. So this all seems slightly mute.Blabadon

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

ryangcnx-2

You apparently missed out on the flack that The Hobbit was getting with it's 48 fps didn't you... How it made it look cheesy and fake

Also, when I seen public enemies in theaters, it looked like the whole movie was being speed up. Depends on the game engine and how it's animations are designed along with a framerate. Play Dead Space on PC and see what I mean, it's looks unnaturally speed up when you take off the lock to 30 fps. 

Hermits really are just an elitist bunch grasping at staws at why their 1k + PCs barely beat out a console on 90% of games. 30 fps is fine for gaming, just as 24fps is fine for movies.

24 fps is fine for movies because they're not interactive. At higher framerates, it starts to become more about the feel than the appearance. If a game has good animations, and it stays steady, sure, it will look plenty smooth at 30 fps. If that's what you're used to, 60 fps might even seem weird, but I love how smooth everything looks at 40-60, or even more. And the  feel  is what really makes it. I played Dead Space on PC. All three of them. They don't look bad at 30 fps. But they look even better at 50-60, and the feel, and responsiveness of the controls is unmatched. I couldn't possibly play Dead Space at 30 fps again, after figuring out that the vsync was broken, and turning it off gave me 60+ most of the time.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ryangcnx-2"]

It's a minor difference. People act like 30 fps is comletely unplayable, and yet I don't see it. It's a bit smoother yes, but nothing ground breaking. Give me 1080p 30fps over 720 60fps.

Expecially since my favorite genre is RPG's, and 30 fps is completely playable. I just got done finishing Bioshock Infiinite on PS3, and 30 fps didn't hamper anything by it. In fact some game engines even look wierd running in 60 fps, like they are in fast forward mode. Movies are 24fps by the way and when they are put into the new 48 fps mode, they look wierd as if fast fowarding has been applied too. When you get frame rate drops it's also more annoying, which is why bioshock infinite on PC bugs me, it goes getting 60 fps the whole time, then it bogs down immediately to 30 fps whenever actual lighting comes into the scene and that constant jumping from 60 to 30 to 60 is ultimately annoying. I would MUCH rather have a solid 30 FPS that maybe only dip to 27fps occasionally. 

You apparently missed out on the flack that The Hobbit was getting with it's 48 fps didn't you... How it made it look cheesy and fake

Also, when I seen public enemies in theaters, it looked like the whole movie was being speed up. Depends on the game engine and how it's animations are designed along with a framerate. Play Dead Space on PC and see what I mean, it's looks unnaturally speed up when you take off the lock to 30 fps. 

Hermits really are just an elitist bunch grasping at staws at why their 1k + PCs barely beat out a console on 90% of games. 30 fps is fine for gaming, just as 24fps is fine for movies.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]i play at 1280x960 on lowest in multiplayer everyone madmitu123

Cuz he's jiggly. You mad? Haha. :P

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

No, no it's not :|. 

It's as simple and logical as can be. You can say it "performs" better or "runs" better at 60 FPS, but what you will physically be looking at will be a better looking picture with lower frames. Not having to push 60 frames = better looking/more shit on screen.

senses_fail_06

That's not really true.  It is possible to maitain 60 frames at max settings

Do I look like a fool to you, or perhaps, are you just not quite sure what you are talking about? :|

Let me know before I address your comment. 

I currently have a 24" 1080p TV and a 15" 1024x768 LCD monitor hooked up to my PC. Between the two, I've tried a myriad of resolutions between 800x600 and 1080p. I'll pick 1080p and 30fps (up to 60fps) over a lower res with 60fps everytime.

Frame rate = resolution > fancy graphical effects

I'd turn everything down to low sooner than I'd lower the resolution or accept a horrible framerate.

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

lostrib

So you've played KZ SF?

No but a noob tv show host did live. Its real brah

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

KillzoneSnake

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I can have both. Why settle for a hamburger when you can have a banquet. RR360DD

Because we don't all want to be fat like herms

For a lot of games I would rather have a nice clean, 1080p screen at 30 fps than an upscaled 720p game at 60 fps, that's if I had to choose. 

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

faizan_faizan

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

KillzoneSnake

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I dont even know what frame rate mean lol.. i know few people tried to explain it to me before but i forgot :lol:

i play games to have fun and talk to friends not care about.. frame rate whatever the fuk that shit means :P

faizan_faizan

He's baiting.

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]First, XD is an indication of stupidity, I would rather not use it on the internet. Second, 30FPS is sluggish, 50-60 is not.

MonsieurX

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

Sad bang for the buck.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

KillzoneSnake

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

So you've seen the final releases for PS4?

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

PC gamers still cant play Crysis 3 on ultra at 60 and i dont see them complaining. They instead say KZ SF 1080/30 is not good lol at least KZ SF never drops to 29 while their framerates are all over the place xD

KillzoneSnake

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

 

 

Sad bang for the buck.

KillzoneSnake

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]First, XD is an indication of stupidity, I would rather not use it on the internet. Second, 30FPS is sluggish, 50-60 is not.

Cranler

Even a geforce titan goes into the 30's. So much for a $1000 GPU. I think you need to upgrade again cuz PS4 will have better looking games than crysis 3 lol

that is the funny thinga bout the cows argument.  Crysis 3 on high still looks as good as or better than KZSF and my rig runs it on high at no lower than 50fps.  Crysis 3 was designed to make GPUs bleed so yes if you turn it all the way up your GPU will buckle.  But that doesn't mean that on high (which most GPUs can easily do) that it doesn't look as good as or better than PS4's next gen title.  Honestly its hard to even tell the diffference between high and very high.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I dont even know what frame rate mean lol.. i know few people tried to explain it to me before but i forgot :lol:

i play games to have fun and talk to friends not care about.. frame rate whatever the fuk that shit means :P

Jankarcop

He's baiting.