Why gaming on PC is frustrating

I know when I buy a game I want to put it in and play it! Not make all these frustrating tweaks...jasonheyman

It's pretty obvious you have never played computer games. 

Holy crap... He's complaining that he can't max his games and he's talking about Spore? He also said that he'll go out and drop lots of money on the best equipment?

Either he doesn't know what the best equipment is, or.. I don't know.

I could max that game out at 1280 x 1024 with EVERYTHING on the highest settings and still get good frames per second, more than playable, and that was on my 8800 GTS, with only 2 gigs of DDR 800 Ram. The only games I couldn't max out on my 8800 GTS was Crysis/Warhead, Far Cry 2 and maybe Fallout 3, but I never tried the 2 latter games on my 8800 so I don't know for sure.

So I don't know what the heck he is talking about... I just watched the rest of the video and boy is this guy a big baby or what? 

I know when I buy a game I want to put it in and play it! Not make all these frustrating tweaks...jasonheyman

Some people do find PC's complicated and have trouble using mice and all that. But for a lot of people PC gaming is easy. Its understandable that you personally would find it difficult.

Anyway, back from your ban I see. Your posts are a lot more subdued now wihich is a good thing.

I agree that the recommendations on the box should be more realistic, I mean most people are now gaming on resolutions like 1650x1050 and it will take a juicy rig to run games smoothly at that res.

BUT, in most games you don't have to mess with the settings much at all thanks to autodetect, and if you really are a PC gamer you propably already know before hand how the game is gonna run or what settings you want to turn down since they're pretty much the same in every game. And if you're having difficulties finding a rig that can play Spore on high ..well I dunno what to say, try not to buy a Dell next time.

the only frustating part is when you have one loud fan and defected ram like me and need to buy new ones.themagicbum9720

Well that is actually a plus compared to a console, at least you can fix a PC, a busted console will either be junk or have to be sent in for repairs. 

Watched this ages ago.

He says his PC cant run Spore properly.

He also says PC gaming is great and far from dead.

So I guess you are trying to say PC gaming has its difficulties because of the experience of the end user, but is awesomeTC?

I think it does suck how PC developers too often want to push the hardware and then complain about bad sales. RK-Mara

Crysis is still the most graphically demanding game and it has been out for a year now.. Furthermore we have yet to see anythign int he forseeable future to rival its graphics or its demand.. Last but not least Hardware is a steal right now.. With a 9800gt that can play the game on high you can get for around $125..

[QUOTE="jasonheyman"]I know when I buy a game I want to put it in and play it! Not make all these frustrating tweaks...bladeeagle

exactly. seriously, TC, why all the troll threads?

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/29354/Sesslers_Soapbox_A_Glitch_In_The_System.html%5B/url

Adam explains this very well I think...

jasonheyman

Hmm..i should read thi...oh wait..

its from G4..

You have to admit he has a point. Who wants to make all those adjustments just to play a game?!

Auto detect. Learn it.

Adam Sessler was spewing poop out his mouth.

These games still look better on PC. High-end PC hardware is easy to come by. It's not hard to find games that run very well on mid to high-end rigs. Period.

Actually no Adam makes a good point. Not everyone wants to have all those choices to make. The majority like putting the game in and playing.jasonheyman

You're right.  Not everyone likes having choices and that's fine.  That doesn't make PC gaming worse though. 

The real reason PC gaming has become frustrating is due to DRM. DRM serves no purpose because games with DRM are being cracked and downloaded before the release date. Who wants to buy a game that you can activate online 3 times? It promotes pirating software because nobody wants to deal with that. It's caused me to buy inferior console versions just to avoid DRM.

Also, many glitches and system crashes are due to the inclusion of DRM.

Companies should stick to Blizzard's excellent business model. I can play starcraft, warcraft iii, diablo 2 etc without the CD. and I only need a cd-key for battle.net.

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/29354/Sesslers_Soapbox_A_Glitch_In_The_System.html[/url

Adam explains this very well I think...

Actually no Adam makes a good point. Not everyone wants to have all those choices to make. The majority like putting the game in and playing.jasonheyman

Why do you continue to state the obvious?

The advantage of consoles is plug and play. This is a fact that has remained so for the past 20 years.  You act like people are trying to suppress the truth about PC gaming, that it has problems with piracy, it can be hard to get into to, it's time consuming, blah blah blah. These are all well known problems and nobody denies them. Yes, people might dispute them and dispute to what degree they are considered a problem, but it's not as if people aren't aware of them. That's why some people prefer consoles over PCs.

I eagerly await your asinine next topic about PC gaming!

You have to admit he has a point. Who wants to make all those adjustments just to play a game?!

jasonheyman

At the maximum it takes about 5 minutes at the beggining of the game to adjust all the settings to play well on your PC, and then you never have to change them again. 

I don't see the problem.

I know when I buy a game I want to put it in and play it! Not make all these frustrating tweaks...jasonheyman

thats like saying "I know when I want a food I want to get it in and eat it! Not make all these frustrating choices..."

Your just a commie. you can't make any decision for your self, hell, your being controlled by a video game console developer, you have no control in what you say or do. Instead of going onto a site to try and convince people to not get a console(which doesn't work btw). I can wait an extra 5 minutes to adjust settings, i do it for PC, 360, and PS3. Want to know why? i don't have to have to buy a game so i look cool.

Ever since xbox 360(not saying 360 isn't good) was released, their have been more and more of these **** from the music and movie industries coming in, ruining for the true gamers, who just want to play games, maybe make some mods, maybe have some type of interest in how games work, what engine they run on, etc, and not flame another system, for god knows why.

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Even console have problemes with games...

Bebi_vegeta

Sigh...

Toucher, huh?

Whether console games have problems (whatever that's in reference to) or not is irrelevant to what I bespoketh of in my posteth. Which would be that PC gaming is frustrating due to the amount of miscellaneous stuff you need to mess around with to accommodate for the actual gaming.

I don't much care for getting dragged into some silly arguement with an apparent hermit who feels the need to lash out at people not standing in line with his views. "How dare he have had bad experiences and insult my cherished gaming platform, I'll show him by attacking what I believe to be what he holds as dearly as me." I do not care about your petty agenda, nor your trying to start ****-ness.

That's what I meant by my "sigh", but I didn't feel like typing it out. I still don't and slightly regret wasting time on it.

I used to be a PC Gamer, but it's such a waste of time and money now. Explain to me how auto adjust helps when your monitor has a native res of 1680x1050 or whatever and the games decide they won't go to that res. 

Between the OS updates/crashes/reinstalls, virus updates, blocked ports, configuring friggin' Windows, buying new upgrades, I've been very happy with the 360. Oh, and the pure awesomeness when you finally get a game going that magically conencts thru the 8 firewalls between you and whoever else, and then 10 minutes into it you get some retarded message that opposing player has a version mismatch. wtf.

 I wanted to play Silent Hunter IV the other day on PC, took me a days worth of work, downloading and applying the 1GB patch, which isn't hosted on the official site but on some sh*t mirrors that you have to be logged into unless you're happy with a 6 hour ETA on the free one.  Finally got it going at 1 am, played for a few hours, really missed some kind of achievements... 

 Contrasted with buying Fallout 3 for 360, sticking it in the drive and playing. No time wasted, no money wasted, no nothing.  

My old 2 year pc still plays every thing max'd besides crysis g4 sucks that's all.

1. Insert disc

2. Install

3. Auto- Detect hardware

4. Customize controls

5. Play

If that's too hard then you might kill yourself learning how to get out the shower.

Computer illiteracy of the individual != Issues with the platform.

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/29354/Sesslers_Soapbox_A_Glitch_In_The_System.html%5B/url

Adam explains this very well I think...

jasonheyman

Hmm..i should read thi...oh wait..

its from G4..

You have to admit he has a point. Who wants to make all those adjustments just to play a game?!

Takes like 20 seconds to change graphical settings for a PC game. Some games auto-scan your hardware and arrange it for you...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

 

Sigh...

InsaneBasura

Toucher, huh?

Whether console games have problems (whatever that's in reference to) or not is irrelevant to what I bespoketh of in my posteth. Which would be that PC gaming is frustrating due to the amount of miscellaneous stuff you need to mess around with to accommodate for the actual gaming.

I don't much care for getting dragged into some silly arguement with an apparent hermit who feels the need to lash out at people not standing in line with his views. "How dare he have had bad experiences and insult my cherished gaming platform, I'll show him by attacking what I believe to be what he holds as dearly as me." I do not care about your petty agenda, nor your trying to start ****-ness.

That's what I meant by my "sigh", but I didn't feel like typing it out. I still don't and slightly regret wasting time on it.

Yet, if you would of just said nothing... you could of skipped this " childish play " that you call. Anyway you can judge me you all you want and invent what type of person I am through my comments ... I guess, you feel better afterwards?

What's frustration to some is fun for other. I for one, like options... yes I am well aware with more options I can run into more problemes...it's been obvious since forever.But even console, that are more simple have there share of problemes... I'm very tired of people thinking only PC have problemes with hardware and software... now that's my point.

Actually no Adam makes a good point. Not everyone wants to have all those choices to make. The majority like putting the game in and playing.jasonheyman

That's why consoles were invented :o I know, shcking isnt it.

I used to be a PC Gamer, but it's such a waste of time and money now. Explain to me how auto adjust helps when your monitor has a native res of 1680x1050 or whatever and the games decide they won't go to that res.

Between the OS updates/crashes/reinstalls, virus updates, blocked ports, configuring friggin' Windows, buying new upgrades, I've been very happy with the 360. Oh, and the pure awesomeness when you finally get a game going that magically conencts thru the 8 firewalls between you and whoever else, and then 10 minutes into it you get some retarded message that opposing player has a version mismatch. wtf.

I wanted to play Silent Hunter IV the other day on PC, took me a days worth of work, downloading and applying the 1GB patch, which isn't hosted on the official site but on some sh*t mirrors that you have to be logged into unless you're happy with a 6 hour ETA on the free one. Finally got it going at 1 am, played for a few hours, really missed some kind of achievements...

Contrasted with buying Fallout 3 for 360, sticking it in the drive and playing. No time wasted, no money wasted, no nothing.

kerpal_cz

It fun to make stuff up!

I used to be a console gamer but 17 xbox's red ringed on me so I went back to PC.

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Toucher, huh?

Bebi_vegeta

Whether console games have problems (whatever that's in reference to) or not is irrelevant to what I bespoketh of in my posteth. Which would be that PC gaming is frustrating due to the amount of miscellaneous stuff you need to mess around with to accommodate for the actual gaming.

I don't much care for getting dragged into some silly arguement with an apparent hermit who feels the need to lash out at people not standing in line with his views. "How dare he have had bad experiences and insult my cherished gaming platform, I'll show him by attacking what I believe to be what he holds as dearly as me." I do not care about your petty agenda, nor your trying to start ****-ness.

That's what I meant by my "sigh", but I didn't feel like typing it out. I still don't and slightly regret wasting time on it.

Yet, if you would of just said nothing... you could of skipped this " childish play " that you call. Anyway you can judge me you all you want and invent what type of person I am through my comments ... I guess, you feel better afterwards?

What's frustration to some is fun for other. I for one, like options... yes I am well aware with more options I can run into more problemes...it's been obvious since forever.But even console, that are more simple have there share of problemes... I'm very tired of people thinking only PC have problemes with hardware and software... now that's my point.

I said I regretted it. But you apparently wanted an elaboration with your crappy flamebaiting. So congratulations, you got one.

Where did I, or anyone for that matter, say only PC's have problems? Now that's my point.´And it's spelled problems, dammit.

It fun to make stuff up!

I used to be a console gamer but 17 xbox's red ringed on me so I went back to PC.

tenaka2

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

 

Whether console games have problems (whatever that's in reference to) or not is irrelevant to what I bespoketh of in my posteth. Which would be that PC gaming is frustrating due to the amount of miscellaneous stuff you need to mess around with to accommodate for the actual gaming.

I don't much care for getting dragged into some silly arguement with an apparent hermit who feels the need to lash out at people not standing in line with his views. "How dare he have had bad experiences and insult my cherished gaming platform, I'll show him by attacking what I believe to be what he holds as dearly as me." I do not care about your petty agenda, nor your trying to start ****-ness.

That's what I meant by my "sigh", but I didn't feel like typing it out. I still don't and slightly regret wasting time on it.

InsaneBasura

Yet, if you would of just said nothing... you could of skipped this " childish play " that you call. Anyway you can judge me you all you want and invent what type of person I am through my comments ... I guess, you feel better afterwards?

What's frustration to some is fun for other. I for one, like options... yes I am well aware with more options I can run into more problemes...it's been obvious since forever.But even console, that are more simple have there share of problemes... I'm very tired of people thinking only PC have problemes with hardware and software... now that's my point.

I said I regretted it. But you apparently wanted an elaboration with your crappy flamebaiting. So congratulations, you got one.

Where did I, or anyone for that matter, say only PC's have problems? Now that's my point.´And it's spelled problems, dammit.

Here goes with the spell this and that... anymore more low blow shoots, is it because you have nothing to say that you need to point out my week english grammar... yeah talk about flamebait.

If you didn't came here to debate, then maybe you're in the wrong forum. 

Nobody said only PC have probleme, but they act like that... blaming PC for this and that... well i'm saying consoles aren't perfect either... yeah anyone can say the obvious, just like this whole thread.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

It fun to make stuff up!

I used to be a console gamer but 17 xbox's red ringed on me so I went back to PC.

lowe0

There's a line between exaggerating and saying reallity.

8 firewalls??? really??? comon...

if your so anti pc gaming why don't you spend more time playing your console than making 10 pc bashing threds a day?  sounds like your board of your console games to me.

1 all pc game has something called "optimal settings"  which is detected when a game is run for the first time, if you don't touch the settings it will run fine @ 30fps or more

2 a 8800gt is a year old yet it can run every game excpet crysis on maxium settings and can run crysis maxed if your run it @ console resolutions (600p)

3 recomended doesn't mean running game on high settings it means running the game smoothly on medium settings there is something called high which isn't often listed which are the specs for high settings running smoothly

I you buy a decent gaming pc now and you never touch the settings it will run any game as smoothly as a console

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"][QUOTE="jasonheyman"]

http://www.g4tv.com/thepile/videos/29354/Sesslers_Soapbox_A_Glitch_In_The_System.html%5B/url

Adam explains this very well I think...

jasonheyman

Hmm..i should read thi...oh wait..

its from G4..

You have to admit he has a point. Who wants to make all those adjustments just to play a game?!

the fact is you don't have to the game auto detects the best settings when it is first run, he doesn't really have a point except that I want to play on the highest setting but I don't want to much round with settings.  if you have the best hardware the game will auto detect high settings

The real reason PC gaming has become frustrating is due to DRM. DRM serves no purpose because games with DRM are being cracked and downloaded before the release date. Who wants to buy a game that you can activate online 3 times? It promotes pirating software because nobody wants to deal with that. It's caused me to buy inferior console versions just to avoid DRM.

Also, many glitches and system crashes are due to the inclusion of DRM.

Companies should stick to Blizzard's excellent business model. I can play starcraft, warcraft iii, diablo 2 etc without the CD. and I only need a cd-key for battle.net.

Sinheart

exactly drm is doing nothing excpet promoting cracking games so you don't have to worry about install limits.  steam is the only drm that works, lets you install the games on as many pcs as you want with no activation, linking to account is way better than to hardware.

well pc does have its rewards

PC>360>ps3>wii

well pc does have its rewards

naruto7777

That's the way I see it as well. PC takes the most effort, but it also offers the greatest rewards.

I used to be a PC Gamer, but it's such a waste of time and money now. Explain to me how auto adjust helps when your monitor has a native res of 1680x1050 or whatever and the games decide they won't go to that res. 

 

Between the OS updates/crashes/reinstalls, virus updates, blocked ports, configuring friggin' Windows, buying new upgrades, I've been very happy with the 360. Oh, and the pure awesomeness when you finally get a game going that magically conencts thru the 8 firewalls between you and whoever else, and then 10 minutes into it you get some retarded message that opposing player has a version mismatch. wtf.

 I wanted to play Silent Hunter IV the other day on PC, took me a days worth of work, downloading and applying the 1GB patch, which isn't hosted on the official site but on some sh*t mirrors that you have to be logged into unless you're happy with a 6 hour ETA on the free one.  Finally got it going at 1 am, played for a few hours, really missed some kind of achievements... 

 Contrasted with buying Fallout 3 for 360, sticking it in the drive and playing. No time wasted, no money wasted, no nothing.  

kerpal_cz

Auto adjust helps because it sets everything else to a level of compatibility with your console.

Explain to me how a console helps your Call of Duty 4 display natively in 1080p on your hi-def television. Oh wait, it doesn't. Point nullified.

Just because your monitor has a native resolution of blah-blah-blah doesn't mean that your rig is going to display it natively at that resolution after an autodetect. The developer and the program doesn't know what your native resolution is. It takes all of about 15 seconds to change the resolution inside the game's options menu. Either way, just because it's 1680x1050 doesn't mean it has to display in that resolution optimally. The only thing that's necessary to change is the aspect ratio....which, if auto-detect doesn't fix that, is another 5 second fix. How lazy are we that we can't do that, but we can go on a 4 minute rant about how hard it is?

It's not hard, please, please get over it.

As far as the other stuff: are you using your Xbox 360 to post on this forum? Are you at the library? Have you given up on the PC platform? Interesting. I thought the Xbox 360 didn't have a web browser.

Note: The Xbox 360, as well as the PS3, have to be configured. If you have wireless, you have to tap into the network, if you have wireless devices, they need to be synced, you need to hook it up to your TV and your sound system, tweak your video, audio, and game settings, buy accessories, buy an online card and matching map pack, and do system updates. Do you not have to update your games on Xbox Live or something?

As far as the other stuff inhibiting gaming: I agree. That's why Windows needs to explode and Microsoft needs to leave the market so that we can have a stable, unified, and secure operating system - Linux.

This Sessler guy have some valid points to his frustration.

Recommended specs is not the optimal specs for game to be played on a PC.  The reason a publisher put recommended requirements is for the player to understand if he want to play the game at high quality and at enjoyable frame rate, the specs on the box is required to achieve the kind of quality the player would want.

"The specs of some of these games are enormous," says Sessler

Far Cry 2 for example.  When the publisher adjust the graphic quality and the resolution much higher then the consoles could handle, the recommended specs go up.  Other things could happen is more NPCs could be added to the game because a PC processor is more powerful to handle the information of more moving objects on the map.  So publishers are just giving the PC gamer what he wants, that is a better quality game.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

It fun to make stuff up!

I used to be a console gamer but 17 xbox's red ringed on me so I went back to PC.

lowe0

A lot of posters do make stuff up, how many lems post 'Played MGS and it sucks' every week? All factions do it, sometimes its more obvious than others like in this example. Which I note you didnt include in your quote as it was clearly bogus.

Having Options... is.... bad?

Wow.  People do complain about anything.