Why has Blu-Ray been skipped with PC gaming?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

Well they can't guarantee enough people will have Blu-Ray for publishers to release on it.

Also apart from better audio I don't think it will bring much advantages to games on the PC.

Considering PC games are compressed it's easy and cheap to just put them an a few DVD9s.

I personally hope optical media on the PC just dies. It's so slow and inflexible compared to the rest of the PCs components now. I just spent over a day having to mess around with CD-RWs and DVD-RWs doing various jobs and I know I could have done those same jobs in a few hours or less without them. They're just cumbersome now.

Plus when it comes to PCs 50GB isn't that impressive anymore. I just got a 1TB WD External HDD for around £50. Quality HDDs are just so cheap now. And USBs abundant.

When it comes to movies and music out side of the PC, I still like optical media.

simplyderp

I don't think it would bring better audio... most people on PC has a headset... they don't usually have 5.1, never mind 7.1...

You mean cheap 5.1 HTIB setups? Did you know that you can connect a PC to your receiver? :P

Oh I know! But, the most common setup is headset. You can even 7.1 with high end audio card... but that's not what the most common gaming setup is about.

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

ZIMdoom

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

It takes me about 30 min to go to the store and back to buy a game . It would take me hours to download a 16gig game so you must have an extremly high bandwith connection and as a whole BR is a plus for games yes even pc games.

TheSterls

It's not a plus, it wouldn't help PC gaming in any way... DVD are still plenty fine. Dirt 2 needs 10Gb from Steam, Bluray would be such a waste.

LMAO you honeslty think 10 gb its going to be the standard on games 2 to 3 years from now?

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball... And if they really wanted, they could use a DVD double layer, double side...

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

Bebi_vegeta

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

A lot of people think something better than blu-ray will come out. I'm one of them. KC_Hokie

Well there are hologprahic discs which can hold a couple of terabytes each, and per GB of space they cost a tiny fraction of the price as per GB of blu ray.... However, it costs probabaly around 50 times more expensive per disc than blu ray discs; so I doubt thast will become mass market anytime soon.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

It's not a plus, it wouldn't help PC gaming in any way... DVD are still plenty fine. Dirt 2 needs 10Gb from Steam, Bluray would be such a waste.

Bebi_vegeta

LMAO you honeslty think 10 gb its going to be the standard on games 2 to 3 years from now?

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball... And if they really wanted, they could use a DVD double layer, double side...

Do you need a Crystal Ball? Games have gotten bigger as time has gone on. SNES games usually averaged about 16 to 32 megs , PS1 games went to 600 megs and beyond. PS2 games went xbox games went to 8 GBs . We now have PS3 games using 25 GBs . Do you see the trend over the years? Games have gotten bigger as as graphics get better that will continue.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

TheSterls

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]A lot of people think something better than blu-ray will come out. I'm one of them. _Matt_

Well there are hologprahic discs which can hold a couple of terabytes each, and per GB of space they cost a tiny fraction of the price as per GB of blu ray.... However, it costs probabaly around 50 times more expensive per disc than blu ray discs; so I doubt thast will become mass market anytime soon.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/08/06/pioneer_develops_500gb_blu-ray_compatible_disc

It looks like BR could be the standard for awhile considering the price.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

HuusAsking

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

There all still inferior to physical copies. The only true advantage DD has is saving shelf space.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

LMAO you honeslty think 10 gb its going to be the standard on games 2 to 3 years from now?

TheSterls

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball... And if they really wanted, they could use a DVD double layer, double side...

Do you need a Crystal Ball? Games have gotten bigger as time has gone on. SNES games usually averaged about 16 to 32 megs , PS1 games went to 600 megs and beyond. PS2 games went xbox games went to 8 GBs . We now have PS3 games using 25 GBs . Do you see the trend over the years? Games have gotten bigger as as graphics get better that will continue.

Some of the better PC games out there actually had smaller budgets (like Sins of a Solar Empire). To say nothing of the Invasion of the Indies, whose budgets are usually shoestring by definition.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]A lot of people think something better than blu-ray will come out. I'm one of them. TheSterls

Well there are hologprahic discs which can hold a couple of terabytes each, and per GB of space they cost a tiny fraction of the price as per GB of blu ray.... However, it costs probabaly around 50 times more expensive per disc than blu ray discs; so I doubt thast will become mass market anytime soon.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/08/06/pioneer_develops_500gb_blu-ray_compatible_disc

It looks like BR could be the standard for awhile considering the price.

yup, as it is at the moment, blu ray discs cost much less per GB than DVDs to produce, and with these many layered discs available sometime, blu ray is certainkly a sensible choice over other disc based media.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

TheSterls

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

Bebi_vegeta

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

I see your point, very valid for the US and most of Europe... But going download digital only is going to still narrow the demographic. Some people may be on dial up or not much faster speeds, or may not even have access to the internet at all.

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

TheSterls

2. Ignoring gifts and guest passes - not being able to resell and buy used games is a huge positive for publishers who want to eliminate the preowed market,

3. Internet speeds continue to increase and will so in relation to the content it distrubutes.

I used to be all about the box and manual etc. These days that means a manual 9 pages long with 6 pages of disclaimers.

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Really? Because to me, digital dristubution is way ahead of it all...

Bebi_vegeta

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

Its not good for the consumer and DD will still have problems with Piracy .

No i have a 6 mb connection which is still considered far faster then average and it would take me far longer then 20 min wich is about what it would take me to go grab the game. In all honesty it could take hours on some cases to download a game.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

LMAO you honeslty think 10 gb its going to be the standard on games 2 to 3 years from now?

TheSterls

I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball... And if they really wanted, they could use a DVD double layer, double side...

Do you need a Crystal Ball? Games have gotten bigger as time has gone on. SNES games usually averaged about 16 to 32 megs , PS1 games went to 600 megs and beyond. PS2 games went xbox games went to 8 GBs . We now have PS3 games using 25 GBs . Do you see the trend over the years? Games have gotten bigger as as graphics get better that will continue.

Console does not work like a PC... How much does Dirt 2 take on PS3?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

TheSterls

There all still inferior to physical copies. The only true advantage DD has is saving shelf space.

How is it inferier when it's the exact same content? Both methods get you the exact same thing, both have their drawbacks and upsides.

because it's not needed for PC Gaming.

It be cool but honestly I don't think it's need with Digital Download and all.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

_Matt_

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

I see your point, very valid for the US and most of Europe... But going download digital only is going to still narrow the demographic. Some people may be on dial up or not much faster speeds, or may not even have access to the internet at all.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

TheSterls

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

Its not good for the consumer and DD will still have problems with Piracy .

No i have a 6 mb connection which is still considered far faster then average and it would take me far longer then 20 min wich is about what it would take me to go grab the game. In all honesty it could take hours on some cases to download a game.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

_Matt_

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

I see your point, very valid for the US and most of Europe... But going download digital only is going to still narrow the demographic. Some people may be on dial up or not much faster speeds, or may not even have access to the internet at all.

I did say it's the now and futur... DD sales have gone up for PC while hard copy have gone down. I don't expect things to change in the futur. There will always be a market for physical copy, but DVD does that fine. I'm sure there's not a lot of PC gaming machine that have a BD player...

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

HuusAsking

I see your point, very valid for the US and most of Europe... But going download digital only is going to still narrow the demographic. Some people may be on dial up or not much faster speeds, or may not even have access to the internet at all.

well, ok, point taken, but someone like me, on my 250KB a sec download. It took me 24 hours to download Mass Effect 1 and 2. But that was 24 hours of download time, not 24 hours of time, since I cannot leave my pc on overnight due to its noise. Dropping a little lower than that; if someone had a 100KB a second speed, they can still play games online, however it would take a good couple of days to perform the same download.That is enough to put people off a game, where they could simply go to a store and pickup the same game.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Not according to the general public who purchases games not to mentiont theres so many downsides to it.

1. No physical copy

2. No borrowing or trading

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download.

TheSterls

1. Steam allows back up physical copy.

2. This is good the dev.

3. Waiting for 10+ gigs to download, it's like going to the store to get your game?

Its not good for the consumer and DD will still have problems with Piracy .

No i have a 6 mb connection which is still considered far faster then average and it would take me far longer then 20 min wich is about what it would take me to go grab the game. In all honesty it could take hours on some cases to download a game.

DD is good for consummer, Steam sales where obviously a succes.

Piracy??? what about it? It's not like hard copy is better for preventing piracy hein?

Hey, I rather download my game... even if it took a day... while you rather go up to a store and get it... so now what? People have spoken DD sales for PC are going up and hard copy is going down.

DVD's still seem cheaper for developers. As a consumer, the only reason I might want Blu Ray is for 1080p movies. I think some internal Blu Ray reader/DVD writers are down to $50 or less. I may buy one for my next DIY PC.

Because it's redundant.

It's not standard on factory built PCs yet so it's not standard on games yet.

This topic seems to pop up every now and then. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about PC gaming by some of the console crowed. People need to take off the console glasses and recognise PC is a very different platform, it doesn't have to behave like a console to compete with them.

MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sonyhippiesanta

[QUOTE="hippiesanta"]MS are too ego that's why. they think is they use Blu-Ray... they just get served by sonyjasonharris48

This topic seems to pop up every now and then. It demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about PC gaming by some of the console crowed.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

To which you need to ask, "Are the people you wish narrowing out really worth the effort to reach at this point? IOW, are people with too-slow or no Internet really going to be the types to go for the latest games, most of which have noticeable online components?"nutcrackr

well, ok, point taken, but someone like me, on my 250KB a sec download. It took me 24 hours to download Mass Effect 1 and 2. But that was 24 hours of download time, not 24 hours of time, since I cannot leave my pc on overnight due to its noise. Dropping a little lower than that; if someone had a 100KB a second speed, they can still play games online, however it would take a good couple of days to perform the same download.That is enough to put people off a game, where they could simply go to a store and pickup the same game.

Maybe because Blu ray is totally useless for PC's?

The TC is a PC gamer. :o

Teufelhuhn

Well they certainly fooled me.

Usually it is a PS3 gamer going on about PC not having Blu-ray, attempting to hype up the fact that they're the only gaming platform utilizing it. Of course there isn't a reason for us to utilize it, because we have something better, a high capacity HDD. The disk after installation is nothing more than a run key, disk performance and capacity is irrelevant with today's game file sizes.

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe some cost as much as a computer, but you can get a blu-ray drive for around 30-40$. Only about double the cost of a dvd drive.

topgunmv

Link! The Cheapest Blu-Ray reader I can find on NCIX is $75, while a random DVD drive was about $25.

Pretty much from the start of october to the end of december you could get bluray drives made by sony for 40$ on newegg.

Here's one for 50$.

Okay i overestimated the price... But my point is that PC is moving from OLD disc technology to a new Digital future.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

Link! The Cheapest Blu-Ray reader I can find on NCIX is $75, while a random DVD drive was about $25.

xxxDirtyJoexxx

Pretty much from the start of october to the end of december you could get bluray drives made by sony for 40$ on newegg.

Here's one for 50$.

Okay i overestimated the price... But my point is that PC is moving from OLD disc technology to a new Digital future.

I think there will be hardcopies available for the foreseeable future for anything that isn't a small indie game made by a handful of people. I even saw several hardcopies of Braid of all things at bestbuy.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

To which you need to ask, "Are the people you wish narrowing out really worth the effort to reach at this point? IOW, are people with too-slow or no Internet really going to be the types to go for the latest games, most of which have noticeable online components?"HuusAsking

well, ok, point taken, but someone like me, on my 250KB a sec download. It took me 24 hours to download Mass Effect 1 and 2. But that was 24 hours of download time, not 24 hours of time, since I cannot leave my pc on overnight due to its noise. Dropping a little lower than that; if someone had a 100KB a second speed, they can still play games online, however it would take a good couple of days to perform the same download.That is enough to put people off a game, where they could simply go to a store and pickup the same game.

Of course I agree, lots of people are upgrading internet day by day, and eventually, I am sure DD will take over, but I feel it won't happen even in this next generation.

Well for 3 reasons.

1) PC games don't require 50GB or even 25GB of space for their games. So developers don't even both putting their games on that media. Plus is would cost more money for the publisher.

2) Most PC gamers don't even have a Blu-Ray player in their PC.

3) Many PC gamers use Steam now for many of their games. That completely negates using Blu-Ray at all.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

HuusAsking

I agree that there is a reason. I just found it funny that PC always been late to switch to new formats in a more standard way and yet he seems surprised that the PC didn't immediately switch to BR.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

PC has always led the way? Maybe in terms of graphics and online gaming, but that is about it I think. The way I remember it, consoles were the first to really jump on the use of CDs for gaming as a standard medium. And I think Sims 2 was one of the first games to come out on DVD for PC and that was long after the PS2/Saturn were released using DVD standard for gaming.

So really, when it comes to the actual medium, the discs, PC has always been behind consoles

ZIMdoom

I agree that there is a reason. I just found it funny that PC always been late to switch to new formats in a more standard way and yet he seems surprised that the PC didn't immediately switch to BR.

HD > Blu-Ray.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Not so much behind as in not in a position to really need it. See, the consoles then lacked hard drives so needed all their data on the disc ready to go. With a PC, where installation was the norm, that wasn't so critical.TheBigBadGRIM

I agree that there is a reason. I just found it funny that PC always been late to switch to new formats in a more standard way and yet he seems surprised that the PC didn't immediately switch to BR.

HD > Blu-Ray.

Mr_BillGates