Why I Gladly Pay 5 Bucks A Month For XBL

[QUOTE="vdastampede"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

u must not own a 360

shawn7324

xbox live is great for features and dlc but actual online gameplay has more to do with isp and net code use by devs

i would much rather have 1 more game per year than pay for xbox live

Cow_tipping

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="rp108"]

Yeah and so does PS3! The original response to my post was implying that PSN does not use P2P or have advertisements and it does.

rp108

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="vdastampede"] I'm seriously confused about this. What the hell is XBL getting that PSN is not getting that makes it worth that hilarious $50 a year you all pay for?Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="shawn7324"] First off I've not paid more than $30 a year for Xbox Live. There isn't much difference between the 2, however I must pay the $30 a year to game online with my 360. With Xbox Live I have way bigger communities for each game, can play with all my local XBL friends, & get to use the Xbox 360 controller. I also game on PC & PS3, yet I still don't mind paying for XBL.shawn7324

[QUOTE="vdastampede"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

u must not own a 360

shawn7324

Whether you pay $30 or $60 you're still giving away free money. They're charging you to use your isp on the system. Online gaming should included with Xbl silver but since people like you enjoy paying, I'm sure that won't be changing no time soon. Enjoy being ripped off.:P

[QUOTE="rp108"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Therefore it's sort of a rip off to pay for something you can get for free. And Live has ads for non gaming related material which other companies pay them for, psn self promotes. big difference.Zero_epyon

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

[QUOTE="rp108"]

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Well you go ahead and pay more for XBL ove the console's lifetime ($300 for 6 years ) than you actually payed for the console. Go right ahead.

Oh, yeah it is completely awsome you and the 20 million other users are giving one of the planets richest corporations 1 billion dollars extra a year, that is great.

micky4889

Don't worry, PS3 users will be paying for PSN soon. Of course I won't, I will sell my PS3 before that happens. Not going to pay for an inferior service.

Unless the PC cease to exist, you already are ;)

Does PC stand for Personal Console? Didn't realize that. Thanks.

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="rp108"]

Don't worry, PS3 users will be paying for PSN soon. Of course I won't, I will sell my PS3 before that happens. Not going to pay for an inferior service.

rp108

Unless the PC cease to exist, you already are ;)

Does PC stand for Personal Console? Didn't realize that. Thanks.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] This is fine because it becomes almost necessary. My friends have PSN so it works out well for all of us. However, if all of your friends are on live then what's a lonely gamer to do? I just don't like how people claim that Live is so much better BECAUSE they pay for it. I paid for a samsung tv. does it make it any better than a toshiba with the same specs?

Zero_epyon

I wasn't trying to start an additional argument here, sorry about that. I've just had completely great experiences with Samsung TVs & Monitors.

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

[QUOTE="rp108"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Therefore it's sort of a rip off to pay for something you can get for free. And Live has ads for non gaming related material which other companies pay them for, psn self promotes. big difference.Zero_epyon

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

Is understanding preferences that hard? You are acting like that PSN and Xbox Live are the same. They are not. I prefer Xbox Live and find it superior starting with interfaces right down to features.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="shawn7324"] Well yeah it does, the Samsung will last a lot longer.shawn7324

I wasn't trying to start an additional argument here, sorry about that. I've just had completely great experiences with Samsung TVs & Monitors.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="rp108"]

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

shawn7324

Why is sony so dense about giving that feature. Them missing that is the reason I say live is a bit better.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="rp108"]

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

rp108

Is understanding preferences that hard? You are acting like that PSN and Xbox Live are the same. They are not. I prefer Xbox Live and find it superior starting with interfaces right down to features.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]

The lack of a basic understanding of economics in SW never ceases to amaze me.

Yes, it does, or they wouldn't have purchased it. If they are a "massive Halo fan" and purchased Gold to play Halo online, they obviously value it.

Value is always going to be relative to the person. There is no need to justify what you value. There is no need justify why you bought a PS3 at $600 or a Wii or a $1000 gaming computer.

yoyo462001

No one values live at that price, they pay that price because that is what M$ charges, it's got nothing to do with how the customer values it, its that they have no other alternative to play the 360 online. I've paid for Live to play Battlefield and i didnt think the price was justified, i now play it on PSN and there is no difference in the service. If silver accounts had free online gaming, do you think people would still value paying for a gold account? i highly doubt it.

Heres a scenario; If you wanted a drink of water and there was a drinking fountain next to a bottled water machine, you'd value paying for that water because the big flashy sign says its better? thats all M$ is doing, telling the Live community that they're paying because its a better service and that the money is going towards improving said service when in reality its really not that much better in terms of $ value. Just think, the billions of $$ you all gave M$ just paid for facebook, twitter and avatar pets (but you still have to pay for them) sounds like good value LMFAO

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Ever heard of buyers remorse? Where do you think that term came from? dachase

No one values live at that price, they pay that price because that is what M$ charges, it's got nothing to do with how the customer values it, its that they have no other alternative to play the 360 online. I've paid for Live to play Battlefield and i didnt think the price was justified, i now play it on PSN and there is no difference in the service. If silver accounts had free online gaming, do you think people would still value paying for a gold account? i highly doubt it.

Heres a scenario; If you wanted a drink of water and there was a drinking fountain next to a bottled water machine, you'd value paying for that water because the big flashy sign says its better? thats all M$ is doing, telling the Live community that they're paying because its a better service and that the money is going towards improving said service when in reality its really not that much better in terms of $ value. Just think, the billions of $$ you all gave M$ just paid for facebook, twitter and avatar pets (but you still have to pay for them) sounds like good value LMFAO

[QUOTE="shawn7324"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] What's so hard about psn? Make an account add you're friends, play your game. Is there something I'm missing?finalfantasy94

Why is sony so dense about giving that feature. Them missing that is the reason I say live is a bit better.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="rp108"]

Except that just with interfaces alone the 360 is worlds above PS3. Also, PSN is missing features that Xbox Live has. So again, until PSN or Nintendos online passes Xbox Live in features, ease of use, and cost then I will pay less than $5 a month to enjoy online gaming without having to go through hurdles.

Is understanding preferences that hard? You are acting like that PSN and Xbox Live are the same. They are not. I prefer Xbox Live and find it superior starting with interfaces right down to features.

And yet... almost every single service that you are "paying" for is available to Silver members for free. Which means that $1 billion is going straight into MS's pockets, and not back into the system.

It isn't the amount... it is the principle. No one should have to "pay" for online gaming. Especially since it has been free on PC since it first came out in 1996 with Quake.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Ever heard of buyers remorse? Where do you think that term came from? dachase

No one values live at that price, they pay that price because that is what M$ charges, it's got nothing to do with how the customer values it, its that they have no other alternative to play the 360 online. I've paid for Live to play Battlefield and i didnt think the price was justified, i now play it on PSN and there is no difference in the service. If silver accounts had free online gaming, do you think people would still value paying for a gold account? i highly doubt it.

Heres a scenario; If you wanted a drink of water and there was a drinking fountain next to a bottled water machine, you'd value paying for that water because the big flashy sign says its better? thats all M$ is doing, telling the Live community that they're paying because its a better service and that the money is going towards improving said service when in reality its really not that much better in terms of $ value. Just think, the billions of $$ you all gave M$ just paid for facebook, twitter and avatar pets (but you still have to pay for them) sounds like good value LMFAO

And yet... almost every single service that you are "paying" for is available to Silver members for free. Which means that $1 billion is going straight into MS's pockets, and not back into the system.

It isn't the amount... it is the principle. No one should have to "pay" for online gaming. Especially since it has been free on PC since it first came out in 1996 with Quake.

foxhound_fox

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

[QUOTE="BeanTownBrown86"]

i dont mind paying for online play, but ever since i got rid of my 360 im not gonna lie, its been a breath of fresh air to not worry about fees for online play, seeing as how im not that big on playing online to begin with

tbone802

Yeah everyone wants it to be free, no one wants to spend money on it, however it is not free so therefore it is about the amount. The amount isn't so high that it's troublesome to stay on Live.

shawn7324

I really don't see why people do this.

I only own an Xbox 360, and even though I don't pay for Live (my older brother does) I know full well that the $50 a year isn't really worth it. The only reason why we insist on paying is because of the fact that we love the games on the 360, and to experience most games fully these days requires online play.

[QUOTE="shawn7324"] Yeah everyone wants it to be free, no one wants to spend money on it, however it is not free so therefore it is about the amount. The amount isn't so high that it's troublesome to stay on Live.

foxhound_fox

You pay 5 bucks a month? Where did you get that payment plan, I want it.

W1NGMAN-

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

You forgot to mention it's 0.6 cents an hour.

Meowmixxvi

Hehe just proving a point.

If you multiply it by the 4 yrs people have been paying for XBL gold, that number jumps to $200. Enough to buy another console.:shock:

There are multiple services on the PC that provide the same features, do them better, and are free.

[QUOTE="vdastampede"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

u must not own a 360

chikenfriedrice

the only way to know is to experience it for urself...it really is the Xbox Live Experience

OK.....................??? I bet you won't buy anything at the movies because it should be cheaper right?shawn7324

I'll be enjoying gaming online via Xbox 360, PS3, & PC because I don't care about the principle of things. I'm so glad I'm not one whom freaks out over such things. You will have to buy a used game by the way, $25 to $30 won't get a new one sorry.

shawn7324

And yet... almost every single service that you are "paying" for is available to Silver members for free. Which means that $1 billion is going straight into MS's pockets, and not back into the system.

It isn't the amount... it is the principle. No one should have to "pay" for online gaming. Especially since it has been free on PC since it first came out in 1996 with Quake.

foxhound_fox

The party system isn't available to Silver account. Cross-game invites aren't either. Neither are Game with Fame, the community calendar, Gaming with devs or Community Playdates. Things like feedback and the efforts of Major Nelson, Trixie, Stephen Toulouse, and the XB Ambassadors really don't mean as much to Silver subscribers as they do to Gold. Then there's that unquantifiable way that Live and the interface is set up that's conducive to maintaining a community.

That's good enough for me to pay the fee. If I didn't think it was worth it, I could just as easily play more on my PS3. I'm not hurtin' for games or friends on there, but for the reasons above, I prefer to play on XBL.

Of course, mileage will vary, so no one system will please everyone.

Lol... The service is marginable better than PSN if that.Birdy09

Seriously....are u plaing the same PSN as I do. Live is more advanced in huge ways.

All those features sound silly and trivial. Sorry. Multiplayer gaming was born free on the PC and thats the way it should remain.beekayjay

Except that the gaming environment and business model on PC has developed its own set of expectations for the past couple of decades. So no, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. An open platform with little to no standards is great for competition that drives down the price of services. At the same time, it loses platform-wide standardization and a sense of convenience and ease-of-use that usually entails. Console manufacturers enjoy the benefit of owning their platforms and can institute standards across the board. Yet, they lose things like freedom choice and competition.

So yeah, there's a balance each side strikes. And we, as consumers, will lean toward the solution that best fits our gaming needs. There really is no right or wrong here.

im glad your seein a return on your investment. Im sure you could apply the exact same scenario to all the RROD ... are you proud of that as well. MS is gettin 200$+ to put back toward you!!!!ColdfireTrilogy

as long as you are happy with it.

You pay for a game ($60) that game disk comes with the Online content in it... You just paid for the games with Online content included.

After buying that game you then pay for the privillage to access that game. With Live.

And if there is DLC for that game you will need to pay for that DLC or wait awhile to get it for free. EVEN if the developer wanted to give it away for free!!!

But as long as you know you are payingfor something you already paid for... thats fine with me. I just hope developers see that and take out the online content and charge for it sepratly so thoses who do not want to play it online should not have to pay for otehrs to play online..

But then agian I have never paid for live on Xbox or for games.. which I have a huge libarary on my HDD, same soon with Xbox 360 when I pick it up for less than $100.00 on Ebay or Craigslist.

1 billion dollars for P2P servers :lol:. PC gaming gets free dedicated servers, free mods, free themes, free downloadable content, even free games at times. We get loads of ways to communicate in game. All this for $0, and Its MUCH better than XBL. Seriously M$ justfound a way to make 100% profit right out of your pocket.

Cait__Sith

yea but poor developers ... they creat the content and their loyal fans do not get to benifit for the programers hard work unless their fans pay to play. The developers should not include the online content on live but as DLC that they pay for.

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]Lol... The service is marginable better than PSN if that.Squall18

Seriously....are u plaing the same PSN as I do. Live is more advanced in huge ways.

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

Hey TC, it's called the "search button". Use it the next time you post a thread that already been done hundreds of times over.

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

shadow8585

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

Brownesque

Also known as $5 a month.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Ever heard of buyers remorse? Where do you think that term came from? dachase

No one values live at that price, they pay that price because that is what M$ charges, it's got nothing to do with how the customer values it, its that they have no other alternative to play the 360 online. I've paid for Live to play Battlefield and i didnt think the price was justified, i now play it on PSN and there is no difference in the service. If silver accounts had free online gaming, do you think people would still value paying for a gold account? i highly doubt it.

Heres a scenario; If you wanted a drink of water and there was a drinking fountain next to a bottled water machine, you'd value paying for that water because the big flashy sign says its better? thats all M$ is doing, telling the Live community that they're paying because its a better service and that the money is going towards improving said service when in reality its really not that much better in terms of $ value. Just think, the billions of $$ you all gave M$ just paid for facebook, twitter and avatar pets (but you still have to pay for them) sounds like good value LMFAO

'Your basis is that because YOU dont not value live at that price hence EVERYONE who buys live also does not not value it at that price, so in conclusion live isnt worth it. i suppose if someone accepts that you decide what is valuable for the entire world then logically the conclusion fits, but anyone with decent intelligence wouldnt accept that. 'buyer remorse' on the scale of millions, thats funny.'

Unless you feel like prove the whole of demand and supply economic theory wrong i suggest you stop making yourself look foolish. no offence but your a poster whos projecting his views onto the entire world whilst i am showing you what economics says about this. imo Economics thoery >>>> what you think. Can someone who is arguing against please show me compelling arguments against Economic theory of utility and demand and supply, if you cant, your just spouting out non-sense/ your opinion which is fine, but hatt makes any point you think was valid, totally invalid.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="shadow8585"]

I gladly pay my 5 bucks a month, also known as 16 cents a day. As a matter of fact, by bending over and picking up change throughout the month, it basically pays for itself! But not only that. The real benefit of my $5 a month is the fact that everyone else I play with is paying 5 bucks a month. I am one of 15-20 MILLION people paying that fee. That is over $1B a year in extra revenue for Microsoft and through the overall better service of XBL, I along with every other 360 online gamer, most definitely see my return.

789shadow

Also known as $5 a month.

13 months for $39....

Also known as $3 a month