why IMO smash brothers melee is the best fighting game ever

Ive played nearly every fighting game that i have heard of or seen.. i've played mortal combat, tekken, virtual fighter, and many many more. They all have a few things in common .. most games besides naruto style games rarely used any items.. in playing these games you always knew when you were going to die due to the biggest difference... the health bar was removed from smash games and was replaced with a % bar that represented how far u could be thrown or knocked off

in smash items gave the game great diversity and added a new complex system to the fighting genre. The game was capable of being played by casual but definately accomodated to hardcore players. Not only did items require precise timing, accuracy, and positioning but there was a way to counter this besides avoiding or blocking the items. any character can could reflect items if they mastered there shield and many characters had counters such as marios cape or fox's reflector or mewto's pyschic reflect. Items greatly helped progress the game and gave the game a feeling that the environment is alive and you can use what is there... moving onto next point of environment.

Yes some games have utilized environmental changes to the level but it rarely effects or has a chance of causing an upset as it does in smash. Level such as pokemon level or brinstar level are levels that change. There are also interactive levels such as kirbys level where the wind blows u or star fox's level where the airplanes interact as well... all making a upset possible... now for the most important factor that gives smash the edge over any other fighting game ... the % bar > hp bar

The % bar adds a whole new level to the fighting genre that has never been matched before. For me personally in games such as mortal combat or virtual fighter or tekken... the idea of knowing if i am hit by anything i will die drives me crazy. in Smash you could die at 80% or u could die at 300%... it all depends on what you do.. doesn't matter how much damage you've taken you could keep going. the idea that you control your own fate is wat gives this game the edge... you could take weak hits all you want as lon gas you avoid the smash attacks/grab attacks/ etc you could live... this is what gives smash the edge..

the replay value for smash (for me) is equal if not greater then halo... hopefully brawl will be online >=)

thoughts/comments 

My god, who's publishing that novel? Sum it up in a nice (insert console name here) sucks/rocks statement.

Personally I think SSB is the 2nd best fighting game ever, after the original MK.

What the hell is wrong with GS users?  You can't read a couple of paragraphs?  How do you pass English in high school?Vax45

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters. 

What the hell is wrong with GS users? You can't read a couple of paragraphs? How did you pass English?Vax45

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters.

dave_ps3

yes because characters in tekken aren't animal like and are realistic in mortal kombat when they do there finish  moves.. or in fact any of there movies ... lmao 

Superb game, but Street Fighter 2 Turbo is still the best. But can you imagine that NONE of my friends like SSBM? Crazy...PostNuclear

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever?  NOT true.   I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever.  Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

Graphics and textures have nothing to do with the TC's point.

I think you've proved a lot of points..

[QUOTE="dave_ps3"]

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters.

eqrk

yes because characters in tekken aren't animal like and are realistic in mortal kombat when they do there finish moves.. or in fact any of there movies ... lmao

That made no sense. Who made movies ? 

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

[QUOTE="Vax45"]What the hell is wrong with GS users? You can't read a couple of paragraphs? How did you pass English?Luigi_Vincetana

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

Luigi_Vincetana

It's definitely the most unique fighting game ever.

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

Fake boy or what? 

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

How much value can I have for a person to even say smash is the best fighter? It's beyond me to see a great game called the best due to it's popularity. Do you even know what the basic concept of fighting is? High, Mid, Low, attacks. Rock, paper, scissors. That is a fighter in which Super Smash Bros do not have. Please do not compare smash to other fighters. You'll only look like the noob you are if you do so.Socrates88

lol you have some weird idea of what fighting games are about. I'm no fighting expert but I've never played one which has anything to do with rock paper scissors. And anyway, you must be incredibly narrow-minded to bash on smash bros just because it's not the same as other fighting games. I mean, what would have happened if people took that mentality when half life came out: "lol, FPS games are about shoot, take cover, reload. No FPS can have a story or puzzles lol. flop 5.0". I don't think so. 

Sheep are too generic blah balha blah best fighter is Smash Bros balh balhhsraskullibur

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]How much value can I have for a person to even say smash is the best fighter? It's beyond me to see a great game called the best due to it's popularity. Do you even know what the basic concept of fighting is? High, Mid, Low, attacks. Rock, paper, scissors. That is a fighter in which Super Smash Bros do not have. Please do not compare smash to other fighters. You'll only look like the noob you are if you do so.chutup

lol you have some weird idea of what fighting games are about. I'm no fighting expert but I've never played one which has anything to do with rock paper scissors. And anyway, you must be incredibly narrow-minded to bash on smash bros just because it's not the same as other fighting games. I mean, what would have happened if people took that mentality when half life came out: "lol, FPS games are about shoot, take cover, reload. No FPS can have a story or puzzles lol. flop 5.0". I don't think so.

Bash Smash? I called it a great game and yet I bash it? Yes, it's obivous you not a fighter expert to not realize the concept is like paper, rock, scissors. High beats mid, mid beats low, low beats high. I like Smash, but comparing it to traditional fighters is just silly. I expect a general purpose forum to say or do such irrational things, but when I see them I should set them straight. Let's make this clear Smash is a very great game. I'm glad the idea was brought up and hope it will continue to grow; however, lets not get out of hand and compare it to series that have lasted twice it existence.

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

Luigi_Vincetana

It's not even a fighting game.  It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items. 

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

It's not even a fighting game. It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items.

NobuoMusicMaker

i laugh when i hear sheep saying "but SSBM had a HUGE fanbase! more than 4 million!!"

and thats HUGE? :lol: bring something in the order of the SF or MK numbers, oh wait.....actually wayyy too much people has played SF to be measured 

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not even a fighting game. It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items.

Luigi_Vincetana

There's a pretty huge difference between an ariel type combo between say SC vs SSB. You know he's right. And I've never really thought of it in that way. A platform hack'n slack. Interesting way of putting it. Makes more sense. Although having 4 players fighting at once is a bonus.

Only sheep think this and or agree with it.

Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Killer Instinct, Virtua Fighter, and Soul Caliber prove you wrong. I swear Nintendo makes ONE game in a genre and sheep automatically call it the best over every other game.

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not even a fighting game. It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items.

hotdaisy18

There's a pretty huge difference between an ariel type combo between say SC vs SSB. You know he's right. And I've never really thought of it in that way. A platform hack'n slack. Interesting way of putting it. Makes more sense. Although having 4 players fighting at once is a bonus.

I came up with the concept back in the first SSB.  It was blatantly obvious.  I fought on this issue with System Wars and Gamefaqs PotD many times.  Fighting games is a game of skill, reaction, and timed comboing.  You can win games in SSB by cheap tricks and collecting items.

Yeah, party fighter is what I usually call it.  It's like Power Stones would fall in the same category.  It's just not THEE fighting game genre.  And it pisses me off because Nintendo takes a genre, kiddifies it with simplistic gameplay and everyone starts to say it's the best game of that genre when it doesn't even fit the category.  I view this the same with those Mario sports games and Mario Kart.  Mario Kart is not a freaking racing game along with Initial D, GT, Forza though I have less trouble proving that since it is more obvious to fanboys than SSB to fighting games.

[QUOTE="hotdaisy18"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not even a fighting game. It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items.

NobuoMusicMaker

There's a pretty huge difference between an ariel type combo between say SC vs SSB. You know he's right. And I've never really thought of it in that way. A platform hack'n slack. Interesting way of putting it. Makes more sense. Although having 4 players fighting at once is a bonus.

I came up with the concept back in the first SSB. It was blatantly obvious. I fought on this issue with System Wars and Gamefaqs PotD many times. Fighting games is a game of skill, reaction, and timed comboing. You can win games in SSB by cheap tricks and collecting items.

Yeah, party fighter is what I usually call it. It's like Power Stones would fall in the same category. It's just not THEE fighting game genre. And it pisses me off because Nintendo takes a genre, kiddifies it with simplistic gameplay and everyone starts to say it's the best game of that genre when it doesn't even fit the category. I view this the same with those Mario sports games and Mario Kart. Mario Kart is not a freaking racing game along with Initial D, GT, Forza though I have less trouble proving that since it is more obvious to fanboys than SSB to fighting games.

Get over yourself man. Super Smash Brothers is an amazing fighting game that is pretty much a different sub genre of fighting like 3D fighters are to 2D fighters. Its good, it takes skill, and no button mashing does not win unless well you are a total rookie at the game. But right now I'm too busy to worry about Smash its all about 3rd Strike, the game I should have played a Decade ago but never realized it. 

[QUOTE="hotdaisy18"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

It's not even a fighting game. It's a platform hack and slash.

Real fighting games don't involve jumping around or collecting items.

NobuoMusicMaker

There's a pretty huge difference between an ariel type combo between say SC vs SSB. You know he's right. And I've never really thought of it in that way. A platform hack'n slack. Interesting way of putting it. Makes more sense. Although having 4 players fighting at once is a bonus.

I came up with the concept back in the first SSB. It was blatantly obvious. I fought on this issue with System Wars and Gamefaqs PotD many times. Fighting games is a game of skill, reaction, and timed comboing. You can win games in SSB by cheap tricks and collecting items.

Yeah, party fighter is what I usually call it. It's like Power Stones would fall in the same category. It's just not THEE fighting game genre. And it pisses me off because Nintendo takes a genre, kiddifies it with simplistic gameplay and everyone starts to say it's the best game of that genre when it doesn't even fit the category. I view this the same with those Mario sports games and Mario Kart. Mario Kart is not a freaking racing game along with Initial D, GT, Forza though I have less trouble proving that since it is more obvious to fanboys than SSB to fighting games.

i completly agree and i like what you called it a party fighter i mean there is just 0 depth to ssb  

i happen to think thats every fighting game beats ssb only thing thats makes it such a good game is the fun you have when you play with 4 people but when i had that game and played it by myself i had to get off after about an hourGen007

Yeah playing by yourself in any fighting game isn't fun. The whole point is to play against others for competitions sake. 

i completly agree and i like what you called it a party fighter i mean there is just 0 depth to ssb  Gen007

It has no depth?:lol:

Oh,you're serious.:|

Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike is.

Then Capcom versus SNK 2: Mark of the Millenium 

Then Soul Caliber III: Arcade Edition

THEN Super Smash Bros. Melee :)