why IMO smash brothers melee is the best fighting game ever

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

So Final Fantasy X-2 is a fighting game because you fight enemies? Hell you can even do chain combos. Maybe you consider Oblivion to be a fighting game because you swing swords and fist, block and sidestep attacking. Hell Riddick does that too. There's a huge difference between genre and element of a game. Fighting =/= Genre.

Dencore

Seriously you give the worst examples imaginable.

Final Fantasy X-2 is an JRPG since it focus's on single player, status, and leveling up. Riddick is a First Person Shooter because the main premise is to kill enemies with guns. Seriously Smash is a fighting game since it's just you versus other people on a single screen just fighting one another. There's no story, no exploration, no leveling up, nothing. However it is much different then others such as Guilty Gear or King of Fighters so we'll label it as a "brawler" a sub-genre of the fighting game genre.

There's platforming.  So back to my original statement, a platform hack and slash.  Nintendo games never have story so that point is moot.  So how about boxing games?  You're fighting, no story, no exploration, no level up, fits your "criteria".  Well, it's your opinion.  I guess you think Megaman's a fighting game because well, one of the Megaman games had the SSB type style of versus.

But of course, it's not. 

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]too long and no. SC > SSB. Blackbond

Wow just wow. SC = Best button masher whoever can dial in the combo the fastest wins? Last I checked a combo input wasn't slamming on the buttons and hoping you get what you want to do. Your post fails big time.

Tekken is too much juggling without any viable way to counter imo. In SF 3rd strike, you can practically counter or reverse any move. However, I still love Tekken, and think it's a legit fighting game.

Dark Stalkers = watered down SNK game

Power Stone is amazingly fun, but isn't even close to the level of smash bros.

And smash has all those "actual fighting moves".
Jabs (basic 'A' tap)
throws ('Z' and shield grabing)
jumping kicks (every character can do at least one jumping kick...)

the bottom line is that SSB has everything a regular fighter does and more. It's percentage system for damage is ingenius and creates an innumerable amount of possibilities for combos.

here, check out this video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd1FFTsecW4

and that;s just mewtwo!

xxxxThe_GoaTxxx

Hmm I missed this post.

"actual fighting moves" = QCF+Light punch.  There in SSB? No.

The fact is that SSB streamlined the difficulty into one button moves that it's not a fighting game anymore.  A direction + A = special move.  That's crap.  When I do a 24 hit combo in KoF2K, I input 20 directions and 12 buttons. 

[QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"]

Tekken is too much juggling without any viable way to counter imo. In SF 3rd strike, you can practically counter or reverse any move. However, I still love Tekken, and think it's a legit fighting game.

Dark Stalkers = watered down SNK game

Power Stone is amazingly fun, but isn't even close to the level of smash bros.

And smash has all those "actual fighting moves".
Jabs (basic 'A' tap)
throws ('Z' and shield grabing)
jumping kicks (every character can do at least one jumping kick...)

the bottom line is that SSB has everything a regular fighter does and more. It's percentage system for damage is ingenius and creates an innumerable amount of possibilities for combos.

here, check out this video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd1FFTsecW4

and that;s just mewtwo!

NobuoMusicMaker

Hmm I missed this post.

"actual fighting moves" = QCF+Light punch.  There in SSB? No.

The fact is that SSB streamlined the difficulty into one button moves that it's not a fighting game anymore.  A direction + A = special move.  That's crap.  When I do a 24 hit combo in KoF2K, I input 20 directions and 12 buttons. 

[QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"]

Tekken is too much juggling without any viable way to counter imo. In SF 3rd strike, you can practically counter or reverse any move. However, I still love Tekken, and think it's a legit fighting game.

Dark Stalkers = watered down SNK game

Power Stone is amazingly fun, but isn't even close to the level of smash bros.

And smash has all those "actual fighting moves".
Jabs (basic 'A' tap)
throws ('Z' and shield grabing)
jumping kicks (every character can do at least one jumping kick...)

the bottom line is that SSB has everything a regular fighter does and more. It's percentage system for damage is ingenius and creates an innumerable amount of possibilities for combos.

here, check out this video ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd1FFTsecW4

and that;s just mewtwo!

NobuoMusicMaker

Hmm I missed this post.

"actual fighting moves" = QCF+Light punch. There in SSB? No.

The fact is that SSB streamlined the difficulty into one button moves that it's not a fighting game anymore. A direction + A = special move. That's crap. When I do a 24 hit combo in KoF2K, I input 20 directions and 12 buttons.

Im gonna tell you a secret. You dont have to press QCF+ punch For a game to be considered a fighting game. *gasps* Notice, specials in super smash do one or two hits. Specials in KoF have the ability to do multiple hits. You're just some fanyboy who refuses to accept the fact that SSBM is a great fighting game. Why would it be in MLG if it wasnt? Why would it be in EVO if it wasnt. Your logic fails.

PS: Learning to wavedash took more time than learning to parry in 3rd Strike and learning to do infinite combos in MVC2 combined. 

[QUOTE="RedLobsterpwns"][QUOTE="dave_ps3"]

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters.

Hater3000

That was a pretty idiotic considering that in tekken you can play as a panda, bear, or kangaroo. In Mortal Kombat you can play as an animal as well(reptile). Soul Calibur isnt that realistic considering the fact that you can hold swords over twice the size of your character. Virtual Fighter, well, thats pretty realistic, compared to other fighters. Overall, no fighters are remotely close to being realistic.

Virtua fighter?,Since when Jumping in the moon is realistic characteristic for a fighting game?.

If i have to say something is that i hate the jumps in Virtua fighter and tekken.MK handle jumps a lot better.

Sorry, i never played Virtua Fighter. I was just assuming because from the screenshots i've seen it doesnt have like 300 hit combos ect.

That's his point. SSBM has a level of simplicity on the top, so that casuals and non-gamers can enjoy it, but underneath is a hardcore fighting game that has infinite depth. What would you rather do? Dial in a ten button combo, then watch your character carry the attack out for the next ten minutes, or actually make your own combo of moves, where your character onscreen actually responds to the buttons pressed the instant you press them? Its a matter of having direct control over your character, or pressing a combo of buttons to watch your character do a combo completely unrealted to the buttons you pressed after you press them hamstergeddon

Dial in a ten button combo.... wah?  As one of the first to start finding out infinites for KoF games, there is no set combo.  Real fighting games are long gone from the jump kick, crouch foward (med kick) and fireball.

Watching some guy flying in the air because of high percentage, which allows too much time to react, and juggling them isn't complicated at all. 

Im gonna tell you a secret. You dont have to press QCF+ punch For a game to be considered a fighting game. *gasps* Notice, specials in super smash do one or two hits. Specials in KoF have the ability to do multiple hits. You're just some fanyboy who refuses to accept the fact that SSBM is a great fighting game. Why would it be in MLG if it wasnt? Why would it be in EVO if it wasnt. Your logic fails.

PS: Learning to wavedash took more time than learning to parry in 3rd Strike and learning to do infinite combos in MVC2 combined.

RedLobsterpwns

So stuff like QCF+Punch doesn't make the fighting game criteria eh?  I guess MGS, DMC, Oblivion, God of War also make the list to be a fighting game.

Seriously, I've been through this point.  You want to wreck genres, I'm trying to save them. 

[QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="molinex"]

How about this?

DoctorBunny

KI was fun, but unbelievably broken. Orchid = God in that game.

Rare needs to bring it to current gen...

And fox is too good in melee. I can kill anyone in about 5-10 seconds on any level with him over and over no matter who it is. your point?

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

rofl 

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

oback

rofl 

There's platforming. So back to my original statement, a platform hack and slash. Nintendo games never have story so that point is moot. So how about boxing games? You're fighting, no story, no exploration, no level up, fits your "criteria". Well, it's your opinion. I guess you think Megaman's a fighting game because well, one of the Megaman games had the SSB type style of versus.

But of course, it's not.

NobuoMusicMaker

Again with your ridiculous reasoning, how in the hell does that disprove my statement?

You still fight someone in one single screen/level, soley concentrating on defeating an enemy, fight hand to handor something similar to it it's a fighting game.

By your logic Street Fighter  isn't a fighting game but a shoot-em-up.

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters. 

dave_ps3

Funny coz I'd say Smash Bros is one of the more intense and violent fighting games out there.

I mean MK was violent, but honestly those games are so mediocre that the poorly displayed blood and the same old fatality on spikes isn't so real and realistic as it is comedic and a parody of its former self to me.

And, how is something else more realistic to you? All of it is fictional and the developers can portray their characters in anyway they please, thus you can't define realistic. Is it that you want it to be more like a bar fight? If want 1080p fighting games just say it.

And Samus can kick anyones' ass from those other fighters, Link most of them, and well,... we do have Solid Snake now.

[QUOTE="dave_ps3"]

Tekken + Soul Calibur shat all over SM from a very high distance.

Infact I'd even go as far as saying Virtual Fighter and Mortal Kombat do aswell.

However I do prefer realistic fighting games than ones with little animals and childish characters. 

darth-pyschosis

Funny coz I'd say Smash Bros is one of the more intense and violent fighting games out there.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]Funny coz I'd say Smash Bros is one of the more intense and violent fighting games out there. DireToad

It may not be violent,but it certainly is intense.

Smash Brothers Melee best fighting game ever? NOT true. I would say Virtua Fighter 5 for PS3 is the best fighting game ever. Better graphics, textures, gameplay, EVERYTHING out performs Melee.

SergeantSnitch

Yes, but is it fun? 

No 

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]
That's his point. SSBM has a level of simplicity on the top, so that casuals and non-gamers can enjoy it, but underneath is a hardcore fighting game that has infinite depth. What would you rather do? Dial in a ten button combo, then watch your character carry the attack out for the next ten minutes, or actually make your own combo of moves, where your character onscreen actually responds to the buttons pressed the instant you press them? Its a matter of having direct control over your character, or pressing a combo of buttons to watch your character do a combo completely unrealted to the buttons you pressed after you press them NobuoMusicMaker

Dial in a ten button combo.... wah? As one of the first to start finding out infinites for KoF games, there is no set combo. Real fighting games are long gone from the jump kick, crouch foward (med kick) and fireball.

Watching some guy flying in the air because of high percentage, which allows too much time to react, and juggling them isn't complicated at all.

Im gonna tell you a secret. You dont have to press QCF+ punch For a game to be considered a fighting game. *gasps* Notice, specials in super smash do one or two hits. Specials in KoF have the ability to do multiple hits. You're just some fanyboy who refuses to accept the fact that SSBM is a great fighting game. Why would it be in MLG if it wasnt? Why would it be in EVO if it wasnt. Your logic fails.

PS: Learning to wavedash took more time than learning to parry in 3rd Strike and learning to do infinite combos in MVC2 combined.

RedLobsterpwns

So stuff like QCF+Punch doesn't make the fighting game criteria eh? I guess MGS, DMC, Oblivion, God of War also make the list to be a fighting game.

Seriously, I've been through this point. You want to wreck genres, I'm trying to save them.

So categorizing games as genre's they are not and complaining about nintendo on forums is saving the gaming industry? No Those games are not fighting games. Last time i checked those werent listed under fighting games on gamespot. Gamespot does list super smash as a fighting game, look it up if you dont believe me. QCF+punch does NOT make a fighting game. I can do a hadoken in Megaman x 1 and a shoryuken in megman x 2.Does that make them  fighting games? you fail. Try again next time.

Fun game? Yes. Great game? Yes.

Best fighting game ever? :lol: No!!!

Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, Capcom vs Snk 2, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Tekken 5, Virtua Fighter 4/5, Guilty Gear XX Reloaded/Slash, Super Street Fighter II: Turbo, Garou: Mark of the Wolves and King of Fighters XI say otherwise.

Best fighting game ever? Wow are you kidding me?

I guess people have no value for the ****c, and still best, fighting game Super Street Fighter II: Turbo. I doubt the depth in SSBM even comes close, if there is any.Rubedo

LOL, i lost all respect for the so called "depth" in SF2 once i saw some of the pro matches. All the people do is tiger shot low a varied speeds. But SF2 was a great game. It inspired so many great fighting games. And yes, Super Smash Melee can compete with the depth of SF2 Turbo.