Why is it GTAIV and Halo 3 launched with plenty of copies on the shelves...

I KNOW they don't, because it's one of the stupidest strategies to implement. Unless the shortage is very short and very limited, it has an even greater chance of backfiring than it does of succeeding, because deprivation linevitably eads to discontent with the providers, and discontent leads to a LOSS of demand. Have you ever heard the fable of the fox and the grapevine? People will only wait so long and try so hard to get what they want. After that, they convince themselves that they never wanted it in the first place.mjarantilla

By that logic, if MS and Sony made less product, they could sell as much as the Wii, right? People convieniently forget that the Wii outsells the PS3 and 360 combined month after month, yet Nintendo is holding back. My butt.travt-down

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I KNOW they don't, because it's one of the stupidest strategies to implement. Unless the shortage is very short and very limited, it has an even greater chance of backfiring than it does of succeeding, because deprivation linevitably eads to discontent with the providers, and discontent leads to a LOSS of demand. Have you ever heard the fable of the fox and the grapevine? People will only wait so long and try so hard to get what they want. After that, they convince themselves that they never wanted it in the first place.DireToad

By that logic, if MS and Sony made less product, they could sell as much as the Wii, right? People convieniently forget that the Wii outsells the PS3 and 360 combined month after month, yet Nintendo is holding back. My butt.travt-down

makes perfect sense.....

You've got to be joking.

And my theory is the simplest theory: they simply can't manufacture enough boards. How hard is that to understand? Nintendo is under the BIGGEST pressure of all three companies to deliver hardware BY FAR. They're making over three million DSes a month, almost 2.5 million Wiis a month, GOD KNOWS how many Wiimotes a month, and now you expect them to deliver untold millions of balance boards in the span of a few weeks?

Unlike Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft DO NOT OWN their own factories. They have to rely on outsourcing to get the manufacturing capabilities, and even that takes time and money.

For God's sake, people, THINK a bit before you speak.

mjarantilla

But Wii fit can't?

Two of the biggest games this gen made sure you could find a copy almost anywhere even on launch day. But Wii Fit is sold out and selling for ridiculous prices on ebay. What is going on here?

Bread_or_Decide

That is not true, it depends much on how high demand is in just your area. I had pre-order GTA IV but didnt get it at launch day.

I have no problem to buy Wii-fit if i wanted to.

Nintendo is already making more than their yearly predictions with the Wii. They don't need more money than they're already making.DireToad

Now you're suggesting that businesses are based on making only enough money as they need rather than want?

Stop staring at your sig all the time. It's making your head go wonky. :lol:

It's only smart of them to prolong the popularity of the Wii by creating false demand and buzz around it. They don't want to saturate the market and let their product become just another product.DireToad

It's NOT buzz anymore. Buzz is transitory and temporary, that's why intentional long-term shortages don't work. Nintendo knows, just like anyone with any sense knows, that popularity is its own best PR. People want the Wii because it's popular, NOT because it's hard to find. The same was true of the PS1, the PS2, and the iPod, and it's true with the Wii. If Nintendo wants the Wii's popularity to last, then it is BY FAR in their best interests to make sure that they get as many out there as possible as fast as possible, NOT to cause shortages.

Again, THINK.

People may get discontent after a while but they will fall back in love with the product when the next Wii Fit or Wii whatever hits the stores.DireToad

That's not how it works, genius. Read above.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Nintendo is already making more than their yearly predictions with the Wii. They don't need more money than they're already making.mjarantilla

Now you're suggesting that businesses are based on making only enough money as they need rather than want?

Stop staring at your sig all the time. It's making your head go wonky. :lol:

It's only smart of them to prolong the popularity of the Wii by creating false demand and buzz around it. They don't want to saturate the market and let their product become just another product.DireToad

It's NOT buzz anymore. Buzz is transitory and temporary, that's why intentional long-term shortages don't work. Nintendo knows, just like anyone with any sense knows, that popularity is its own best PR. People want the Wii because it's popular, NOT because it's hard to find. The same was true of the PS1, the PS2, and the iPod, and it's true with the Wii. If Nintendo wants the Wii's popularity to last, then it is BY FAR in their best interests to make sure that they get as many out there as possible as fast as possible, NOT to cause shortages.

Again, THINK.

People may get discontent after a while but they will fall back in love with the product when the next Wii Fit or Wii whatever hits the stores.DireToad

That's not how it works, genius. Read above.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You've got to be joking.

And my theory is the simplest theory: they simply can't manufacture enough boards. How hard is that to understand? Nintendo is under the BIGGEST pressure of all three companies to deliver hardware BY FAR. They're making over three million DSes a month, almost 2.5 million Wiis a month, GOD KNOWS how many Wiimotes a month, and now you expect them to deliver untold millions of balance boards in the span of a few weeks?

Unlike Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft DO NOT OWN their own factories. They have to rely on outsourcing to get the manufacturing capabilities, and even that takes time and money.

For God's sake, people, THINK a bit before you speak.

DireToad

dude, just get over it, you are screaming at the wind. there is no conspiracy.

you say they purposely shrink Wii supplies, yet the Wii has sold faster than any other console in history. can you put 1 and 1 together?

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You've got to be joking.

And my theory is the simplest theory: they simply can't manufacture enough boards. How hard is that to understand? Nintendo is under the BIGGEST pressure of all three companies to deliver hardware BY FAR. They're making over three million DSes a month, almost 2.5 million Wiis a month, GOD KNOWS how many Wiimotes a month, and now you expect them to deliver untold millions of balance boards in the span of a few weeks?

Unlike Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft DO NOT OWN their own factories. They have to rely on outsourcing to get the manufacturing capabilities, and even that takes time and money.

For God's sake, people, THINK a bit before you speak.

ogvampire

dude, just get over it, you are screaming at the wind. there is no conspiracy.

you say they purposely shrink Wii supplies, yet the Wii has sold faster than any other console in history. can you put 1 and 1 together?

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Um..wii fit has a huge ass accessory included with it incase you missed that.Bread_or_Decide

Guitar Hero III was huge. Plenty on the shelf. With an accessory in every box.

Not to mention Rock Band comes with even more stuff and was plentiful at launch.

Next excuse please.

They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?DireToad

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You've got to be joking.

And my theory is the simplest theory: they simply can't manufacture enough boards. How hard is that to understand? Nintendo is under the BIGGEST pressure of all three companies to deliver hardware BY FAR. They're making over three million DSes a month, almost 2.5 million Wiis a month, GOD KNOWS how many Wiimotes a month, and now you expect them to deliver untold millions of balance boards in the span of a few weeks?

Unlike Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft DO NOT OWN their own factories. They have to rely on outsourcing to get the manufacturing capabilities, and even that takes time and money.

For God's sake, people, THINK a bit before you speak.

DireToad

dude, just get over it, you are screaming at the wind. there is no conspiracy.

you say they purposely shrink Wii supplies, yet the Wii has sold faster than any other console in history. can you put 1 and 1 together?

read post above, he beat me to it

So you don't think that the fact that people can't find them anywhere doesn't contribute to its popularity?DireToad

I never said that. I'm saying that it's not nearly as effective as you think. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say that the buzz caused by the shortage is about 1/10 that of the buzz that would be created by extreme, iPod or DS-sty1e popularity. There is no incentive to Nintendo maintaining a shortage, so give it up.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

You've got to be joking.

And my theory is the simplest theory: they simply can't manufacture enough boards. How hard is that to understand? Nintendo is under the BIGGEST pressure of all three companies to deliver hardware BY FAR. They're making over three million DSes a month, almost 2.5 million Wiis a month, GOD KNOWS how many Wiimotes a month, and now you expect them to deliver untold millions of balance boards in the span of a few weeks?

Unlike Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft DO NOT OWN their own factories. They have to rely on outsourcing to get the manufacturing capabilities, and even that takes time and money.

For God's sake, people, THINK a bit before you speak.

DireToad

dude, just get over it, you are screaming at the wind. there is no conspiracy.

you say they purposely shrink Wii supplies, yet the Wii has sold faster than any other console in history. can you put 1 and 1 together?

Why do you STILL talk like it's something a company would even consider?

[QUOTE="DireToad"]They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?Jandurin

Isn't holding back supply to keep up demand an illegal business practice anyway?Eponique

It shouldn't have to be, because it's a stupid practice that no company in their right mind would willfully do.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?DireToad

still chasing the wind, huh...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="rockydog1111"]

It is to get the hype up. Ninty knows people want what they cant find. Just like the Wii still being soldout, they have to be able to meet demand this far into the life cycle. Thats my opinion anyways.

VladTheImpaler

The collective IQ of this place drops every time someone even suggests that companies are intentionally causing shortages. Unfortunately, as people get dumber from listening to the people who made that suggestion, they start to make that same suggestion themselves. It's a terrible, terrible cycle.

If they are not doing it to cause Hype, can you give another reason. It is make fun of other peoples theory's, but do you have one of your own. Companies do this all the time Nintendo is not the only one.

You make money by selling product not hype. It doesn't matter how much demand there is if you don't have the supply to generate revenue for yourself. The goal of a company wheather it Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo, is to make money. They can make more money by meeting demand instead of these conspiracy theories of intnetionaly limiting supply. That's why the hype theory can't be taken seriously.

Nintendo went from manufacturing 200,000 wiis a month at launch to more 2.5 million now. For a company that's significantly smaller than it rivals, production takes more than just fllipping a switch, especially when you consider that most of the wii's parts have to be supplied by multiple companies like IBM, ATI, and Ninteno's other technology partners.

Because there was a time when Ninteno needed to stop production of the GC for a few month, they are very cautious when it comes to meeting supply with out having a very embarrasing surplus. The balance board's ability to measure weight and detect movement makes it a pretty complicated pheripheral that's probably more difficult to manufacture than a GTA4 or Halo3 disk or a plastic guitar.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?DireToad

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?DireToad

Well, I notice you've started ignoring the arguments that have destroyed yours. Good job.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm

"Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price. "

Zip it, haters, you have been owned.

Wii shortages are short. Only idiots with shortages of brain cells believe the ****

If Wii had a high demand, then they would invest in bigger and more manfucturers. The reason they don't is because they cause the shortages on purpose to create more demand from desperate soccer mom's.

PullTheTricker

Dear God, the termites are coming out of the woodwork.

They HAVE invested in bigger and more manufacturers. Or did you miss the 50% jump in shipments they had last month? Or maybe you think it's EASY to convert whole factories to the production of a new product?

Wii shortages are fake. Only idiots with shortages of brain cells believe the ****

If Wii had a high demand, then they would invest in bigger and more manfucturers. The reason they don't is because they cause the shortages on purpose to create more demand from desperate soccer mom's.

PullTheTricker

Yeah, because they can increase supply at the snap of a finger :roll:

Read up on Iwata's Ask where he talks about Wii Supply & Demand. It takes about 6 months to improve production to target. And once the demand is satisfied and Wii sales slow down, it will take another 6 months to reduce the production, so there's a lot of Wiis sitting on shelves and that means less money for Nintendo.

C'mon people, this is stuff you're suppposed to learn in High School.

[QUOTE="PullTheTricker"]

Wii shortages are fake. Only idiots with shortages of brain cells believe the ****

If Wii had a high demand, then they would invest in bigger and more manfucturers. The reason they don't is because they cause the shortages on purpose to create more demand from desperate soccer mom's.

Eponique

Yeah, because they can increase supply at the snap of a finger :roll:

Read up on Iwata's Ask where he talks about Wii Supply & Demand. It takes about 6 months to improve production to target. And once the demand is satisfied and Wii sales slow down, it will take another 6 months to reduce the production, so there's a lot of Wiis sitting on shelves and that means less money for Nintendo.

C'mon people, this is stuff you're suppposed to learn in High School.

6 months you say?

Hmmm, that sounds familiar, doesn't it? Wasn't it about six months ago that Nintendo increased production to 1.8 million?

They HAVE invested in bigger and more manufacturers. Or did you miss the 50% jump in shipments they had last month? Or maybe you think it's EASY to convert whole factories to the production of a new product?

mjarantilla

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm

"Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price. "

Zip it, haters, you have been owned.

Eponique

They get free media coverage when the Wii Fit "is sold out everywhere".

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm

"Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price. "

Zip it, haters, you have been owned.

DireToad

It doesn't exist at all. The fact that you're not even bothering to counter my point about, oh, ten or twenty posts up anymore pretty much proves that you agree that it's a stupid strategy to begin with.

Price-fixing only works with a monopoly or a near-monopoly, which Nintendo does NOT have.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm

"Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price. "

Zip it, haters, you have been owned.

DireToad

Umm, backward thinking ftl?

HINT, it's illegal, if Nintendo were doing this illegal activity, they would have been fined by now. Guess why they haven't been fined/sued, because they're NOT intentionally holding back supply, if they were, they would have been fined.

Understand? Or do I have to explain further?

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/compguide/illegal.htm

"Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price. "

Zip it, haters, you have been owned.

Eponique

Umm, backward thinking ftl?

HINT, it's illegal, if Nintendo were doing this illegal activity, they would have been fined by now. Guess why they haven't been fined/sued, because they're NOT intentionally holding back supply, if they were, they would have been fined.

Understand? Or do I have to explain further?

Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?DireToad

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?Jandurin

Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?DireToad

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?Eponique

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?DireToad

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

Not when it makes no sense to do so.

But, of course, you'll just ignore me because you know I've already shot you down.

Nananananananananana, BATMAN!

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?DireToad

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

Then they would have been fined. :)

Multi million? Yes.DireToad

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?DireToad

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

Of course couldn't. Its his favourite company from his childhood. Thats what fanboyism does to you. You lose your common sense.

The biggest launch in intertainement history had absolutely no shortages at all. More investment into bigger production doesn't take a whole **** 2 years.

Of course couldn't. Its his favourite company from his childhood. Thats what fanboyism does to you. You lose your common sense.

The biggest launch in intertainement history had absolutely no shortages at all. More investment into bigger production doesn't take a whole **** 2 years.

PullTheTricker

Fanboys calling other people fanboys is irony and hypocrisy at its finest.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


Oh right it's true that multi million dollar companies don't break the law. :roll:

Tell me, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?PullTheTricker

Right, because ALL multi-million dollar companies break the law :roll:

Of course couldn't. Its his favourite company from his childhood. Thats what fanboyism does to you. You lose your common sense.

The biggest launch in intertainement history had absolutely no shortages at all. More investment into bigger production doesn't take a whole **** 2 years.

Who's the fanboy: The one advocating good business practice that leads to greater and longer profit for the company in question, or the one accusing the company of taking part in a business practice that ALWAYS leads to ruin?

I can only guess that your avatar is a self-portrait, because those are some damn big blinders its got on its face.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Multi million? Yes.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]Multi million? Yes.DireToad

You're straying from the argument. Misdirection is the tactic of the loser.

You're straying from the argument. Misdirection is the tactic of the loser.

mjarantilla

The funny thing is, he's still ignoring you :?

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]Multi million? Yes.mjarantilla

You're straying from the argument. Misdirection is the tactic of the loser.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]They can't sell a lot of Wiis and intentionally shrink supply at the same time?Jandurin

Correct. right now since they are selling at a rate faster than the ps2 it wouldn't be wise from them to invest in factories that would push production to be able to make 200million consoles for this generation. unless that's actually what they predict they will sell which is quite unlikely.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="DireToad"]Multi million? Yes.DireToad

You're straying from the argument. Misdirection is the tactic of the loser.

You've strayed from the argument of, "Is Nintendo intentionally causing shortages" by misdirecting everyone's attentions to, in your own words, "what (you thought) about multi million dollar companies."

Get back on track.

Oh wait, no, you can't, because I've already shown you how wrong you are, which is why you've ignored me since I shot down your argument.

Here's a recap:

"I never said that. I'm saying that it's not nearly as effective as you think. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say that the buzz caused by the shortage is about 1/10 that of the buzz that would be created by extreme, iPod or DS-sty1e popularity. There is no incentive to Nintendo maintaining a shortage, so give it up."