Why is it that Nintendo's console is always the odd man out?

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#1 Michael324
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Why cant they just launch a console with FULL 3rd party support? Mature content like the rest of them? The best thing about the wii is the VC and maybe 4 games in all. If Nintendo is all about the first party support then atleast open more devs to make the games.
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Nintendo has different focuses.
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#3 -Oath
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Mature content like the rest of them?Michael324

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

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[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?-Oath

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

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Because of the developers they don't get 3rd party support, not because of their decisions.

They only care about making people smile, or making money.
Not about image or other details like online or patches. They are about fun and if they think online is the way to deliver it they will.

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#6 -Oath
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?Aljosa23

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

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Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

-Oath

That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

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Because of the developers they don't get 3rd party support, not because of their decisions.

They only care about making people smile, or making money.
Not about image or other details like online or patches. They are about fun and if they think online is the way to deliver it they will.

KungfuKitten

I would say more of that than smiles, but it's obvious they are striking out on their own path, in the direction they think will make them more viable in the future. Changes like that always anger some of the fan base. It's fortunate they have a rapidly expanding new audience, even including grandparents.

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Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

-Oath


Which is why they let a fantastic game like Eternal Darkness on the Gamecube? Not everyone who plays games is a 13 year-old boy. The average gamer age is 33 years old... and not everyone is satisfied playing Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart for an entire generation.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

*cough* punchout *cough*
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

Shinobishyguy

That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

*cough* punchout *cough*

Punchout!! Isn't out yet. And I will wait until I play it for myself before judging it. I don't play reviews.

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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

foxhound_fox


Which is why they let a fantastic game like Eternal Darkness on the Gamecube? Not everyone who plays games is a 13 year-old boy. The average gamer age is 33 years old... and not everyone is satisfied playing Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart for an entire generation.

I said need, andvery fewmature games are on the GameCube compared to the so called kiddy games.

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That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

Aljosa23

Oh, but you got Wii Music Aljosa ... :D

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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

Aljosa23

That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

Punchout is to be out soon and Sin and Punishment 2 is incoming, and a new Zelda, Pikmin and Mario game are in developement. While you are right, 1st party support is for the most part weak, Nintendo is atleast giving an effort. Only time will tell if their worth it.

I for one am a 3rd party guy.

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#15 RandolphScott
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Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)-Oath
I'm a veteran gamer since the 2600, and I don't like the Wii a bit. That says something too. ;)
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

Aljosa23

*cough* punchout *cough*

Punchout!! Isn't out yet. And I will wait until I play it for myself before judging it. I don't play reviews.

Excitebots = 8.0 = great = Gamespot + your argument = FAIL
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[QUOTE="longprocess"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

*cough* punchout *cough*Shinobishyguy
Punchout!! Isn't out yet. And I will wait until I play it for myself before judging it. I don't play reviews.

Excitebots = 8.0 = great = Gamespot + your argument = FAIL

REAl mature.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

Stevo_the_gamer

Oh, but you got Wii Music Aljosa ... :D

Pshh how could I forget! :lol:

My girlfriend wants that game...:P

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Punchout is to be out soon and Sin and Punishment 2 is incoming, and a new Zelda, Pikmin and Mario game are in developement. While you are right, 1st party support is for the most part weak, Nintendo is atleast giving an effort. Only time will tell if their worth it.

I for one am a 3rd party guy.

-Oath


Anything new? It seems like Nintendo isn't even trying to make new IP this generation. Just rehash and redo everything that's already been done.

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#20 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Pshh how could I forget! :lol:

My girlfriend wants that game...:P

Aljosa23

lol. I'm glad my girlfriend knows nothing of that game; otherwise, I might have been stuck buying it for her. :P

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

-Oath

That's great and all. The recent third party games are awesome.

What about the first party? We haven't gotten a great first-party title since Brawl.

Punchout is to be out soon and Sin and Punishment 2 is incoming, and a new Zelda, Pikmin and Mario game are in developement. While you are right, 1st party support is for the most part weak, Nintendo is atleast giving an effort. Only time will tell if their worth it.

I for one am a 3rd party guy.

I wouldn't really use games mentioned in passing in an interview for an arguement.

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[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?-Oath

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

"Wii doesn't need good games" ? Nintendo is stuck Pre 1996 whith its idea of "Core" games, all they have done is capture the causals. They are not a gaming company for us any more. oath you sound like Reggie, "Animal Crossing is Hardcore" make me lol from him, they may not need great games to sell but you can't deny that Ninendo has loast repect from nearly all the people who and most of those who love gaming, i am not a casual, i want decent games!
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

-Oath

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

Well they gave me, a veteran since the NES days, an urge to own another console than the Wii :|.
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?thegoldenpoo

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

"Wii doesn't need good games" ? Nintendo is stuck Pre 1996 whith its idea of "Core" games, all they have done is capture the causals. They are not a gaming company for us any more. oath you sound like Reggie, "Animal Crossing is Hardcore" make me lol from him, they may not need great games to sell but you can't deny that Ninendo has loast repect from nearly all the people who and most of those who love gaming, i am not a casual, i want decent games!

There are plenty of decent games on the wii. Just because it has less AAA's and AA's than the PS3 and 360 doesn't mean it has no decent games altogether

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#25 -Oath
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Punchout is to be out soon and Sin and Punishment 2 is incoming, and a new Zelda, Pikmin and Mario game are in developement. While you are right, 1st party support is for the most part weak, Nintendo is atleast giving an effort. Only time will tell if their worth it.

I for one am a 3rd party guy.

foxhound_fox


Anything new? It seems like Nintendo isn't even trying to make new IP this generation. Just rehash and redo everything that's already been done.

Your right, and while its a bit of athorn in the backside I thinks its a decision that most agree with. People want Zelda, people want Pikmin, people want Mario..... but, the question is how long will it last?

Slowly but surely Nintendo will bring out new IPs.

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[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

oldmanriver1

"Wii doesn't need good games" ? Nintendo is stuck Pre 1996 whith its idea of "Core" games, all they have done is capture the causals. They are not a gaming company for us any more. oath you sound like Reggie, "Animal Crossing is Hardcore" make me lol from him, they may not need great games to sell but you can't deny that Ninendo has loast repect from nearly all the people who and most of those who love gaming, i am not a casual, i want decent games!

There are plenty of decent games on the wii. Just because it has less AAA's and AA's than the PS3 and 360 doesn't mean it has no decent games altogether

There are FAR less. There is FAR more causal pandering. Hell i would be happy with something DECENT, im not demanding a "Hardcore" game like CoD4 something like Plants Vs. Zombies would be nice, we have seen very little half decnet software at all since World of Goo and SSBB.
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

lebanese_boy

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

Well they gave me, a veteran since the NES days, an urge to own another console than the Wii :|.

Congrats.

What Im saying is that eveyone is saying Nintendos doing it all wrong with the Wii, and I disagree, they must be doing SOMETHING right.

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Your right, and while its a bit of athorn in the backside I thinks its a decision that most agree with. People want Zelda, people want Pikmin, people want Mario..... but, the question is how long will it last?

Slowly but surely Nintendo will bring out new IPs.

-Oath


No they won't. New IP is too risky. Nintendo isn't about losing money, they want to make it. That's why what we'll always see from them is the next Mario, Zelda and Pikmin.

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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

foxhound_fox


Which is why they let a fantastic game like Eternal Darkness on the Gamecube? Not everyone who plays games is a 13 year-old boy. The average gamer age is 33 years old... and not everyone is satisfied playing Mario, Zelda and Mario Kart for an entire generation.

Fun Fact. More 13 year old boys play "Mature" games like Halo or Gears than they do Zelda or Mario Kart. A young gamer isn't looking for fun, he's just looking for a game that will make him appear mature and edgy. For example, see pretty much every other System Wars thread.

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There are plenty of decent games on the wii. Just because it has less AAA's and AA's than the PS3 and 360 doesn't mean it has no decent games altogetheroldmanriver1
The market leader used to always be the leader because they had the most great games. The Wii doesn't, it's not even close. That's the only thing they revolutionized this generation, and as gamers, we should all be able to agree that's something that shouldn't have changed. But most Nintendo fans are willing to sacrifice their own enjoyment of this hobby so long as it benefits a multi billion dollar corporation that doesn't even know they exist, that they've developed a unhealthy obsession with over the years.
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Your right, and while its a bit of athorn in the backside I thinks its a decision that most agree with. People want Zelda, people want Pikmin, people want Mario..... but, the question is how long will it last?

Slowly but surely Nintendo will bring out new IPs.

foxhound_fox


No they won't. New IP is too risky. Nintendo isn't about losing money, they want to make it. That's why what we'll always see from them is the next Mario, Zelda and Pikmin.

I fail to see what is bad about those IP's...:|

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[QUOTE="-Oath"]Your right, and while its a bit of athorn in the backside I thinks its a decision that most agree with. People want Zelda, people want Pikmin, people want Mario..... but, the question is how long will it last?

Slowly but surely Nintendo will bring out new IPs.

foxhound_fox


No they won't. New IP is too risky. Nintendo isn't about losing money, they want to make it. That's why what we'll always see from them is the next Mario, Zelda and Pikmin.

Tact of Magic was just announced...isn't that a new IP? How about Dynamic Slash? Cosmic Walker? Excitebots?

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Why cant they just launch a console with FULL 3rd party support? Mature content like the rest of them? The best thing about the wii is the VC and maybe 4 games in all. If Nintendo is all about the first party support then atleast open more devs to make the games.Michael324
they have: the NES ;)
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[QUOTE="oldmanriver1"]

[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"] "Wii doesn't need good games" ? Nintendo is stuck Pre 1996 whith its idea of "Core" games, all they have done is capture the causals. They are not a gaming company for us any more. oath you sound like Reggie, "Animal Crossing is Hardcore" make me lol from him, they may not need great games to sell but you can't deny that Ninendo has loast repect from nearly all the people who and most of those who love gaming, i am not a casual, i want decent games! thegoldenpoo

There are plenty of decent games on the wii. Just because it has less AAA's and AA's than the PS3 and 360 doesn't mean it has no decent games altogether

There are FAR less. There is FAR more causal pandering. Hell i would be happy with something DECENT, im not demanding a "Hardcore" game like CoD4 something like Plants Vs. Zombies would be nice, we have seen very little half decnet software at all since World of Goo and SSBB.

Yeah granted recent releases have been dire, but there are still plenty of games that released earlier that I still want to pick up. On gamerankings there has been around 50 wii games with a rating of AA and above. If you can't find a couple of decent games that you like in that pile, then well um, maybe you should try a few new games out?

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I fail to see what is bad about those IP's...:|Aljosa23

Nothing "bad" about them. Its just nice to have great old and great new. Not just great old.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I fail to see what is bad about those IP's...:|foxhound_fox


Nothing "bad" about them. Its just nice to have great old and great new. Not just great old.

Fair enough. You just made it sound like innovation and new IP's were the only "good" games.

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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?thegoldenpoo

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

"Wii doesn't need good games" ?

Mature=/=good, period.

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wii is not odd man out. wii sell most and has most gamer this gen.
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wii is not odd man out. wii sell most and has most gamer this gen. NintendoBoy1996
I hope you typed that with one hand while upside down.
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I fail to see what is bad about those IP's...:|foxhound_fox


Nothing "bad" about them. Its just nice to have great old and great new. Not just great old.

Yes I agree. However Nintendo IS releasing new IP's this gen along with the older ones. Tact of Magic, Endless Ocean, Dynamic Slash, Cosmic Walker, Excite____ (spiritual succesor to Bike but vastly different gameplay)...

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wii is not odd man out. wii sell most and has most gamer this gen. NintendoBoy1996

...lol?

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I fail to see what is bad about those IP's...:|SMR-Venom


Nothing "bad" about them. Its just nice to have great old and great new. Not just great old.

Yes I agree. However Nintendo IS releasing new IP's this gen along with the older ones. Tact of Magic, Endless Ocean, Dynamic Slash, Cosmic Walker, Excite____ (spiritual succesor to Bike but vastly different gameplay)...

Where is the "great" in those games?

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#43 SMR-Venom
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[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Nothing "bad" about them. Its just nice to have great old and great new. Not just great old.

Aljosa23

Yes I agree. However Nintendo IS releasing new IP's this gen along with the older ones. Tact of Magic, Endless Ocean, Dynamic Slash, Cosmic Walker, Excite____ (spiritual succesor to Bike but vastly different gameplay)...

Where is the "great" in those games?

The great is in Excitebots score...and it is a blast to play. Can't say much about the unreleased games obviously (Tact of Magic looks pretty great actually; There is minimal footage of Cosmic Walker and Dynamic Slash so I do not want to give false praise). Endless Ocean was also a pretty decent experience. The generation is not over yet.

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#44 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="NintendoBoy1996"]wii is not odd man out. wii sell most and has most gamer this gen. chapnzaba

...lol?

What's so funny? He said "gamer" (as in one), not "gamers" (as in plural). ;) :P
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#45 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?-Oath

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

One could argue that Nintendo are sellouts, and only care about money, and not quality games. This is very evident on the Wii. There are only a couple of good games,ina sea of garbage. They went for the safe bet this gen: kids, and grand mothers.

Yes, there are some decent games on the Wii, but they're very rare.

They are smart for doing what they're doing this gen, but I discredit them for putting out/allowing too much crap, just for the sake of money. Especially when Nintendo was all about quality in the past, which makes them hypocrites in my eyes.

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#46 gamer620
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

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Mature content like the rest of them?Michael324

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

Yeah because they clearly made Mario Galaxy for Grandma.
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#47 SMR-Venom
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[QUOTE="Michael324"]Mature content like the rest of them?MortalDecay

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

One could argue that Nintendo are sellouts, and only care about money, and not quality games. This is very evident on the Wii. There are only a couple of good games, out of the sea of garbage. They went for the safe bet this gen: kids, and grand mothers. Yes, there are some decent games on the Wii, but they're very rare. They are smart for doing what they're doing this gen, but I discredit them for putting out/allowing too much crap, just for the sake of money. Especially when Nintendo was all about quality in the past, which makes them hypocrites in my eyes.

You don't want to say that. Majority of Nintendo's games on Wii have been great. -Twilight Princess -Excitebots -Punchout!! -SMG -MP3 -SSBB -Super Paper Mario -WarioWare -Endless Ocean -Wii Sports -WarioLand -Animal Crossing The not so stellar ones have been the Wii____ titles, apart from sports. But how many of those are actually out there? 3?
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#48 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

Yeah because they clearly made Mario Galaxy for Grandma.

No, but I'm sure she like those cooking, and gardening games.
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#49 -Oath
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

SMR-Venom

One could argue that Nintendo are sellouts, and only care about money, and not quality games. This is very evident on the Wii. There are only a couple of good games, out of the sea of garbage. They went for the safe bet this gen: kids, and grand mothers. Yes, there are some decent games on the Wii, but they're very rare. They are smart for doing what they're doing this gen, but I discredit them for putting out/allowing too much crap, just for the sake of money. Especially when Nintendo was all about quality in the past, which makes them hypocrites in my eyes.

You don't want to say that. Majority of Nintendo's games on Wii have been great.

And you dont wanna say that, majority of the games that can be found on the Wii are shovelware, but gamers in their right minds wouldnt buy them. Still, the fact remains, thats not to say the Wii still doesnt have some great games, like those you mntioned.

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#50 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

Nintendos a leader, not a follower, they dont need mature games to have their console sell, and by god it shows.

-Oath

Oh please. Nintendo makes games for your grandparents now. They don't care about core gamers.

Well they got a veteran gamer since the Snes to prefer the Wii over the 360 and PS3, that says something ;)

...and I can trick a mouse into a mouse trap,does that make me The Pied Piper?

:P