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#52 PAL360
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MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

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#53 Eddie-Vedder
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MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

PAL360
By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :P
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#54 heretrix
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[QUOTE="James161324"]

Here we go again. Microsoft is a business, they want to make money. End Thread

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The high horse people here ride on is amazing. Using the word EVIL to describe a company who basically is doing what a corporation's purpose is......Business. That is all they are doing. I dont agree with the gold to play online so I dont pay for it, but it's not evil. Flying jets into buildings and killing civilians is evil.

This. I really can't stand how casually the word "evil" is thrown around.There's plenty of it out in the world without the word being misused. Hell, it's even a bit of a stretch to call MS unethical.

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#55 crimsonman1245
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Because fans and publishers let them.

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

Eddie-Vedder

By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :P

By no games you mean Witcher 2, Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Dust Elysian Tale, Crimson Dragon, Deadlight, Ryse, Gears JUdgement, Alan Wake AN, Dawnguard, Dark Souls Artorias, FEZ, Minecraft, Battleblock Theater, Haunt, Ghost Recon KINECT, RE6 best version, Trials Evolution, Spelunky, Happy Wars, Dungeon Fighter Live etc

VS

Wonder book and LBP Karting on PS3 ?

LOL

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#58 k2theswiss
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the people they screw is the people let them screw them...

devs and mainly about fez paying $10k for a patch is their fault. why? i am 110% that was in the contract when they signed it. If they didn't like it they should of moved onto steam/sony or tell ms change it lol.

Anyone pay full price for xbl is their choice for not looking around. I have only paid full price for it once and thats when i got the first xbox after that i have never paid more then half price.

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http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.
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#60 loosingENDS
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http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.Miketheman83

MS offered way better hardware for 300$ a year before PS3

PS3 came with worst GPU and hardware, a year later and had a 600$ cost

And somehow it is MS that takes advatage of gamers LOL

I wont even go to how useless PS3 is for gaming, aside a few games like Demons Souls or NI no Kuni that are one every 3 years

Lets see the 2012 lineups for both systems

Xbox 360

Witcher 2, Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Dust Elysian Tale, Crimson Dragon, Deadlight, Ryse, Gears JUdgement, Alan Wake AN, Dawnguard, Dark Souls Artorias, FEZ, Minecraft, Battleblock Theater, Haunt, Ghost Recon KINECT, RE6 best version, Trials Evolution, Spelunky, Happy Wars, Dungeon Fighter Live etc

VS PS3

Wonder book and LBP Karting

.

LOL

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http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.Miketheman83

I dont think they mean that Microsoft is literally evil, they just use tactics that are very anti-consumer.

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[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]They're screwing over their players. They're screwing over developers. And, they're screwing over the entire industry. Do you think microsoft is becoming evil, beyond what Activision and EA are?

They don't force players to buy there system, they don't force dvelopers to develope games on there system, people obviously want to buy xbox 360's, developers obviously want to develope games on the 360, how are thay screwing everyone again?
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

Eddie-Vedder

By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :P

By no games i take you mean the best library out of any console?

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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.crimsonman1245

I dont think they mean that Microsoft is literally evil, they just use tactics that are very anti-consumer.

Then they should say so. To me, whenever I see that, it just invalidates their argument because it shows they relly aren't putting too much thought into what they are saying.

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#65 delta3074
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

Eddie-Vedder
By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :P

It has 924 games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games which is 165 more than the Ps3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games and 295 less than the wii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games
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#66 Miketheman83
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.crimsonman1245

I dont think they mean that Microsoft is literally evil, they just use tactics that are very anti-consumer.

Yet they are the most ethical companies list...makes alot of sense. Sony releases a console with a $600 price tag with a horrible lineup of games with a difficult to program for architecture and microsoft are anti consumer? Lol. The only reason sony releases so many exclusives is because they have to to compete because 3rd party devs want nothing to do with it. 360 and PC gamers are getting great games like Left 4 Dead, Witcher, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake etc etc. and ps3 gamers are getting weak multiplats and missing out on some of the best games this generation because sony made their console a certain way for their own benefit. This place is so flooded with ps3 fans spreading around lies its pathetic. In the real world the 360 is the dominant hardcore console and everyone knows that.
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#67 waltefmoney
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Because that leads to pleasure?

Have you never trie.. nevermind.

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#68 delta3074
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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]http://mobilitydigest.com/microsoft-makes-worlds-most-ethical-companies-list-for-2nd-straight-year-google-and-apple-are-a-no-show/ Microsoft has been on the most ethical companies list the last two years, sony has not. This thread is one of the many examples how sony fans are the most ignorant, blind and downright dumbest consumers on the planet.Miketheman83

I dont think they mean that Microsoft is literally evil, they just use tactics that are very anti-consumer.

Yet they are the most ethical companies list...makes alot of sense. Sony releases a console with a $600 price tag with a horrible lineup of games with a difficult to program for architecture and microsoft are anti consumer? Lol. The only reason sony releases so many exclusives is because they have to to compete because 3rd party devs want nothing to do with it. 360 and PC gamers are getting great games like Left 4 Dead, Witcher, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake etc etc. and ps3 gamers are getting weak multiplats and missing out on some of the best games this generation because sony made their console a certain way for their own benefit. This place is so flooded with ps3 fans spreading around lies its pathetic. In the real world the 360 is the dominant hardcore console and everyone knows that.

i think MS have done really well in the sense that they have secured some 'must have' Pc games for the 360 like left4dead, witcher, metro 2033 and mindcraft, also, over here in blighty the 360 (and i mean the hdd version) was the second cheapest console at launch over here, the first being the nintendo gamescube, i also think that Multiple SKU's was a good idea because it caters to peoples different financial status, not everyone could afford a 20Gb Pro model 360 but they could still get the 360 experience with the cheaper arcade model, unlke other people i also think they handled the RROD fiasco rather well, offering a 3 year warranty and riembursing anyone who had paid for repairs before the warranty a very good move.
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Hey i just realised EVIL spelled backwards is LIVE......and xbox spelled backwards is xobx...coincidence??????

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What if I told you. That was the best thing I've read all day.
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Because they are Microsoft. Duh
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

MS is evil yes, just like EA, Sony, Activision and every other big company. Doesnt change the fact 360 is an awesome console!

PAL360

By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :P

By no games i take you mean the best library out of any console?

Lets see the 2012 lineups for both systems

Xbox 360

Witcher 2, Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Dust Elysian Tale, Crimson Dragon, Deadlight, Ryse, Gears JUdgement, Alan Wake AN, Dawnguard, Dark Souls Artorias, FEZ, Minecraft, Battleblock Theater, Haunt, Ghost Recon KINECT, RE6 best version, Trials Evolution, Spelunky, Happy Wars, Dungeon Fighter Live etc

VS PS3

Wonder book and LBP Karting

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :PloosingENDS

By no games i take you mean the best library out of any console?

Lets see the 2012 lineups for both systems

Xbox 360

Witcher 2, Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Dust Elysian Tale, Crimson Dragon, Deadlight, Ryse, Gears JUdgement, Alan Wake AN, Dawnguard, Dark Souls Artorias, FEZ, Minecraft, Battleblock Theater, Haunt, Ghost Recon KINECT, RE6 best version, Trials Evolution, Spelunky, Happy Wars, Dungeon Fighter Live etc

VS PS3

Wonder book and LBP Karting

You are missing some important ones like Journey and Starhawk.

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I think the word TC meant to use is 'EXPLOIT'. Evil does not describe Microsoft, however them popularizing a trend to exploit customers is sickenning. Lems can argue all they want about Xbox Live Service, but paying to PLAY online is just boderline effed up. How about letting people PLAY online for free and offer whatever it is they offer at a premium to be paid like PS+

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Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. Hell the fact that M$ practically invented the term FUD is enough to see what kind of company they are.
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] By awesome I take it you mean a pos with no games? :PloosingENDS

By no games i take you mean the best library out of any console?

Lets see the 2012 lineups for both systems

Xbox 360

Witcher 2, Halo 4, Fable Journey, Forza Horizon, Mass Effect 3 KINECT, Dust Elysian Tale, Crimson Dragon, Deadlight, Ryse, Gears JUdgement, Alan Wake AN, Dawnguard, Dark Souls Artorias, FEZ, Minecraft, Battleblock Theater, Haunt, Ghost Recon KINECT, RE6 best version, Trials Evolution, Spelunky, Happy Wars, Dungeon Fighter Live etc

VS PS3

Wonder book and LBP Karting

If you are gonna make a list for both least do it without fanboy googles on, cause ps3 has more coming out than that.
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#77 PAL360
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Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. Hell the fact that M$ practically invented the term FUD is enough to see what kind of company they are.kuraimen

There are indeed. $ony is clearly not one of them.

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Because 360 users just bend over and take it

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Why is Microsoft screwing everyone? Second_Hokage
Because sex is fun and it feels go.
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[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"] Why is Microsoft screwing everyone? AmazonTreeBoa
Because sex is fun and it feels go.

Only consensual sex is fun for all parties involved ...

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. Hell the fact that M$ practically invented the term FUD is enough to see what kind of company they are.PAL360

There are indeed. $ony is clearly not one of them.

Although Sony is not a saint they're in no way near M$' levels of crappiness.
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Only consensual sex is fun for all parties involved ...

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Virgin talk.

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Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. kuraimen
Yeah, there are some who are worse.Last time I checked MS wasn't responsible for destroying the environment, having people killed directly or indirectly, evicting people out of their homes to build condos or...Jesus, I could go on. You see, that's evil sh!t. Getting you to pay for something that's free elsewhere is a corporate dream.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. heretrix

Yeah, there are some who are worse.Last time I checked MS wasn't responsible for destroying the environment, having people killed directly or indirectly, evicting people out of their homes to build condos or...Jesus, I could go on. You see, that's evil sh!t. Getting you to pay for something that's free elsewhere is a corporate dream.

I'm not talking about charging for something free, that's part of the actions that crap on consumers but not one of the biggest. That's the least of the things they do. They are one of the biggest patent trolling companies in the world, they spread FUD on their competitors, they adapt open protocols to make them exclusive to their systems effectively monopolising the PC market, they close their systems and make deals with educational institutions in third world countries to create dependency on their products. Poor people are then left with no choice but to use expensive MS products for the rest of their lives even though they could be using free products with even better quality, many of them pirate those products then and the whole country is put on a black list and affected commercially. They could have a much more open and universal policy focused on cross-platform compatibility like many companies in the tech business. That's also ignoring the fact that their outsourcing methods use workers in lousy conditions in other countries. Sure they're not an oil company or Monsanto but within the IT world they're probably the lousiest company out there.
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Because they aren't.

This is business, people. Don't like it? Vote for your wallet. I promise that b**ching about it here isn't going to make anyone at Microsoft feel bad about themselves.

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#87 lawlessx
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same flamebait threads every day...system wars needs a makeover
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#88 inb4uall
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for the lulz?

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Why do you keep making threads, your talking and asking crap.
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#90 JDWolfie
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Microsoft is evil without me. I gave my fortune to the people!

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Dude, you're in the same boat as well. Both Apple and Microsoft make their products at Foxconn.
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#91 JDWolfie
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You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems.

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

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You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

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Live has nothing to do with lag its your internet connection.

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#93 kuraimen
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You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

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Both systems use P2P connections and so the dumb idea about having more/less lag is ridiculous and only invented by lems to justify getting ripped off. The 360 has faster downloads but that's about it, the gaming lag is equal among systems and/or dependent on the devs so stop spreading lies.
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[QUOTE="JDWolfie"]

You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

kuraimen

Both systems use P2P connections and so the dumb idea about having more/less lag is ridiculous and only invented by lems to justify getting rippe off. The 360 has faster downloads but that's about it, the gaming lag is equal among systems and/or dependent on the devs so stop spreading lies.

Nothing lemmings can come up with will ever be as stupid as paying for free games, cow.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol @ people saying all companies do the same. NOT all companies are the same. There are companies out there who are not as crappy as M$. kuraimen

Yeah, there are some who are worse.Last time I checked MS wasn't responsible for destroying the environment, having people killed directly or indirectly, evicting people out of their homes to build condos or...Jesus, I could go on. You see, that's evil sh!t. Getting you to pay for something that's free elsewhere is a corporate dream.

I'm not talking about charging for something free, that's part of the actions that crap on consumers but not one of the biggest. That's the least of the things they do. They are one of the biggest patent trolling companies in the world, they spread FUD on their competitors, they adapt open protocols to make them exclusive to their systems effectively monopolising the PC market, they close their systems and make deals with educational institutions in third world countries to create dependency on their products. Poor people are then left with no choice but to use expensive MS products for the rest of their lives even though they could be using free products with even better quality, many of them pirate those products then and the whole country is put on a black list and affected commercially. They could have a much more open and universal policy focused on cross-platform compatibility like many companies in the tech business. That's also ignoring the fact that their outsourcing methods use workers in lousy conditions in other countries. Sure they're not an oil company or Monsanto but within the IT world they're probably the lousiest company out there.

None of that sh!t you posted is exclusive to them. Apple does a lot of the same sh!t. And all of the the other stuff is pure bullsh!t.

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because theyve adapted to the environmental acceptance that lemmings are idiots
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You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

kuraimen

Both systems use P2P connections and so the dumb idea about having more/less lag is ridiculous and only invented by lems to justify getting ripped off.

Again Bullsh!t lies. I can't count how many time I had to explain to Sony fanboys that no system is lag free. That was made up by Sony fanboys that were also going around saying all PSN multiplayer games were on dedicated servers.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Yeah, there are some who are worse.Last time I checked MS wasn't responsible for destroying the environment, having people killed directly or indirectly, evicting people out of their homes to build condos or...Jesus, I could go on. You see, that's evil sh!t. Getting you to pay for something that's free elsewhere is a corporate dream.

heretrix

I'm not talking about charging for something free, that's part of the actions that crap on consumers but not one of the biggest. That's the least of the things they do. They are one of the biggest patent trolling companies in the world, they spread FUD on their competitors, they adapt open protocols to make them exclusive to their systems effectively monopolising the PC market, they close their systems and make deals with educational institutions in third world countries to create dependency on their products. Poor people are then left with no choice but to use expensive MS products for the rest of their lives even though they could be using free products with even better quality, many of them pirate those products then and the whole country is put on a black list and affected commercially. They could have a much more open and universal policy focused on cross-platform compatibility like many companies in the tech business. That's also ignoring the fact that their outsourcing methods use workers in lousy conditions in other countries. Sure they're not an oil company or Monsanto but within the IT world they're probably the lousiest company out there.

None of that sh!t you posted is exclusive to them. Apple does a lot of the same sh!t. And all of the the other stuff is pure bullsh!t.

I'm not defending Apple. But Apple and M$ have a very important difference. Apple doesn't have a virtual monopoly on the PC market so they can't dictate and control the market as much as M$ does affecting other competitors. Apple, for me, is an option I will never use and it doesn't affect my freedom to choose. M$, on the other hand, is very difficult to avoid due to their control of the market and therefore they affect my freedom and even the non-M$ products I use. For example even if I choose to use only Linux-based systems some of the revenues go to M$. That's BS and makes it a step over Apple in crappiness.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="JDWolfie"]

You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

heretrix

Both systems use P2P connections and so the dumb idea about having more/less lag is ridiculous and only invented by lems to justify getting ripped off.

Again Bullsh!t lies. I can't count how many time I had to explain to Sony fanboys that no system is lag free. That was made up by Sony fanboys that were also going around saying all PSN multiplayer games were on dedicated servers.

Where did I say is lag free? If you want to discuss something learn to read first.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="JDWolfie"]

You should thank Microsoft. If Microsoft wasn't around, who knows what they would be charging gamers now for games or systems?

And I don't see what Microsoft is doing that so evil. As far as Live goes, you get what you pay for. You can have next to zero lags or you can end up like the Playstation Network. Still don't like it, then don't buy it.

Both systems use P2P connections and so the dumb idea about having more/less lag is ridiculous and only invented by lems to justify getting ripped off.

Again Bullsh!t lies. I can't count how many time I had to explain to Sony fanboys that no system is lag free. That was made up by Sony fanboys that were also going around saying all PSN multiplayer games were on dedicated servers.

you sound trey mad bro whats up let me have it