Why is Nintendo allergic to modern ideas? (online, graphics, achievements, etc)

Achievements and Trophies have basically replaced actual unlockables in most games.

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

The 3DS already proves this thread wrong so:

PandaBear86

I'll give you the friend codes (they suck), but you've already been proven wrong on the RAM issue (but choose to ignore it), and I could really care less about an artificial reason to play a game rather than for the game itself.

Do people STILL not understand ANYTHING about RAM?

once again...96mb is PERFECT

smart phones have that much RAM because they run all kinds of apps, texts messaging, phones calls and other things like that all at once....the 3DS doesn't need a gig of RAM

CDUB316

You do realize the 3d DS screenshot is a cutscene where the graphical power is being pushed into more polygons for the models and other special effects that are not actually produced in gameplay, right?

This is how the game actually looks, when not in a cutscene:

Besides watch when the PSP2 is announced and looks nearly as good as the PS3.

DerpyMcDerp

I, for one, won't be buying a 3DS that is slightly better than the PSP for $250...the PSP itself goes as low as $150 nowadays.
And don't get me started on the games, even though a few decent games have been announced...the handheld will have a truckload of shovelware in its lifetime.
I can't believe how much shovelware I see when I check out the DS aisle at gameshops. I've seen parents getting a PS2 for their kids instead of a next-gen console because it's all too expensive...and they plan on selling these to kids and their parents? Good luck Nintendo...

And the hardware...developers are pretty much forced to use the 3D gimmick instead of making better gameplay. Look what happened to DS/Wii...SHOVELWARE galore.
You'd think even handhelds would live up to expectation...but as usual Nintendo lags years behind in hardware. Try to make the hardware as cheap as possible and sell it for as high as possible, $250. That's just sad...I was thinking about getting a 3DS but...really now...96 mb?

Locutus_Picard

2. Developers aren't forced to use 3D, Nintendo said this themselves. Also when 3D isn't used they have access to better graphics.

3. How does adding 3D to the visual aspect of a game affect the gameplay of a game?

4. Parents are buying the DS, and it is the second highest selling game system of all time with around 145 million sold.

5. The RAM isn't necessary for a handheld that isn't a phone.

here are the fails i noticed when i entered the thread.

1. the tittle

"Why is Nintendo allergic to modern ideas? (online, graphics, achievements, etc)"

- some of us actually started gaming before this gen ;) , you may call those ideas modern, but if you knew something about console wars, you would have know that this is the first time nintendo made a weak console compared to its competitors.

- so simply put. your whole argument is based on 1 generation, this generation... the 3ds shows that nintendo might not continue this path. Your simply assuming nintendos past systems where like the wii, because you didnt experience gaming before this gen.

2. this post.

Because they get people to buy it so they don't really care.. how many Mario's are out there already?Jonas008

This comes from a guy with Call of Duty Black Ops in its sig.

You go ahead and tell me how long your phone with 1GB RAM lasts playing a game that uses its whole power, do it and come back in 30 minutes and tell me how long it was (hint 30 minutes)

Nintendo is game software company, that makes hardware, they focus on making games, not tech specs or useless achievements. They already improved the graphics with the 3DS and Online is much better (seriously one FC is a friggin' user name get over it, and if you're in the same room with a person you don't even need to exchange anything ever)

How are any of these ideas modern? They've always been around and driven the industry to ruin. Simply upping specs, adding useless ranking features to feel better about yourself, detracts from the main point of a gaming console, and that is to play good, fun games.

Ah, its new gen. I love the new gen smell of threads like this. Fun times to be had in the next 1-2 years.

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

4. PSP2 may have "close to PS3 graphics", but the battery life is going to be drained and once again the point of PORTABILITY is a concept Sony would have a hard time grasping again...

DerpyMcDerp

Nintendo killed the battery life argument with 3-5 hours, if the PSP2 can stretch to 3-4 or so, I'd buy it.

Nintendo is doing everything wrong with the 3d DS, they're acting just like Sony with the original PSP. I bought every Nintendo handheld and have loved them, but they really dropped the ball this time, if there isn't a new 2d Castlevania announced for it, I'm never going to buy it, especially not for the ridiculous 250 dollar price tag for something that is quite old technology wise(other than the 3d screen).

From what is known about the PSP2, I'll say that they are doing the right thing, with the dual analogue sticks, switch from disc-based games to cartridge, and an actual advancement in hardware.

Yes there is a new Castlevania announced for the system. Expect three platformers.

Battery life is up to 8 hours without 3D turned on, and even more if you're not connected to Wi-Fi or have the brightness at max.

The 3DS has cartridges as well and they hold up to 8 GB, with SD card support up to 32 GB

The PSP 2 price tag is expected to be a lot more than the 3DS with the rumored OLED and HD screens.

Because Nintendo prioritizes gameplay and single player experience over anything else and i for one love them because of that. I'm a single player gamer except for strategy games on PC like CoH and SC2 where i play online multiplayer.

here are the fails i noticed when i entered the thread.

1. the tittle

"Why is Nintendo allergic to modern ideas? (online, graphics, achievements, etc)"

- some of us actually started gaming before this gen ;) , you may call those ideas modern, but if you knew something about console wars, you would have know that this is the first time nintendo made a weak console compared to its competitors.

- so simply put. your whole argument is based on 1 generation, this generation... the 3ds shows that nintendo might not continue this path. Your simply assuming nintendos past systems where like the wii, because you didnt experience gaming before this gen.

2. this post.

[QUOTE="Jonas008"]Because they get people to buy it so they don't really care.. how many Mario's are out there already?Half-Way

This comes from a guy with Call of Duty Black Ops in its sig.

Oh man great job Half Way! Good Points.

Don't see how being gaming in its purest form is a bad thing. Achievements? Added to give games more replay value. Nintendo games never needed anything of the sort because you wanted to go back and play willingly just for the hell of it, not to rack up ePeen points. Online? I'll take split screen 4 player anyday. Leave online to the masters (PC.) Graphics? Pretty sure Conker's BFD was the best looking game of the PS1/N64 generation and Gamecube had the best looking game of last gen (Resident Evil 4.) It stood toe to toe with the Xbox and Ninja Gaiden Black, yet cost a lot less.

Nintendo isn't exactly allergic to modern ideas. Glasses-less 3D? Motion controls that caught everyone by surprise? Nintendo stayed on the path of gaming while the other companies ventured into different paths.

Why are Sony and Microsoft allergic to being more successful console manufacturers this gen?

Don't see how being gaming in its purest form is a bad thing. Achievements? Added to give games more replay value. Nintendo games never needed anything of the sort because you wanted to go back and play willingly just for the hell of it, not to rack up ePeen points. Online? I'll take split screen 4 player anyday. Leave online to the masters (PC.) Graphics? Pretty sure Conker's BFD was the best looking game of the PS1/N64 generation and Gamecube had the best looking game of last gen (Resident Evil 4.) It stood toe to toe with the Xbox and Ninja Gaiden Black, yet cost a lot less.

Nintendo isn't exactly allergic to modern ideas. Glasses-less 3D? Motion controls that caught everyone by surprise? Nintendo stayed on the path of gaming while the other companies ventured into different paths.

ChubbyGuy40

If motion controls aren't "modern" I don't know what is.nethernova

Exactly. All the innovation is in the wii remote/sensor bar.

Not only that, the wii was the only console this gen to have FULL backward compatibilty out of the box. The virtual console rocks, and don't forget the something as simple as Mii's. XBOX's Avatars where a 'me too' idea at one time. Heck, they brought back packaging a game with the console!

I'll admit, I wish their online was improved and the graphics are getting a bit drab as time goes on, but I'm glad they did what they did.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Nintendo represents gaming in its PUREST form. They don't care for what others do. They do what Nintendo does. In the mind of Nintendo the world doesn't exist, only Nintendo. For better or for worse they will continue to walk their own path despite the many paths that others may take.

Cherokee_Jack

Why would we want HD triplets? Nintendo did something different and succeeded. And if you ask me, the 3DS currently has more 3rd party tittles on the launch lineup than 1st party, and more than a few of those 3rd party games look great. That doesnt usually happen with Nintendo. I think they are modern enough.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Nintendo represents gaming in its PUREST form. They don't care for what others do. They do what Nintendo does. In the mind of Nintendo the world doesn't exist, only Nintendo. For better or for worse they will continue to walk their own path despite the many paths that others may take.

DarkLink77

Pokemon, Mario Party, Wii Sports, SSB. There are a few franchieses they own that are made or would work extremely well with online multiplayer.

All Nintendo systems from today onwards will have three things in common: they must have poor online, graphics, and no achievement system. that's an odd accusation, seeing that the 3ds has better graphics than we've ever seen on a handheld, and its online/local multiplayer is supposed to be one of its strong points. and why on earth do you care about achievements so much? does getting a digital pat on the back that you can show all of your friends mean so much to you? "bu bu bu i beat teh gaim! where's my twophy?!" In other words, all of their future consoles will be made with no modern ideas or technology - the "Wii 2" will be another overclocked Wii with slightly beter motion controllers.... do you realizehow much money nintendo has made with the wii/ds? and do you know how much money they have invested into R&D for their next console? the wii was underpowered because nintendo didn't have the money to sell their system at a loss like sony and MS did. if they stayed on the path they were on with the GC, they would have lost even more marketshare to sony and MS and they would have gone under. so instead, they made a cheap, accessible system to attract a different market. and it payed off for them. NOW nintendo has enough money to compete with sony and MS hardware-wise. and they will, while still keeping their new audience. nintendo's next console will be at least on par with the others. and thats it. No other improvements. Look at the 3DS - a system released in 2011 has only 96mb of RAM? Meanwhile some phones have 1024mb of RAM. I love when people show their incredible ignorance when it comes to RAM. we've seen screens and videos of the 3ds's graphics/capabilities for its launch titles. they're better than any phone with a gb of ram, and they'll only get better with time. 96mb is more than enough for a dedicated gaming handheld.

PandaBear86

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Exactly. Though complaining about graphics doesn't hold up because the 3DS is graphically impressive, and Nintendo was known for making powerful consoles before the Wii. They can afford to make a bigger upgrade with their next home system because they won't be taking as much of a risk.ChubbyGuy40

Pokemon, Mario Party, Wii Sports, SSB. There are a few franchieses they own that are made or would work extremely well with online multiplayer.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Basically this. Achievements are noce, but not everything needs to have them. As for online, so what? How many Nintendo game would you play online if the infrastructure was there? I'm guessing not many.DarkLink77

Pokemon, Mario Party, Wii Sports, SSB. There are a few franchieses they own that are made or would work extremely well with online multiplayer.

I don't get why people say Nintendo needs to make new IPs. Mario and Zelda are timeless. Those 2 and their others always are always kept fresh with new and old ideas. The day Nintendo dies is the day gaming dies.

I agree though. Most of the fun of those games are when its split screen or when everybody is in the same room. Thats far better than gaming online with strangers. Hard to explain why but it just is.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Pokemon, Mario Party, Wii Sports, SSB. There are a few franchieses they own that are made or would work extremely well with online multiplayer.

ChubbyGuy40

I don't get why people say Nintendo needs to make new IPs. Mario and Zelda are timeless. Those 2 and their others always are always kept fresh with new and old ideas. The day Nintendo dies is the day gaming dies.

I agree though. Most of the fun of those games are when its split screen or when everybody is in the same room. Thats far better than gaming online with strangers. Hard to explain why but it just is.

the playstyles, the arm punchingDarkLink77

That alone makes local far better than online. Like one person who kept using Pikachu in SSBB and using just one move...many arm punches later he finally changed.

What would be the point of 3 systems that do the same things, all having the same multplats? Why?

Two that are as alike as the ps3 and 360 are 1 too many. They should all be different. At least Sony is producing games that set it apart though.

Did people forget that the Wii is Nintendo's first console to have weaker hardware compared to the competition? The NES, SNES, N64, and GC all had were rivals for best graphics. The GC was even coming close to the xbox in some areas.

Even though the wii is weak in the graphics department games like SMG, SMG2, KEY, DKCR are great looking on the system

Here's an example of a good looking third partygame on the Wii. It runs at a frame rate of 30fps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLrpnjwyTU

Even though the wii is weak in the graphics department games like SMG, SMG2, KEY, DKCR are great looking on the system

Here's an example of a good looking third partygame on the Wii. It runs at a frame rate of 30fps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLrpnjwyTU

super600

I think Silent Hill: Shattered Memories looks as good as launch/starter PS3 and 360 games. The Wii is pretty weak this gen but not THAT weak.

Nintendo doesn't believe in selling anything for a loss. They want profit on everything they sell. As a result, they tend to release dated hardware with emphasis on other gimmicks to draw attention to their products.

Nintendo represents gaming in its PUREST form. They don't care for what others do. They do what Nintendo does. In the mind of Nintendo the world doesn't exist, only Nintendo. For better or for worse they will continue to walk their own path despite the many paths that others may take.

The__Havoc

[QUOTE="super600"]

Even though the wii is weak in the graphics department games like SMG, SMG2, KEY, DKCR are great looking on the system

Here's an example of a good looking third partygame on the Wii. It runs at a frame rate of 30fps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLrpnjwyTU

ChubbyGuy40

I think Silent Hill: Shattered Memories looks as good as launch/starter PS3 and 360 games. The Wii is pretty weak this gen but not THAT weak.

Yeah! I agree.Games on the Wii are starting to get visuals at early Xbox 360/PS3 levels. If third party developers like Sonic Team Japan and whoever developed that Silent Hill game can take advantage of the hardware on the Wii then I think all devs can do the same thing if they tried.

The few times Nintendo has tried to be "modern" or ahead of the competition (Virtual Boy, N64, Gamecube) they got killed.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Nintendo represents gaming in its PUREST form. They don't care for what others do. They do what Nintendo does. In the mind of Nintendo the world doesn't exist, only Nintendo. For better or for worse they will continue to walk their own path despite the many paths that others may take.

tomarlyn

Arrogance won the generation, so who ended up being right?

Desperately trying to play catch up? Please. The only thing they flopped at this gen (and flopped hard) was online.

Nintendo doesn't believe in selling anything for a loss. They want profit on everything they sell. As a result, they tend to release dated hardware with emphasis on other gimmicks to draw attention to their products.

caseystryker

Remember when everyone was claiming HD was a gimmick and would never catch on? Remember when motion controls were nothing but a gimmick and people said they'd die off in a few years? Thought so.

Argument backfired.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="The__Havoc"] No If they were pure they'd stick to their guns and not desperately try playing catch up every other generation with innovations like disc format, online, etc. They're not pure they're simply arrogant. Arrogant until the time they get egg on their face then run around like headless chickens.ChubbyGuy40

Arrogance won the generation, so who ended up being right?

Desperately trying to play catch up? Please. The only thing they flopped at this gen (and flopped hard) was online.

Nintendo doesn't believe in selling anything for a loss. They want profit on everything they sell. As a result, they tend to release dated hardware with emphasis on other gimmicks to draw attention to their products.

caseystryker

Remember when everyone was claiming HD was a gimmick and would never catch on? Remember when motion controls were nothing but a gimmick and people said they'd die off in a few years? Thought so.

Argument backfired.

Arrogance won the generation, so who ended up being right?

Desperately trying to play catch up? Please. The only thing they flopped at this gen (and flopped hard) was online.

ChubbyGuy40

I knew someone would throw out the generic sales comment. They always play down new tech that dev's want like online or disc format then go almost out of their way to integrate them the following generations. Its partly why 3rd parties give Ninty the finger all the time, kinda odd isn't it considering they're the market leaders? Please...

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

Nintendo represents gaming in its PUREST form. They don't care for what others do. They do what Nintendo does. In the mind of Nintendo the world doesn't exist, only Nintendo. For better or for worse they will continue to walk their own path despite the many paths that others may take.

tomarlyn

and what would the others represent?

And yet they're number one in sales, so I guess the majority of others just don't care about the stuff you care about.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Arrogance won the generation, so who ended up being right?

Desperately trying to play catch up? Please. The only thing they flopped at this gen (and flopped hard) was online.

tomarlyn

I knew someone would throw out the generic sales comment. They always play down new tech that dev's want like online or disc format then go almost out of their way to integrate them the following generations. Its partly why 3rd parties give Ninty the finger all the time, kinda odd isn't it considering they're the market leaders? Please...

Explain what you mean by going out of the way. They wanted DVDs so they gave them DVDs. Online? Yeah they completely F'ed that up. Devs have the freedom to make online like CoD and The Conduit with Nintendo's permission.

If devs really wanted or needed this technology they could've easily found it on another platform.

opportunities in things that others don't. (i.e. creative thinking)KungfuKitten

Nonsense. Kids these days don't want innovation and value. They want the same thing over and over again and that is to pwn n00bs in teh Call of Dutyz.

JKJK...almost.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Arrogance won the generation, so who ended up being right?

Desperately trying to play catch up? Please. The only thing they flopped at this gen (and flopped hard) was online.

ChubbyGuy40

I knew someone would throw out the generic sales comment. They always play down new tech that dev's want like online or disc format then go almost out of their way to integrate them the following generations. Its partly why 3rd parties give Ninty the finger all the time, kinda odd isn't it considering they're the market leaders? Please...

Explain what you mean by going out of the way. They wanted DVDs so they gave them DVDs. Online? Yeah they completely F'ed that up. Devs have the freedom to make online like CoD and The Conduit with Nintendo's permission.

If devs really wanted or needed this technology they could've easily found it on another platform.

''blah blah blah, we don't need modern idea's like online or whatever'' ''Hey look we've got online multiplayer!!112''tomarlyn

The idea of online is pretty old. Anyone who wanted online would've gone straight to PC back in the 90s. Online isn't a necessity nor does it make games better.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]''blah blah blah, we don't need modern idea's like online or whatever'' ''Hey look we've got online multiplayer!!112''ChubbyGuy40

The idea of online is pretty old. Anyone who wanted online would've gone straight to PC back in the 90s. Online isn't a necessity nor does it make games better.

3d DS is close to PSP level. Unimpressive.

DerpyMcDerp

You know Gamespot has rules against alt accounts, ZarbonX.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]''blah blah blah, we don't need modern idea's like online or whatever'' ''Hey look we've got online multiplayer!!112''ChubbyGuy40

The idea of online is pretty old. Anyone who wanted online would've gone straight to PC back in the 90s. Online isn't a necessity nor does it make games better.

• ''Who needs discs when we have carts?'' Devs wanted discs. ''Hey look at our mini DVD's'' :roll:
• ''Online gaming isn't important'' Devs and gamers wanted online multiplayer
• ''Pffft why support high definition when nobody has a HDTV'' Everyone starts buying HDTV's

At least they're taking 3D seriously, maybe they have better advisors.

My point is they don't represent gaming in its ''purest form'' they're just arrogant.

Because the modern ideas of gaming today are not at all relevant to the games themselves. Nintedo does what they want, they either succeed on that whim or crash and burn BUT they always stay true to their design philospphy which is products that many people can enjoy and entertainment that is strictly directed at bro gamers i.e. this board. Hate it or not, that's reality.