Why is Sony the only one improving gameplay that is taxing on the console

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

*laughs* because gameplay is objectively measured right? and not subjective....

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

Please explain how they are doing this, I read the OP and you never once explained it, just stated it.soulitane

*laughs* because gameplay is objectively measured right? and not subjective....

WilliamRLBaker

Have you ever played on the pc, the pc games are pushing the gameplays, with tons of different new ways

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*laughs* because gameplay is objectively measured right? and not subjective....

momentum_god

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

Slashkice

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples

Separating the OP into distinct sentences would help, as would having a coherent argument. Also, Crysis had gameplay elements that were new and different from the majority of your military/scifi shooters at the time (mainly COD and Halo).

Of course, if this was a troll topic, disregard my post and have a cookie.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*laughs* because gameplay is objectively measured right? and not subjective....

WilliamRLBaker

Separating the OP into distinct sentences would help, as would having a coherent argument. Also, Crysis had gameplay elements that were new and different from the majority of your military/scifi shooters at the time (mainly COD and Halo).

Of course, if this was a troll topic, disregard my post and have a cookie.

rpgs_shall_rule

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

ActicEdge

Have you ever played on the pc, the pc games are pushing the gameplays, with tons of different new ways

James161324

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

momentum_god

lair was a horrible game and its AI on screen could be best described as card board cutouts that did much of nothing. they needed extra power to impliment a new combat system? *which wasn't actually new just had additions to the old for the most part* they needed extra processing to do move? *which is useless the controller still works best*

How bout you realize that hardware power doesn't make gameplay hardware particulars like controller and software elements created by the system maker and the developers imagination make better and newer gameplay. The 360 has a load of genres in gameplay represented looking at retail, xbla, indie releases its not like the ps3 is pushing the boundries like no other the truely unique stuff like *flower* seem to be more like Sony paid for games where they were trying to get every one to believe their shoe horned motion control six axis was a worthwhile investment instead of a developed in a months time grab at Nintendo hype so they got someone to make a game centered around that motion sensing.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

Have you ever played on the pc, the pc games are pushing the gameplays, with tons of different new ways

momentum_god

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

Separating the OP into distinct sentences would help, as would having a coherent argument. Also, Crysis had gameplay elements that were new and different from the majority of your military/scifi shooters at the time (mainly COD and Halo).

Of course, if this was a troll topic, disregard my post and have a cookie.

momentum_god

Fine, let's add SOCOM, Battlefield, and CSS there too...

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

momentum_god

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it (awesome but scripted, just like UC2)

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements (what is this, i dont even ... )

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did (Kameo a first gen 360 game had thousands of mobs on screen, as did Ninty nine nights, not sure if its the same as i avoided Lair like the plague)

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples. (more enemies on screen = advancing gameplay. Nope not seeing it, sorry)

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by some of these ?

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="James161324"]

Have you ever played on the pc, the pc games are pushing the gameplays, with tons of different new ways

soulitane

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] all of which are creative choices none of them push the hardware momentum_god

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

edo-tensei

Demon Souls is a) ugly and b) not hardware taxing at all.

Also, I've played a PS3 many many times.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] all of which are creative choices none of them push the hardware momentum_god

:lol:

Thats the best one yet, Real TimeStrategy games arent real time. :lol:

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

Snugenz

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it (awesome but scripted, just like UC2)

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements (what is this, i dont even ... )

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did (Kameo a first gen 360 game had thousands of mobs on screen, as did Ninty nine nights, not sure if its the same as i avoided Lair like the plague)

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples. (more enemies on screen = advancing gameplay. Nope not seeing it, sorry)

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by some of these ?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There is nothing hardware pushing about gameplay on PS3 games. None at all. Zero, Zilch and you are WRONG if you think otherwise.

ActicEdge

Demon Souls is a) ugly and b) not hardware taxing at all.

Also, I've played a PS3 many many times.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] all of which are creative choices none of them push the hardware momentum_god

What? It even says real time for it's name.:|

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] Killzone 3 over killzone 2, used the extra prossing power from the optimizations to add in move, 3D AND more importantly a new combat system push the jetpack levels (Halo Reach had plenty of new stuff aswell though i'll give you 3D and Move)

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it (awesome but scripted, just like UC2)

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements (what is this, i dont even ... )

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did (Kameo a first gen 360 game had thousands of mobs on screen, as did Ninty nine nights, not sure if its the same as i avoided Lair like the plague)

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples. (more enemies on screen = advancing gameplay. Nope not seeing it, sorry)

momentum_god

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by some of these ?

How much more processing power did KZ3 use then? And yes the destruction is scripted in UC3, though yes the scripted events will be triggered by the player.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"]

About your example of many enemies on screen, have you seen the total war games? That pushed the hardware considering it can have up to 50,000 (I think) troops on the battlefield.mitu123

What? It even says real time for it's name.:|

sig worthy for sure.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"] About your example of many enemies on screen, have you seen the total war games? That pushed the hardware considering it can have up to 50,000 (I think) troops on the battlefield.Snugenz

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] rts are not real time, it's one AI that controls a bunch of troops not tons of advanced AI that have to react to you and each othertempest91

What? It even says real time for it's name.:|

sig worthy for sure.

Indeed, actually now that i read into it more and follow the quotes, i think the TC is saying Lair>Shogun Total War. :lol:

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] You've obiously never played a ps3 before. Demon's souls exists for a reason.

edo-tensei

Demon Souls is a) ugly and b) not hardware taxing at all.

Also, I've played a PS3 many many times.

Because the thread was on using hardware to push gameplay forward. Demon souls is ugly so it certainly isn't taxing the PS3 and the actual gameplay and conbat is also simple. Its comparable to MH which also is not a taxing game.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"] About your example of many enemies on screen, have you seen the total war games? That pushed the hardware considering it can have up to 50,000 (I think) troops on the battlefield.mitu123

What? It even says real time for it's name.:|

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Demon Souls is a) ugly and b) not hardware taxing at all.

Also, I've played a PS3 many many times.

ActicEdge

Because the thread was on using hardware to push gameplay forward. Demon souls is ugly so it certainly isn't taxing the PS3 and the actual gameplay and conbat is also simple. Its comparable to MH which also is not a taxing game.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Can you clarify exactly what you mean by some of these ?

Snugenz

How much more processing power did KZ3 use then? And yes the destruction is scripted in UC3, though yes the scripted events will be triggered by the player.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] rts are not real time, it's one AI that controls a bunch of troops not tons of advanced AI that have to react to you and each othermomentum_god

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

As for the AI part, they can do more than just fight on many games.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

mitu123

As for the AI part, they can do more than just fight on many games.

Also, refer to my last post.

Anyways, to put it into perspective, each of the possible 56k units on a battlefield is it's own entity, complete with AI, physics, etc. Let's see your beloved Infamous 2 and its what, 10 active enemies be able to match that.rpgs_shall_rule

Anyways, to put it into perspective, each of the possible 56k units on a battlefield is it's own entity, complete with AI, physics, etc. Let's see your beloved Infamous 2 and its what, 10 active enemies be able to match that.rpgs_shall_rule

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] What do visuals have to do with pushing gameplay foward?

edo-tensei

Because the thread was on using hardware to push gameplay forward. Demon souls is ugly so it certainly isn't taxing the PS3 and the actual gameplay and conbat is also simple. Its comparable to MH which also is not a taxing game.

I don't know, something like Crysis, Red Faction Guerilla or Battlefield with their destructible environments might be up there. But I agree that in general, gameplay is not what is going to be taxing on a system.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

mitu123

As for the AI part, they can do more than just fight on many games.