Why is Sony the only one improving gameplay that is taxing on the console

imho the only games that trully deserve gameplay award for originality and perfection are super mario galaxy and bayonetta. everything else we saw before.

also the best remake ive seen this gen is prince of persia classic

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

Oh.My.God. The things I´ve seen about RTS´s in this thread unfortunatedly cannot be unseen...

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Maybe because they don't want to.=p But they still can and will help for the immersionfactor. Though it's obviously all in the programming as they focus on other aspects like pathfinding, I say later in the gen and maybe next it'll be more common. Hell, not every game does that even this gen BTW.

mitu123

WTF did I just read? If that wasn't some serious Sony propaganda I don't know what is.

So, you only own a PS3 and feel like claiming that the Wii, 360 and PC can't improve gameplay?

Bro, the single best example of gameplay improvement in its purest form is Super Mario Galaxy (1 or 2, take your pick).

Console power has nothing to do with it, gameplay is subjective. Different people are entertained by different games.

Fact- PC devs are the most creative bunch out of all devs.

WTF did I just read? If that wasn't some serious Sony propaganda I don't know what is.

So, you only own a PS3 and feel like claiming that the Wii, 360 and PC can't improve gameplay?

Bro, the single best example of gameplay improvement in its purest form is Super Mario Galaxy (1 or 2, take your pick).

Console power has nothing to do with it, gameplay is subjective. Different people are entertained by different games.

Fact- PC devs are the most creative bunch out of all devs.

NeonNinja

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

WTF did I just read? If that wasn't some serious Sony propaganda I don't know what is.

So, you only own a PS3 and feel like claiming that the Wii, 360 and PC can't improve gameplay?

Bro, the single best example of gameplay improvement in its purest form is Super Mario Galaxy (1 or 2, take your pick).

Console power has nothing to do with it, gameplay is subjective. Different people are entertained by different games.

Fact- PC devs are the most creative bunch out of all devs.

momentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

WTF did I just read? If that wasn't some serious Sony propaganda I don't know what is.

So, you only own a PS3 and feel like claiming that the Wii, 360 and PC can't improve gameplay?

Bro, the single best example of gameplay improvement in its purest form is Super Mario Galaxy (1 or 2, take your pick).

Console power has nothing to do with it, gameplay is subjective. Different people are entertained by different games.

Fact- PC devs are the most creative bunch out of all devs.

locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] improved gameplay through pushing hardware, honestly atleast read all of the title

momentum_god

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="locopatho"] So how aren't Halo Reach, Total War, or Boom Blox pushing hardware?locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] not by gameplay nomomentum_god

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] improved gameplay through pushing hardware, honestly atleast read all of the titlemomentum_god

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="momentum_god"] rts are not real time, it's one AI that controls a bunch of troops not tons of advanced AI that have to react to you and each othermomentum_god

Real time strategy games are not in real time?

:shock: :o :lol:

You never ever in your life played a single RTS, right?

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="locopatho"] So how aren't Halo Reach, Total War, or Boom Blox pushing hardware?delta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] not by gameplay noWilliamRLBaker

he reminds me of someone......just can't put my finger on it....YETdelta3074

I won't get into that don't wanna get modded but it comes down to a simple fact he makes a statement then if you give examples on other systems of that statement then he maintains they don't tax the hardware some how...

[QUOTE="delta3074"]he reminds me of someone......just can't put my finger on it....YETWilliamRLBaker

I won't get into that don't wanna get modded but it comes down to a simple fact he makes a statement then if you give examples on other systems of that statement then he maintains they don't tax the hardware some how...

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] You've obiously never played a ps3 before. Demon's souls exists for a reason.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] Demon's souls could never be done on any other system right? :roll:

WilliamRLBaker

the tc apears to hold the ps3 as some sort of uber machine. ha!

get a decent pc and stop spouting bullsh**T

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="locopatho"] What do you mean, not by gameplay? If Total War has literally tens of thousands of individual troops fighting that is factually gameplay pushing the hardware.

locopatho

Last time I checked, PS3 is like almost every single console ever. They just give you a little more of the same thing and then the hype and advertising do the rest.

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

I hear what you are trying to get across. The Last Guardian is the perfect example. It blends gorgeous visuals with unique ai/play mechanics. I'm also a fan of the 3D games. Overall there's a more satisfying arc to the games released on the ps3, from launch up until now.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] all of which are creative choices none of them push the hardware momentum_god

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] all of which are creative choices none of them push the hardware momentum_god

Oh God, not even StarCraft 2, a game with much less units than Total War, fits into your weird and twisted description of an RTS.

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

Lolwut.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hardware has nothing to do with gameplay. In fact, the most complex games were the D&D RPGs that needed various pages of spreadsheets for the player to even begin to understand anything about stats.

Also, explain how "PC devs don't even make an effort". When you can play a game like Starcraft 2, WoW or Shogun 2 on consoles then you can talk.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

N30F3N1X

Lolwut.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hardware has nothing to do with gameplay. In fact, the most complex games were the D&D RPGs that needed various pages of spreadsheets for the player to even begin to understand anything about stats.

Also, explain how "PC devs don't even make an effort". When you can play a game like Starcraft 2, WoW or Shogun 2 on consoles then you can talk.

So how does the ps3's "gameplay" do anything different ?Sp4rtan_3

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]So how does the ps3's "gameplay" do anything different ?Deadbeatcobra

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="soulitane"] About your example of many enemies on screen, have you seen the total war games? That pushed the hardware considering it can have up to 50,000 (I think) troops on the battlefield.Deadbeatcobra

You say PC devs don't make an effort yet Crysis, a PC exclusive, couldn't even be done on consoles yet Crysis 2 was, I wonder why...

You say PC devs don't make an effort yet Crysis, a PC exclusive, couldn't even be done on consoles yet Crysis 2 was, I wonder why...

mitu123

You're backing up his point, aren't you?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

You say PC devs don't make an effort yet Crysis, a PC exclusive, couldn't even be done on consoles yet Crysis 2 was, I wonder why...

Heirren

You're backing up his point, aren't you?

Really TC? Then why does the PC version of Dragon Age: Origins offer more onscreen enemies than either of the console versions (mainly your PS3 version)? You say that the other platforms don't do this yet I just showed a multiplat game that has many more enemies on screen for PC.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

You say PC devs don't make an effort yet Crysis, a PC exclusive, couldn't even be done on consoles yet Crysis 2 was, I wonder why...

mitu123

You're backing up his point, aren't you?

As far as PC devs not making an effort, he's kind of right. Just look at the amount of games that were once complex pc games, and are now catered to the gamepad.

As far as PC devs not making an effort, he's kind of right. Just look at the amount of games that were once complex pc games, and are now catered to the gamepad.

Heirren

Like Starcraft 2 and WoW, right? Games that would need six hands and three gamepads to be played on a console.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"][QUOTE="locopatho"] What do you mean, not by gameplay? If Total War has literally tens of thousands of individual troops fighting that is factually gameplay pushing the hardware.

locopatho

The problem is that it's not a form of gameplay thats taxing. Each of those little troops is made up of polygons and textures which eat up memory, graphics processing and a bit of CPU power. So in the end it's really graphics power thats being used, and my Dragon Age example proves this that the more enemies is allowed by better hardware and I don't really consider it in the gameplay department.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

momentum_god

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

As far as PC devs not making an effort, he's kind of right. Just look at the amount of games that were once complex pc games, and are now catered to the gamepad.

N30F3N1X

Like Starcraft 2 and WoW, right? Games that would need six hands and three gamepads to be played on a console.

Obviously there are exceptions, but let's be realistic, a lot of pc games have gone down the console route.

[QUOTE="momentum_god"]

[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

This is the kind of thread where examples would help. You're wrong either way though.

Sandvichman

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

I know 90% of you won't read past the title but I'll try to explain for the 10% that will, better hardware means more potential in gameplay and in graphics, now the wii is tapped out, 360 is debaitable and pc isn't even close, yet Sony on the ps3 are the only ones pushing the hardware advantages in gameplay, every round of exclusives is better gameplay wise then the last adding more and more elements, multiplat devs do improve the gameplay but not through means of pushing the hardware not lately just creative deceisions (for lack of a better term) and pc devs don't even make an effort, as for MS I doubt their devs would be capable regardless of their system was maxed out or not, I know people are shiny graphics focused but still it really sucks when people say that crysis is the most advanced game when it has such dated gameplay machinics technically speaking no matter how shiny it is I want better gameplay not shinier dirt

momentum_god

If you mean by making all games short, super scripted and heavily linear then yes the PS3 is improving gameplay with it's "powerful" hardware. Even all multiplatform games are taking this approach to development since they're mostly lead on PS3 now.

And yes, this post is sarcasm.

How do your multiplayer games play right now? Is the new and improved PSN working out? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't improve something that no longer exists.

Too bad we can't all say the same thing for the entire PS3 experince so developers could get back to not holding back on multiplatform games because of PS3 development and having to make games around that hardware and taking the same approach as exclusives and being designed like on-rails games.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="momentum_god"] Killzone 3 over killzone 2, used the extra prossing power from the optimizations to add in move, 3D AND more importantly a new combat system push the jetpack levels

Uncharted 3 is going to have destructible environments, and a ton of other stuff I would point out if I read up more on it

Infamous 2 faster gameplay, flows better expecting more improvements

Lair had hundreds of AI on screen at once both friendly and foe and they had to interact with each other and react to everything you did

God of War 3 supported more enemies on screen at once thats about it for obvious examples

mitu123

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

WTF did I just read? If that wasn't some serious Sony propaganda I don't know what is.

So, you only own a PS3 and feel like claiming that the Wii, 360 and PC can't improve gameplay?

Bro, the single best example of gameplay improvement in its purest form is Super Mario Galaxy (1 or 2, take your pick).

Console power has nothing to do with it, gameplay is subjective. Different people are entertained by different games.

Fact- PC devs are the most creative bunch out of all devs.

momentum_god

Read the title.

Read the full post.

Don't insult my intelligence. You gave no examples of what you are trying to convey.