Why is Sony the only one still putting out challenging exclusives?

Couldn't be further from the truth. From those you've mentioned: Sony has an exclusivity deal with Activision for COD and Destiny BECAUSE they have huge playerbases there so they want to please them, BF 1 is a top selling title on PS for a few months now and Halo and Gears aren't available on their platform so they can't play them(otherwise they would). As for the Souls series only Bloodborne and Demon Souls are exclusive, everything else is multi platform. Just beacsue they have 2-3 such games(which are not first party anyway) doesn't mean their fanbase likes challenging games. On the contrary i would add that they like games with high production values in terms of visuals and cinematics but with standard gameplay a la Uncharted and TLOU. I just hope Horizon will stir away from that cliche and be a change of pace for Sony as far as gameplay is concerned.

Nintendo also has challenging exclusives. Xbone on the other hand is lacking due to the fact that when lems see a Souls game they cower in fear and then run to play Halo to feel good about themselves.

I hear the "i don't have the patience for X game" a lot. Mostly coming from the X1 owners. Lems are too lazy to improve in a hobby they like. That's the secret sauce.

Because Sony is the best.

@charizard1605: Yes they do? I'm not sure what you're aiming at, there is clearly something going on between koei tecmo and Sony with nioh.

@knightofastora:

Koei Tecmo are producing exclusive titles for both Sony and Nintendo platforms.

@jumpaction: Yes I understand that, my point was that Sony deserve a praise for backing up projects such as nioh and bloodborne (I also don't believe nioh is a full exclusive title, will probably release later on pc, I could be wrong though).

@knightofastora:

Yeah, of course they do. Though I think all three deserve praise for backing the projects that they have exclusive to their systems.

@jumpaction: That is true, the thread is about hard games though (or souls like games to be precise) :P

Nintendo:

• Fire Emblem Conquest
• Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
• Bayonetta 2

Why dont handheld count?

Aside from Sony's offerings, it is apparently a genre left in the past.

Only Sony? Even if we were to discount the Nintendo titles listed above.How about PC gaming?

@knightofastora:

I believe there are still challenging games (not Souls-like titles though) on other platforms - both first and third party.

For example, The Wonderful 101 has a very deep combat system that is a real challenge to master. This is a very good video which highlights some of the complexities of the combat system (going as far as to withhold information about the mechanics so as not to spoil the techniques required to improve in them).

True. I found Demon's Souls to be insultingly easy. I kid you not when I say I had more trouble with Super Mario Galaxy or Pokemon than I did with the souls games. Partially this is due to how the game reused the same enemy in an entire world, so by the end if the part, you already knew how to counter every enemy so good luck taking hits afterwards. Hell, I didnt even die in my second playthrough of Demon's Souls, since I knew how every enemy would move.

@jumpaction: I'm sure there are hard games on every platform but I believe the op was specifically talking about souls like games as I said, I have no info on the wonderful 101 so I don't know if the game is challenging even though combat is hard to master, I'll take your word on it.

@knightofastora:

Souls-like games are a very specific type of game. That style was exclusive to FromSoftware until Nioh took inspiration from it, so I don't blame Microsoft and Nintendo for not obtaining Souls-like games also. :)

@jumpaction: Certainly, don't think anyone is blaming them.

@RedAlert539: every game will sell better on playstation, the playerbase is double of Xbox, Sony doesn't have any first party fps exclusives anymore so that's why they have made exclusive deals with activision/bungie.

Also how can you claim that the fanbase doesn't like souls like games when these games originated from playstation? Bloodborne was also a hit commercially so I don't understand your claims.

I never said that they DON'T like them, just that because PS has a few more Souls style exclusives doesn't make PS players challenge-mode enthusiasts by default. Or that because Xbox has first party shooters all Xbox players are "dudebros'. All the platforms have gamers and all these gamers have 1 thing in common: they like games in general, regarless of platform.

P.S. Ofc when i'm saying "gamers" i mean the serious ones who genuinely like video games as a hobby and not the usual trolls that lurk around these forums and similar other media.

He sees what he wishes to see.

Challenging games? Where?

@sts106mat: do you have anything to add other than attacking others?

@redalert539: "Just because they have 2-3 such games doesn't mean ps players like challenging games" <----Err?

Games like these got enough support from ps players to make them successful so there is clearly a fanbase there, that's all what I was saying.

They're a challenge alright, a challenge to play more than 15 minutes before deciding to quit and may as well watch a Real movie not some lame movie game. :P

Didnt sony pay for the rights to have cod/destiny dlc before everyone else?

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@silversix_: let me fix it for you....Lems play Xbox to socialize and play with people online. Cows hunker down and play alone and are antisocial, they need to game to be difficult so they don't beat it in 3-4 hours and feel ripped off. Cows still on the old NES way of playing games....make it hard so it seems longer and more fulfilling. ?

I did, Bayonetta has difficulty settings, same as most games that aren't challenging mechanically but through lazy changes like increasing/decreasing health, damage output from enemies. Mario3D World is not challenging whatsoever, Donkey Kong TF is the only challenging game from those that you mentioned.

This dude serious?! I think the item on Bayonetta is called "gaze of despair" which puts all enemies in a rage constantly.

Put that on and notch it up to hardest settings.

Wonderful 101 too is challenging game.

@sts106mat: You're clearly not understanding my "logic" if that's what you came up with.

Sony's greatest challenging game:

people lie, numbers don't. You can't "think" a fact is different. it's like me pulling out a thermometer and saying it's 80 degrees outside and you say I don't think it's 80, feels like 60 to me.

not really. since trying to reason with you is 100 times harder then dark souls ;)

Look, you do not know why people purchased the PS4 period. Maybe the exclusive that they wanted haven't come out yet or the one they wanted got a very low score. I purchased an X1 hoping to get Scalebound, so there you go. To hell with your misleading numbers. Your opinion is your opinion and my opinion is my opinion. Good day sir or ma'am.

LMAO

I don't know man, Gears, Halo are insanely hard on their highest difficulties.

@Pedro said:

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

Didn't those games sold the most on the PS4?

December 2016 Top 10 PS4 Games

1. Final Fantasy XV
2. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
3. Battlefield 1
4. Watch Dogs 2
5. NBA 2K17
6. Madden NFL 17
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. FIFA 17
9. The Last Guardian*
10. Titanfall 2

Didn't all those games release a month prior?

You new to how the market works?

It's like it's opposite day, so they post this thread.

so your example of you only who made a poor decision buying a console for a game that isn't out yet = 60 million in sales? you think that someone purchased a PS4 just for a sony exclusive that isn't out yet? They already released their biggest one in uncharted 4. clearly 92% of PS4 owners didn't give 2 craps about it enough to buy it. but they have no issues buying fifa and CoD every year.

I did the same thing, I purchased a PS4 thinking it would have some great games, boy was I wrong.

which is why a sample size of a few is meaningless when there is roughly 60 million PS4s out there and 30 million XB1s out there. All you need to do is look at the games selling. it tells you everything. sight unseen i would easily know that the PS4 is outselling the XB1 in EU because it has 3 FIFA games in the top 10 selling games and XB1 has 0 FIFA game sin the top 10. FIFA only sells good in EU.

The numbers don't lie. the PS4 sales were based on price point and power. and i'm sure it helped that people didn't like the MS DRM reveal as well. then after it got steam people would buy what their friends have and so on. Friends, price, power, those thigns are moving consoles. exclusives not so much. especially when on average both systems are getting 300 games released a year. there is more then enough to play on both. Only a few vocal minority like myself own both consoles.